DIS: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

2020-06-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
Archived at https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reportor/tree/master/weekly_summaries Report for the week of 2020-06-08..14: # Summary nch's long-awaited Sets economy was adopted this week, and we've already seen three contracts for moving Cards and Products around (one of which has been revealed to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minor cleaning

2020-06-18 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
never mind, cant read. rest of argument still stands on ordinary meaning of attempt in a criminal context. new common sense arguments: rules tend to think intending anything you want is okay and criminalizing formal intent is bad, see the No Faking rule (exempting intent) On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minor cleaning

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 8:02 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > Merely thinking and planning to commit murder isn't attempted murder, the > acts carried out have to be "more than merely preparatory" (under English > law). The same applies to this analogous crime, merely preparing to take > the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Non-fee based mechanisms for fee-based actions

2020-06-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 03:32, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/18/20 11:29 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > What would the text look like then? (I don't follow how the "invoke" > > phrasing relates to the requirement about specifying zero fee.) > > > I would phrase it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Non-fee based mechanisms for fee-based actions

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 11:29 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > What would the text look like then? (I don't follow how the "invoke" > phrasing relates to the requirement about specifying zero fee.) I would phrase it as "If a fee-based method to perform an action has a fee of no assets, that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Non-fee based mechanisms for fee-based actions

2020-06-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> >> If the Rules define a fee-based mechanism to perform an action, but the > >> specified set of assets is the empty set, then the mechanism can be > >> invoked by announcement, but the announcement must include that there is > >> an (empty or 0) fee for the mechanism. > > I'm not sure if the

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 20:37, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > Here's a proto-proposal I came up with somewhat on the spot. Opinions > welcome. > > > Title: The Deck > AI: 1.0 > Author: ATMunn > Co-author(s): > > Enact a power-1 rule entitled "The Deck" with the following text: > The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Non-fee based mechanisms for fee-based actions

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 11:08 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: >> If the Rules associate payment of a set of actions (hereafter the fee > s/actions/assets/ Thanks, fixed on local copy. > >> for the action; syns: cost, price charge) with performing an action, > You lost a comma after "price".

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Non-fee based mechanisms for fee-based actions

2020-06-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> If the Rules associate payment of a set of actions (hereafter the fee s/actions/assets/ > for the action; syns: cost, price charge) with performing an action, You lost a comma after "price". > that mechanism for performing that action is a fee-based mechanism. Shouldn't it be "method"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Minor cleaning

2020-06-18 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:52 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > CFJ: R. Lee attempted to perform a forbidden action in the message in > evidence. > > Barred: R. Lee > > Arguments: > > In reference to: > Attempting a forbidden action is

Re: DIS: Fixing fee-based actions (was winning - more direct or less direct?)

2020-06-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 02:54, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/18/20 10:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > I don't have a strong preference but just directly winning does seem > > simpler. > > > > Either way I think R2579 should be clarified so it's clear that a > >

DIS: [Webmastor] AgoraOnline is now Online

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
Here it is: https://agoranomic.org/Webmastor/ Will surely receive tweaks over time. -- nch Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager

Re: DIS: Fixing fee-based actions (was winning - more direct or less direct?)

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 10:47 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > I don't have a strong preference but just directly winning does seem simpler. > > Either way I think R2579 should be clarified so it's clear that a > fee-based win method doesn't make all other win methods also require > that fee. > > I

DIS: Fixing fee-based actions (was winning - more direct or less direct?)

2020-06-18 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 17:36, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Minor discussion topic here. > > Right now, as evidenced by recent CFJ, the rules are in a slightly weird > place in winning where sometimes you do a thing (Raise a Banner) that > causes you to win, and sometimes what you do

DIS: Re: BUS: Minor cleaning

2020-06-18 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
Lol, I just amended the forbidden arts rule to allow me to do this, so nice try. It would require me to actually do the action (or attempt it) which I can't do due to the objection. I didn't have any overarching objective with this message lol it was mainly a Beaker joke. On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at

DIS: Re: BUS: Minor cleaning

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 8:50 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > I intend, without objection, to amed the rules in the following > inconsequential way: > Amend every word in the ruleset except the rules at power 4 to read "Meep" > > -- > From R. Lee I don't think words can read. -- nch Prime Minister,

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
G. wrote: As a side-note, could we add back to Sets a single-word term that means trading cards for currencies? The first draft used "transmute" but that's being used in a proposal now. It would be much easier to say "when a card is transmuted..." so it's only triggered when that particular

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning [attn. Rulekeepor]

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 8:39 PM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > Meh, I don't see any difference between cleaning platonic typos and > Rulekeepor typos. Remove them all without mercy!! Platonic typos need an actual cleaning to solve, while Rulekeepor typos can just be fixed once they're noticed. --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning [attn. Rulekeepor]

2020-06-18 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
Meh, I don't see any difference between cleaning platonic typos and Rulekeepor typos. Remove them all without mercy!! On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:11 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 6/18/20 4:06 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 7:05 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: Oh - forgot a couple comments! On 6/18/2020 1:37 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: Enact a power-1 rule entitled "Discarding" with the following text: When a player pays a set of at least 2 cards, You need to add

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 6:58 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/18/2020 1:37 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: exactly proportional to the number of that Card When we had a card game with a deck once, we had a lot of minor errors happen where a card was thought to be in the deck

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 4:21 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/18/20 2:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion > wrote: >> On 6/18/20 2:56 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >>> Here's my first draft of regulations for management of the github. >>> Feedback appreciated. >>> >>> {

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Oh - forgot a couple comments! On 6/18/2020 1:37 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > Enact a power-1 rule entitled "Discarding" with the following text: > When a player pays a set of at least 2 cards, You need to add something here - "pay" on its own could count paying someone else,

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 1:37 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > exactly proportional to the number of that Card When we had a card game with a deck once, we had a lot of minor errors happen where a card was thought to be in the deck that wasn't, or vice versa. This led to a lot of breakages of

DIS: [Assessor] Historical links now on web archive

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
The links to the official historical reports are now on the Assessor web archive. Example at [0]. Happy archive searching, everyone! [0]: https://agoranomic.org/assessor/8431-8441.txt -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Final unofficial draft

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 5:15 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > I transferred DracoLotto my victory card at [0], which is reflected in > the history but not in the totals. > > [0]: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043331.html Gah, I keep sending emails too early; sorry

Re: DIS: [Treasuror] Final unofficial draft

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 5:08 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > I know, I know. I've already done this this week. I think this fixes all > the issues brought up with previous revisions. I also did some custom > styling on the markdown/HTML version. I think it looks really nice. > > Anyway,

DIS: [Treasuror] Final unofficial draft

2020-06-18 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
I know, I know. I've already done this this week. I think this fixes all the issues brought up with previous revisions. I also did some custom styling on the markdown/HTML version. I think it looks really nice. Anyway, criticize away. FRESH TEXT VERSION:

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 3:45 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > And sorry for bugging you so much about this. I spend a lot of time on > Github projects for Agora so I just want to make sure that all the > regulations allow me to keep on doing that effectively. Please bug away. The whole reason

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-18 14:12, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/18/20 2:22 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: Unless I'm misunderstanding this list and all factors are weighted equally, in which case that should be stated somewhere. I didn't intend for the list to be meaningfully

DIS: [Proto-proposal] What's a card game without a deck?

2020-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
Here's a proto-proposal I came up with somewhat on the spot. Opinions welcome. Title: The Deck AI: 1.0 Author: ATMunn Co-author(s): Enact a power-1 rule entitled "The Deck" with the following text: The Deck is an entity. The Deck CAN own Cards, but no other types of assets.

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 4:21 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/18/20 2:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: On 6/18/20 2:56 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: Here's my first draft of regulations for management of the github. Feedback appreciated. { # Github Owners

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 2:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/18/20 2:56 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> Here's my first draft of regulations for management of the github. >> Feedback appreciated. >> >> { >> >> # Github Owners >> >> A Github Owner is a person who

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 2:22 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2020-06-18 12:56, nch via agora-discussion wrote: >> Here's my first draft of regulations for management of the github. >> Feedback appreciated. >> >> { >> >> # Github Owners >> >> A Github Owner is a person who is listed as an

DIS: Re: BUS: Cleaning [attn. Rulekeepor]

2020-06-18 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 4:06 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: > I intend to clean Rule 2576 "Ownership" without objection, replacing > "Department.." with "Department." [first sentence of the second paragraph] > I can confirm that the platonic ruleset does have the double period (unlike some previous

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-18 12:56, nch via agora-discussion wrote: Here's my first draft of regulations for management of the github. Feedback appreciated. { # Github Owners A Github Owner is a person who is listed as an owner of the Agora organization on Github. There should be 3 Github Owners at any

Re: DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 2:56 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote: > Here's my first draft of regulations for management of the github. > Feedback appreciated. > > { > > # Github Owners > > A Github Owner is a person who is listed as an owner of the Agora > organization on Github. There should be 3 Github

DIS: [Webmastor] Github Regulations, First Draft

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
Here's my first draft of regulations for management of the github. Feedback appreciated. { # Github Owners A Github Owner is a person who is listed as an owner of the Agora organization on Github. There should be 3 Github Owners at any time. The Ideal Criteria for a Github Owner are as

Re: DIS: winning - more direct or less direct?

2020-06-18 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
I think I personally prefer the more direct option, but I don't really have a good reason why. It just seems more intuitive, I guess. I would still be fine with either. On 6/18/2020 1:32 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: Minor discussion topic here. Right now, as evidenced by

DIS: winning - more direct or less direct?

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Minor discussion topic here. Right now, as evidenced by recent CFJ, the rules are in a slightly weird place in winning where sometimes you do a thing (Raise a Banner) that causes you to win, and sometimes what you do is "win by announcement" if certain conditions are met. These can break in

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Resolving Prime Minister Election

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/17/20 8:11 PM, Rebecca via agora-official wrote: > I resolve the Agoran Decision for the election of the Prime Minister. The > quorum was 7 voting system was IRV. > > First Preference Votes > > R. Lee (1): R. Lee > > ATMunn (3): Aris, Jason, ATMunn > > Nch (4): Falsifian, PSS, nch, Trigon > >

Re: DIS: [attn Github Owners] Treasuror repository request

2020-06-18 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 3:53 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > I moved the reports archive to the /docs folder in the Treasuror > repository and added some jekyll stuff so that it would be a > full-fledged site. But it's not going to work yet because it's still > serving from the root of the

Re: [proposal] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: re-tailor

2020-06-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/18/2020 9:38 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On 6/18/20 12:31 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> Fair's fair. >> >> I withdraw the proposal "UV Sunblock" from the pool. >> >> I submit the following Proposal, "UV-G Sunblock" AI-3, co=author ais523: >>

Re: [proposal] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: re-tailor

2020-06-18 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 6/18/20 12:31 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > Fair's fair. > > I withdraw the proposal "UV Sunblock" from the pool. > > I submit the following Proposal, "UV-G Sunblock" AI-3, co=author ais523: > > > Amend

DIS: [attn Github Owners] Treasuror repository request

2020-06-18 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
I moved the reports archive to the /docs folder in the Treasuror repository and added some jekyll stuff so that it would be a full-fledged site. But it's not going to work yet because it's still serving from the root of the master branch. I need one of you Github Owners go to the settings,

Re: [proposal] Re: DIS: Re: BUS: re-tailor

2020-06-18 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
well it's usually almost impossible to win the game another way On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:06 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/17/2020 8:08 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 01:08:09 GMT+1, Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> I award