Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 10:13 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 21:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> Here are the votes withdrawals, 2 seconds before the voting period >> ended: > > Did I really cut it that close? My usual aim for "before the thing >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 21:23 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Here are the votes withdrawals, 2 seconds before the voting period > ended: Did I really cut it that close? My usual aim for "before the thing happens" timing scams is at least 2 minutes, to allow for potential email

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On July 12, 2020 11:24:19 p.m. EDT, "N. S. via agora-business" wrote: >I vote like this and have tcbapo vote the same, except where indicated Tcbapo is no longer registered. E stopped being your zombie when you were exiled. Falsifian

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 9:02 PM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:09 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> Scam, dunno details, nch is listed as conspirator, it involved Rule 2492? >> 2017-06-28 Quazie +K > > Scam where I as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, July 12, 2020 10:09 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > Scam, dunno details, nch is listed as conspirator, it involved Rule 2492? > 2017-06-28 Quazie +K Scam where I as Assessor manipulated the assessment order in order to give ais523 and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 7:40 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: >> For the most part, this has turned into "when there's enough player >> turnover that a majority don't have black ribbons, pass an AI-1 proposal". >> So most defense for such proposals has been token at best (e.g. in the >> current

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
For the most part, this has turned into "when there's enough player turnover that a majority don't have black ribbons, pass an AI-1 proposal". So most defense for such proposals has been token at best (e.g. in the current rules I doubt anyone thinks it's worth spending Extra Votes to stop it).

Re: DIS: please ignore the above

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On 2020-07-13 1:57 a.m., ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: On 7/12/2020 9:54 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: I now fully understand conditionals. If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Conditional Builds

2020-07-12 Thread N. S. via agora-discussion
i think this was mistakenly sent here. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:55 AM ATMunn via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I now fully understand conditionals. > > If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build > a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On 2020-07-12 5:24 p.m., Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Jason wrote: Contracts are not bodies of law - currently the only body of law is the one composed of entities with non-zero power, which means R2613 doesn't necessarily apply to contracts (it could, but I think that would need

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On 2020-07-12 3:43 p.m., Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: Falsifian wrote: Our new economy chugged along this week, despite the looming threat of a reset caused by the scam. A card-pooling lottery concluded and a new trading system opened, both handled by contracts subsidiary to the

DIS: please ignore the above

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 9:54 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: I now fully understand conditionals. If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build is available, this is the order I would prefer) For

DIS: [Diplonomic] Conditional Builds

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
I now fully understand conditionals. If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build is available, this is the order I would prefer) For my other build, build a fleet in Sev unless it is occupied,

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 6:10 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 7/12/2020 5:53 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> I'm not sure I entirely understood that conditionals were even a thing. >> Could you give some sort of example of a conditional? >> > > It's only for builds and retreats. In normal

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
Conditionals can only be used for orders that would need to be given after the initial orders: retreat, disband, and build. I’ll give two examples (put in the US to avoid revealing information): If there are any New Yorker troops in Trenton, build a troop at Princeton; otherwise, build it at

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 5:53 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > > I'm not sure I entirely understood that conditionals were even a thing. > Could you give some sort of example of a conditional? > It's only for builds and retreats. In normal diplomacy, there's a brief "retreats and builds" phase

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 8:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: First of all, the first set of orders with conditionals is coming in reasonably well. I've had to request a few clarifications or expansions, but people have been helpful and responsive. I would like to make it

DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
First of all, the first set of orders with conditionals is coming in reasonably well. I've had to request a few clarifications or expansions, but people have been helpful and responsive. I would like to make it publicly known that I have prodded and asked for orders in instances where I found them

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: A Rival Ship Appears

2020-07-12 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
I leave the Pirate Plundership. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, July 12, 2020 7:22 PM, Nch via agora-business wrote: > I consent to the following contract: > > { > > The Platonic Parrot > > A party to this contract is also known as a Platonic Pirate. Any player > who is not

DIS: Re: BUS: [NAX] Exchange Manager's Report

2020-07-12 Thread Reuben Staley via agora-discussion
On 2020-06-22 08:10, nch via agora-business wrote: The Purse of NAX is 5. I transfer 5 coins from NAX to myself, making the Purse 0. I missed this action a couple weeks ago and it self-ratified that NAX has owned these 5 coins all along and they now exist in the possession of the Lost and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 2:10 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 13:32 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> That presumes that I think bribery proposals are legitimate. I don't, >> but if the rules explicitly make it so there's no legitimate way to >> do something one is clearly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2020-07-12 at 13:32 -0700, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > That presumes that I think bribery proposals are legitimate. I don't, > but if the rules explicitly make it so there's no legitimate way to > do something one is clearly intended to do, I suppose that makes it >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:28 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 7/12/2020 1:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > I vote as follows: > > > >> ID Author(s)AITitle > >> >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 1:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > I vote as follows: > >> ID Author(s)AITitle >> --- >> 8473p Jason, G.1.0 Plain Old Bribery > FOR. Consider this a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy

2020-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/12/20 1:24 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Jason wrote: > >> Contracts are not bodies of law - currently the only body of law is the >> one composed of entities with non-zero power, which means R2613 doesn't >> necessarily apply to contracts (it could, but I think that would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy

2020-07-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Jason wrote: Contracts are not bodies of law - currently the only body of law is the one composed of entities with non-zero power, which means R2613 doesn't necessarily apply to contracts (it could, but I think that would need arguments rather than just assuming it to be true). AFAIK contracts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy [attn Treasuror]

2020-07-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
PSS wrote: On 7/12/20 12:09 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: I wrote: ===  CFJ 3863 === FALSE. I award myself Blue Glitter for this judgement (10 coins according to latest Tailor's weekly report). Just wanted to note

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2020-07-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ATMunn wrote: On 7/12/2020 12:21 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: OFFICES Office Holder[1]  Since Last Election Notary ATMunn 2020-06-07    2020-06-15 Not a CoE because

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy [attn Treasuror]

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 7/12/20 12:09 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > I wrote: > >>> ===  CFJ 3863  >>> === > >> FALSE. > > I award myself Blue Glitter for this judgement (10 coins according to > latest Tailor's weekly report). > Just wanted to

DIS: [Diplonomic] anonymous proposals and resolution time

2020-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Diplonomic Proto: anonymous, turn-based proposals [I will submit some version of this before the next turn; technical comments very welcome] Replace Rule 8 with the following: During the negotiation or order-submission periods, any Contestant CAN submit a proposal to change these rules

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 12:21 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote: OFFICES Office Holder[1]  Since Last Election Notary ATMunn 2020-06-07    2020-06-15 Not a CoE because I could be

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3863 Assigned to Murphy

2020-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/12/20 11:39 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > While the contract attempts to overrule the Rule definition of the > phrase in question, it does not explicitly attempt to overrule this > clause from Rule 2613 (Effects of Instruments): > >An instrument or body of law is not,

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

2020-07-12 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Falsifian wrote: Our new economy chugged along this week, despite the looming threat of a reset caused by the scam. A card-pooling lottery concluded and a new trading system opened, both handled by contracts subsidiary to the Dragon Corporation. Discussion this week included the impact of

DIS: Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: Cuddlebeam, nch, R. Lee, P.S.S., G., Bögtil, Jason, Falsifian, Aris, ATMunn Each of the above listed players has 125/10=12 doubloons. I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins. problem: Bögtil is not a player,

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombification

2020-07-12 Thread Falsifian via agora-discussion
On 2020-07-12 6:11 a.m., N. S. via agora-business wrote: I gave notice a while ago, forgot where but whatever. I flip Telnaiors talisman to agora. I already did that ~12h ago. -- Falsifian

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

2020-07-12 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2020 1:31 AM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote: Agorans' contract fun continues to keep our Notary busy, but not too busy to announce some new (informal) Contract Awards. Let's hope this becomes a tradition. I intend on it becoming so, I just haven't had much time with Diplonomic

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic 2020] Disagreeable Proposal

2020-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/11/20 11:59 PM, omd via agora-business wrote: > at 8:42 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion > wrote: > >> I think this is missing 'replacing "more supply centers than units" with >> "more Supply than its number of units"'. >> >> I'm not sure what the proposal does in the case that a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation Intent

2020-07-12 Thread N. S. via agora-discussion
Ok i will give em this next whole week then On Sun., 12 Jul. 2020, 10:26 pm Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion, wrote: > On 7/12/20 7:55 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: > > Murphy missed eir report last week, I'll give him 2 days from now. I > intend > > to deputise for

DIS: Re: BUS: Deputisation Intent

2020-07-12 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 7/12/20 7:55 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: > Murphy missed eir report last week, I'll give him 2 days from now. I intend > to deputise for ADoP to publish eir weekly report. > I think that could be violating the spirit of Rule 1769

DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2020-07-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here's a draft. Comments on my notation for sponsored and unsponsored proposals are welcome in addition to pointing out the usual errors. -Aris --- PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it, and removing it from the proposal pool.