Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar election

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 15:43 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: ais523 wrote: I took on Registrar because nobody else seemed to want it, but I'm not too attached to it really. It's not even as if I get anything for doing it (as both Notary and Mad Scientist earn me the same pitch of note). Apart

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar election

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 17:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: I actually considered nominating myself when I saw the options, but I'd have to wait for the current election to end. Besides, the Monster might actually make an interesting Registrar. Would the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Accountor] Asset Report

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:26 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LIST OF ASSETS (organized by backing document / recordkeepor) CoE: this list omits chaos (a currency) and the Sacred Chao (a fixed asset). (Rule 2181 requires a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Accountor] Asset Report

2008-10-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:57 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 09:26 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LIST OF ASSETS (organized by backing document / recordkeepor) CoE: this list omits chaos (a

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Ain't gonna pass

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 23:17 -0400, ihope wrote: I submit a proposal, adoption index 1 and title Genocide I: Remove all instances of a letter H in all power-1 rules and titles of said rules. I strongly recommend all Agorans to avoid all use of H in future messages except if necessary.

DIS: Re: BUS: One of those CFJ things

2008-10-15 Thread comex
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:54 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further arguments: this is an obviously NetHack-themed pledge which attempts to redefine 'ascend', possibly to scam ihope out of an equation. Seems to me that the type of ascension defined by that contract is quite a bit harder

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

2008-10-15 Thread Elliott Hird
On 15 Oct 2008, at 15:13, ais523 wrote: I join the PBA. I PBA-deposit an 8 crop. I PBA-withdraw a 4 crop. (Yay, the PBA's first actual crop trade, as opposed to mere deposits!) -- ais523 You now have a 4 crop, and the PBA has none. The PBA now has an 8 crop. You have no coins. All

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: One of those CFJ things

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 10:15 -0400, comex wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:54 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further arguments: this is an obviously NetHack-themed pledge which attempts to redefine 'ascend', possibly to scam ihope out of an equation. Seems to me that the type of

DIS: Re: BUS: The People's Bank of Agora -- like the RBoA, only communist!

2008-10-15 Thread Elliott Hird
On 15 Oct 2008, at 01:13, Charles Reiss wrote: This time, hopefully with effect: I PBA-deposit a 0 crop. I PBA-deposit a 4 crop. -woggle All works out nicely. You have 26 coins. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-15 Thread Elliott Hird
On 15 Oct 2008, at 15:29, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I join the People's Bank. I PBA-deposit two 0 crops. I PBA-withdraw an 8 crop. --Wooble You now have 10 coins and an 8 crop. 0 crop rate = 11, qty = 3 8 crop rate = 14, qty = 0 -- ehird

DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 20:09 -0400, ihope wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report Date of this Report: Thu 9 Oct 2008 Date of last Report: Fri 3 Oct

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ihope
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:42 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 20:09 -0400, ihope wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report Date

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 11:10 -0400, ihope wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:42 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 20:09 -0400, ihope wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-10-15 Thread ihope
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:09 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without objection, I intend to ratify the excerpted report. Without objection, I ratify the excerpted report. CoE: you might not have been a player when

DIS: Re: BUS: Tougher ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 08:26 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: I submit the following proposal, Toughen Ratifiation, AI-3: -- [Ratification has been the source of scams lately. Too much traffic to check all reports well. Thus,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Tougher ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 11:34 -0400, ihope wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you should probably also make ratification self-ratifying; that is, ratifications self-ratify as having worked. Otherwise, we could end up in meta-ratification mixups...

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Tougher ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ihope
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:29 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you should probably also make ratification self-ratifying; that is, ratifications self-ratify as having worked. Otherwise, we could end up in meta-ratification mixups... It would be weird if all self-ratifications were

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:12 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just ratified oklopol as a player, the Monster as a player, and Zefram as on hold. The important thing is that I ratified myself as a player. Wow, I missed that one altogether. A nice trivial scam... Is it even possible

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 10:35 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:12 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just ratified oklopol as a player, the Monster as a player, and Zefram as on hold. The important thing is that I ratified myself as a player. Wow, I missed that

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:12 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just ratified oklopol as a player, the Monster as a player, and Zefram as on hold. The important thing is that I ratified myself as a player. Wow, I

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 10:35 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:12 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just ratified oklopol as a player, the Monster as a player, and Zefram as on hold. The important thing is that I ratified myself as a player. Wow, I missed that

DIS: Re: BUS: Forum-swapping, but overtly this time

2008-10-15 Thread Elliott Hird
On 15 Oct 2008, at 15:05, ais523 wrote: I intend, without objection, to make the IRC channel ##nomic on the IRC server irc://irc.freenode.net:6667 a Discussion Forum. I proto-object. I don't think ##nomic should be tied to anything - it's an unofficial, non-partisian service. -- ehird

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think R101's relevant here when a contract isn't involved (one was in the case of CFJ 1856). It would, probably, prevent me ratifying the IIB as a player, as its personness is in doubt for contract-law-related reasons.

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 10:44 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think R101's relevant here when a contract isn't involved (one was in the case of CFJ 1856). It would, probably, prevent me ratifying the IIB as a player, as its

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar election

2008-10-15 Thread comex
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:52 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Mad Scientist would be required to act on behalf of the Monster to publish on time (publishing a report is something the Monster SHALL do if it's an officeholdor). There isn't an obvious Monsterkeepor, although we

DIS: Re: BUS: Tougher ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: Append the following sentence to R2202: A player SHALL NOT ratify nor support the ratification of a report e knows to be false. This criminalizes ratification to patch over errors that no one is much interested in fixing another way. In such cases, the defendant

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Registrar election

2008-10-15 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:52 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Mad Scientist would be required to act on behalf of the Monster to publish on time (publishing a report is something the Monster SHALL do if it's an officeholdor). There isn't an obvious Monsterkeepor,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Tougher ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goethe wrote: Append the following sentence to R2202: A player SHALL NOT ratify nor support the ratification of a report e knows to be false. This criminalizes ratification to patch over errors that no one is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Organization Chart

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 14:59 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I intend, without objection, to ratify the portion of this report purporting to list the current holders of offices (so that when the Monster elections are resolved, throwing the game into an ugly split state depending on whether it's a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:26 AM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 8:09 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without objection, I intend to ratify the excerpted report. Without objection, I ratify the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should also pragmatise ratification, making it any person who can ratify rather than any player. FOR -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-10-15 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:30 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe we should also pragmatise ratification, making it any person who can ratify rather than any player. FOR Of course, the natural next crisis from here is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] resolving Mad Scientist election

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 15:40 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:05 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I act on behalf of the Monster to deputise for the IADoP to resolve the Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Mad Scientist option as follows: CoE: there is no

DIS: Re: BUS: Does this work?

2008-10-15 Thread ais523
On Wed, 2008-10-15 at 16:16 -0400, ihope wrote: I object to everything I can object to. I support everything I can support. Please, retract those objections and supports. It makes things (like the AAA contract changes) much harder to work out. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Tougher ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goethe wrote: Append the following sentence to R2202: A player SHALL NOT ratify nor support the ratification of a report e knows to be false. This criminalizes ratification

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:39 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think R101's relevant here when a contract isn't involved (one was in the case of CFJ 1856). It would, probably, prevent me ratifying the IIB as a player, as its personness is in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Tougher ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Pavitra
On Wednesday 15 October 2008 07:18:58 pm Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: Append the following sentence to R2202: A player SHALL NOT ratify nor support the ratification of a report e knows to

Re: DIS: The effects of ratification

2008-10-15 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 20:09 -0400, ihope wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:18 PM, ihope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:26 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report Date of this Report: Thu 9 Oct 2008 Date of last Report: