Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Distributability is a mess and has significantly removed the attractiveness of submitting proposals. It is an oversolution to the problem of bad proposals getting into the system. Seems to be working fine to me. Just because things used to be Free

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: Hence REASSIGN. I'm much more inclined to jump straight to reassign for merely token efforts, especially for those with histories of token efforts. It will happen more. I think a bigger issue is the Callers, actually; standards of evidence and case preparation are way

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No More Distributability

2009-06-15 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/15 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I transfer one prop from myself to CotC Murphy for not getting all my ducks in a row before the CFJ: Another gratuitous argument on my most recent CFJ: There was indeed

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No More Distributability

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Note to Conductor: this probably means that my attempt to spend 3 notes to make this undistributable failed. What intent is e talking about here? As far as I can see, the proposal was published, made

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No More Distributability

2009-06-15 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/15 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Note to Conductor: this probably means that my attempt to spend 3 notes to make this undistributable failed. What intent is e talking about here? As far as I can

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree. Switching to REASSIGN doesn't deny salary, it just prevents excess salary from being earned. The judge still gets salary for judgments like TRUE because pigs were on an airplane or FALSE because. Heck, you still get

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree. Switching to REASSIGN doesn't deny salary, it just prevents excess salary from being earned. The judge still gets salary for judgments like

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No More Distributability

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I can see, the flips I covered in my previous post are all that matters. Between the time it was published and the time it was made undistributable, it was made distributable at least once, through

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread comex
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Distributability is a mess and has significantly removed the attractiveness of submitting proposals. It is an oversolution to the problem of bad proposals getting into the system. Distributability has been around for a few

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread comex
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Harder on bad judges (II=1, AI=1.7, please) {     Amend rule 911 (Appeal Cases) by appending the following paragraph:    If an appeals panel delivers a judgement other than AFFIRM, it CAN destroy     any

Re: DIS: Do card specialty decks?

2009-06-15 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 01:42, Benjamin Caplancelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: Result: strategy, more cards can be defined with probabilities a mix of choice and random. What do you think, worth the complication with it getting as cross-matrixed as notes but associated

Re: DIS: Card gameplay balance

2009-06-15 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 16:41, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote:                        + 1 * II per adopted proposal Recommend +1 * II for highest II among adopted proposals per week. Otherwise heavy proposers will severely outbalance those of use who rarely propose. (Frequency) is

Re: DIS: Do card specialty decks?

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Roger Hickspidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 01:42, Benjamin Caplancelestialcognit...@gmail.com wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: Result: strategy, more cards can be defined with probabilities a mix of choice and random. What do you think, worth the

Re: DIS: Do card specialty decks?

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: A card that allows you (with certain restrictions) to add a new card to the deck. I had the same thought: the Blank White Card. Maybe you can set its effects without N objections and then add it to the deck as a new

DIS: Running nomic at a con

2009-06-15 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
(Sorry about posting this here, but I couldn't find any active nomic forum.) I'm going to a gaming con in Sweden later this summer, and the theme of the con is that it's going to declare itself a republic. There will be some kind of LARP going on throughout the weekend about supporting one of

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Sun, 2009-06-14 at 21:23 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: The punishments for breaking rules are not only disproportionate to the penalties, but also completely out of proportion in general. Example: As Tailor, I could publish No one has any Ribbons. as my report. This would, if left undoubted,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 21:22 +0900, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: More radically, I agree that Rests should go, or at the very least, be reduced in scope. I think the game would be more interesting if each crime had its own equity-style punishment. Making My Eyes Bleed, for example, could require

Re: DIS: Running nomic at a con

2009-06-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:20 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: Since it's a republic, I toyed with the idea of making every vote open to all the people - the entire con - and let the players ('Senators' or 'Politicians') gather supporters who just come and vote (only works if it's a fairly long

Re: DIS: Running nomic at a con

2009-06-15 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/15 Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:20 +0200, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: Since it's a republic, I toyed with the idea of making every vote open to all the people - the entire con - and let the players ('Senators' or 'Politicians') gather supporters who just come and

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Elliott Hird
I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty sure defacing coins is. On 2009-06-15, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: So having tried that one before, I think the right answer is just to convince appeals courts to be more ready to REASSIGN instead of REMAND in

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2009-06-15 at 17:30 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty sure defacing coins is. Some of those laws are sensible (such as anti-counterfeit); others are holdovers from ages ago that nobody could be bothered to repeal. (There's an

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty sure defacing coins is. I'm pretty sure forging banknotes is illegal just about everywhere. In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Aaron Goldfein
In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins, as long as you're not doing anything fraudulent. I think it's not, but not because you're insulting the image of the person featured on the coin, but because you're stealing some of the metal.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread comex
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins, as long as you're not doing anything fraudulent. I think it's not, but not because you're insulting the image of the person featured on the coin, but because you're

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:25 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: In the US, it's perfectly legal to deface coins, as long as you're not doing anything fraudulent. I think it's not, but not because you're insulting

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Janitor Election

2009-06-15 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate an Agoran decision to decide the holder of the Janitor office. The eligible voters are the active players, the vote collector

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Janitor Election

2009-06-15 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Quazie has not performed his duties as Janitor for two consecutive weeks (and he only has performed them once). Yes. That's exactly why I voted for em.

Re: DIS: Running nomic at a con

2009-06-15 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: (Sorry about posting this here, but I couldn't find any active nomic forum.) I'm going to a gaming con in Sweden later this summer, and the theme of the con is that it's going to declare itself a republic. There will be some kind of LARP going on throughout the weekend

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I disagree. Switching to REASSIGN doesn't deny salary, it just prevents excess salary from being earned. The judge still gets salary for judgments like TRUE because pigs were on an airplane or FALSE because. Heck, you still get salary for UNDETERMINED because I'm too

Re: DIS: Running nomic at a con

2009-06-15 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/15 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: (Sorry about posting this here, but I couldn't find any active nomic forum.) I'm going to a gaming con in Sweden later this summer, and the theme of the con is that it's going to declare itself a republic. There

DIS: Re: BUS: Activity, Please

2009-06-15 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/15 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: I intend, without objection, to make Siege inactive. I pledge that if Siege objects to the above intent, I will submit a proposals that has the effect of making Siege inactive. I support. -- -Tiger

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Creative Offices

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Marek-Spartz
  The Janitor is a creative office;   The Anarchist is a creative office; They both seem destructive rather than creative... Perhaps creative destruction.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: I believe merely forging banknotes is illegal in the UK. I'm pretty sure defacing coins is. When I thought of this, I assumed nobody would be good enough at it for it to count as a forgery. It's more of a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Janitor Election

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:52 AM, C-walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: I pledge to vote for the player who submits the best (in my opinion) Janitor-style proposal in the next six days. Hint: there is a spelling error in a sentence dealing with Rests.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Creative Offices

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Kyle Marek-Spartzzeckal...@gmail.com wrote:   The Janitor is a creative office;   The Anarchist is a creative office; They both seem destructive rather than creative... Perhaps creative destruction. The Anarchist is creative used correctly. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Distributability

2009-06-15 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Aaron Goldfeinaarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I used II=2 because I thought it would be a controversial change. Controversy != complexity. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

DIS: Criminal protoproto

2009-06-15 Thread Sean Hunt
Okay, so I've thought about how to deal with crimes, and I propose the following solutions: - Rules can define crimes, but do not define their class. Violation of a given rule is an implicit crime; the rule can define separate ones as a means of giving them creative names or - The

Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Kerim Aydin wrote: So having tried that one before, I think the right answer is just to convince appeals courts to be more ready to REASSIGN instead of REMAND in lazy cases; loss of salary plus loss of judicial rank would do fine if that happened; it's

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I think the game would be more interesting if each crime had its own equity-style punishment. HahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha. I like you. -G.

DIS: w/o prejudice proto

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
Proto (outline only): A judge can DISMISS a case without prejudice if e feels that the statement is poorly worded for the question the caller is hoping to answer, or if the caller provided a lack of reasonable effort in presenting the arguments or evidence for eir case. The

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I think the game would be more interesting if each crime had its own equity-style punishment. HahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha.  I like you.  -G. Thanks! Does this

DIS: Re: BUS: An action

2009-06-15 Thread Craig Daniel
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: I agree to the mid central lax unrounded vowel contract. I believe there are still two, although your having quoted one likely causes it to be unambiguously the one you joined.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Elliott Hird
Equity grows teeth; fake teeth. (ancient Agoran proverb) On 2009-06-16, Paul VanKoughnett allisp...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I think the game would be more interesting if each

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: An action

2009-06-15 Thread Warrigal
2009/6/15 Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: I agree to the mid central lax unrounded vowel contract. I believe there are still two, although your having quoted one likely causes it to be unambiguously the one you

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: With Notes leaving, so should Rests

2009-06-15 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 15 Jun 2009, Paul VanKoughnett wrote: I think the game would be more interesting if each crime had its own equity-style punishment.

DIS: Re: BUS: An action

2009-06-15 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Warrigalihope12...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/6/15 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: I agree to the U+0259 quoted. I intend, without objection from any party to U+0259, to act on behalf of U+0259 to intend to register. Can this be resolved after 24 hours? Just in