Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Recusal of cuddlybanana from CFJ 3941, assigned to G.

2022-02-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 7:50 AM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 07:40 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > I judge 3941 as follows: > > > > First, to be clear, The Device switch and The Device rule are not > > "devices" by virtue of their names alone. > >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Recusal of cuddlybanana from CFJ 3941, assigned to G.

2022-02-14 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/10/2022 7:52 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: > I recuse cuddlybanana from CFJ 3941, and note that an apology or > explanation is in order. > > I assign G. to be the judge of CFJ 3941. ("Rule 2465 is a Device.") proto-judgement: First, "the device" (the switch) is different

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Referee) Two fingers pointed, cuddlybanana, Murphy

2022-02-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/10/2022 9:23 PM, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:24 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business > wrote: >> I point a finger at Murphy for failure to judge CFJ 3940 in a timely >> fashion, >> in violation of Rule 591. >> I note that this offense is minor (about two

DIS: (@treasuror, @tailor) Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8635-8637

2022-02-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/8/2022 11:01 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > PROPOSAL 8636 (Points) > AUTHOR: G. > CLASS: ORDINARY > FOR (6): Aspen, G., Jason, Madrid!, Murphy, cuddlybanana > AGAINST (0): > PRESENT (2): Falsifian, ais523 > BALLOTS: 8 > AI (F/A): 16/0 (AI=1.5) > POPULARITY: 0.750 > OUTCOME:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] RTRW Recording

2022-02-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/8/2022 12:59 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 2/8/2022 12:28 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2/8/2022 15:16, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >>> Well it looks like we're going with recording people reading the ruleset. >>> >>> Reading will be done using the Short Logical

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] RTRW Recording

2022-02-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/8/2022 12:28 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/8/2022 15:16, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >> Well it looks like we're going with recording people reading the ruleset. >> >> Reading will be done using the Short Logical Ruleset published on 8 Feb >> 2022, which has 146

DIS: Re: BUS: (@Rulekeepor) A correction to an FLR annotation

2022-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/7/2022 3:34 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > An FLR annotation to rule 1789 references CFJ 1594, whose appeal found > that players could be deregistered in a Writ of FAGE even if there were > no Registrar. > > However, rule 1789 looked a little different at the time – it stated >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Arbitor] CFJ rewards, CFJ 3944 to Jason, CFJ 3945 to Murphy

2022-02-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/2/2022 10:10 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, 2022-02-02 at 12:04 -0600, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: >> (Pretty sure this works because deputization is allowed when an office is >> filled if the time limit has expired more than 14 days ago. I think this is >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] quorum fix

2022-02-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 2/1/2022 2:48 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2/1/22 16:38, Rose Strong via agora-discussion wrote: >> Unless I am completely misunderstanding the CFJ 3938 ruling a quorum can >> never be 1. >> > > That's under the current rules, due to the clause that would be changed >

Fwd: DIS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Arbitor] 3942 assigned to G. (Plus stuff)

2022-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
ok here's an actually-finished proto judgement for consideration/comment: On 1/30/2022 11:10 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: > I plan to flip my focus to Legacy. > > CFJ: It is not possible under the current ruleset for a CFJ to be destroyed. > > I temporarily deputize for the

DIS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Arbitor] 3942 assigned to G. (Plus stuff)

2022-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
oops hit "send" instead of "save draft" there - obviously unfinished lol On 1/31/2022 1:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 1/30/2022 11:10 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: >> I plan to flip my focus to Legacy. >> >> CFJ: It is not possible under the current ruleset for a CFJ to be

DIS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Arbitor] 3942 assigned to G. (Plus stuff)

2022-01-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2022 11:10 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote: > I plan to flip my focus to Legacy. > > CFJ: It is not possible under the current ruleset for a CFJ to be destroyed. > > I temporarily deputize for the Arbitor to number the above CFJ #3942 and > assign it to G. > > I award

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Intent to Stop Inventing

2022-01-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/30/2022 4:35 PM, ais523 via agora-official wrote: > On Mon, 2022-01-31 at 01:25 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- > business wrote: >> The dice roll was: 144 >> This is R2655, The Mad Engineer. > > The Device is on. CoE: it may have been destroyed by the passage of > time. I cite CFJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy-Arbitor] CFJ 3938 assigned to Jason (also @referee)

2022-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/26/2022 11:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 1/25/2022 6:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> On 1/21/22 11:38, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: >> 1. Ratify without objection that "Hillary Rodham Clinton is a player." >> Ratification is at power 3.1 and overpowers the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy-Arbitor] CFJ 3938 assigned to Jason (also @referee)

2022-01-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/25/2022 6:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 1/21/22 11:38, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > 1. Ratify without objection that "Hillary Rodham Clinton is a player." > Ratification is at power 3.1 and overpowers the restriction on consent > in Rule 869/48. This step

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror, @promotor) [proposal] basic scoring

2022-01-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/24/2022 1:38 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > >> On Jan 24, 2022, at 9:34 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >> Further, if it's trying to take into account past-only but forcing the >> assessor to calculate "inst

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror, @promotor) [proposal] basic scoring

2022-01-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/24/2022 1:20 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Jan 23, 2022, at 10:02 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >> Yup, and if more than one person have that idea and all change at about >> the same time, the proposal might

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror) snitching awards

2022-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2022 4:34 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 16:24 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> [Note: While the Arbitor's office has been vacant and I've been referee, >> I've been purposefully leaving a few days between my finger-pointing and >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@treasuror, @promotor) [proposal] basic scoring

2022-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2022 1:56 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 1/23/22 16:53, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Sun, 2022-01-23 at 13:49 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >>> * Having submitted an unconditional ballot AGAINST a referendum to >>> adopt a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] true basics

2022-01-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/19/2022 11:09 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, 2022-01-19 at 07:30 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I submit the following proposal, AI=2, called "Points": >> >> >> >> Create the following power=2 rule,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-01-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/18/2022 9:45 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2022-01-18 at 09:34 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> "A device is an entity with positive power" >> >> [Would this (1) make all rules into devices or (2) make

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-01-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/17/2022 1:11 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 2022-01-17 at 10:07 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- > business wrote: >> The dice roll was: 28 >> This is R1688, Power. > > For reference: > {{{ > The Power of an entity is a non-negative rational number. An >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Rulekeepor] Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Intent to Invent

2022-01-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/6/2022 2:14 AM, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: > Must be noted that I don't think anything whatsoever that's in the FLR that > isn't in the SLR has legal effect Not exactly what scope you're considering "legal effect" but the date on which a rule change was made has legal effect and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2022-01-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/4/2022 9:44 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > For reference: > {{{ > The voting strength of an entity on an Agoran decision is an > integer between 0 and 15 inclusive, defined by rules of power 2 > or greater. If not otherwise specified, the voting strength of >

DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] Dawn of a New Day

2022-01-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/2/2022 6:10 PM, Aspen via agora-business wrote: > Last year, there were a few days that held great personal significance > for me. As of the 13th of September, I had been a player for five > years. Just over a month later, on the 21st of October, I had been > your Promotor for five years as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-12-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/31/2021 3:54 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Arguably, because a singleton > switch is a switch that pertains to Agora, adding a new one would > involve creating a new Agora. > Nice! Not that intent matters, but in writing the proposal I put The Device Rule before The Mad

Re: DIS: Proto: PodNomic Correspondent

2021-12-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/17/2021 10:54 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 12/17/21 08:30, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> Create a power-1 rule, titled “Foreign Bureaux”, with the following text: { >> PodNomic Correspondent is an office. >> >> For the purposes of PodNomic, Agora Nomic’s

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8634

2021-12-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 12/12/2021 5:36 PM, Aspen via agora-official wrote: > with non-negative integer possible > values, defaulting to 0, For future reference, this could be replaced with "natural switch" (as defined in R2509, including 0 being defined as the default default).

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] November Stone Auction Distribution Attempt 2

2021-11-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 11/16/2021 5:26 PM, Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2021, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > >> On 11/16/2021 6:38 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: >>> I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed: >>&g

DIS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] November Stone Auction Distribution Attempt 2

2021-11-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 11/16/2021 6:38 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote: > I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed: > > { > > I destroy 150 of Jason's coins. > > I cause the Hot Potato Stone to be transferred to Jason. > > I wield the Hot Potato Stone, transferring it to ais523. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-11-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 11/15/2021 8:48 AM, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote: > El 15/11/2021 a las 15:02, ais523 via agora-discussion escribió: >> On Mon, 2021-11-15 at 16:00 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- >> business wrote: >> >> Lots of nice short sentences here, so it may well be possible to come >> up

DIS: Re: [Ministor] Foci

2021-11-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 1:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > [*] R. Lee planned to flip to legislation on Sept 18th, while an > active player. E then deregistered (in Sept). E re-registered in > October. On October 18th, Rule 2638 was amended to define the concept > of "winds changing" and inserted

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-10-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
The self-destruct timer is hard to resist: > The time window of a device is W days, where W is the value > explicitly stated by the device, or 60 if the device does not > explicitly state a value. A device ceases to exist at the end of > its time window. (not sure I'd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: ALT: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8607-8629

2021-10-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/18/2021 9:32 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/18/21 12:16, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 10/18/2021 9:11 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 10/18/21 06:18, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >>> We fixed the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: ALT: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8607-8629

2021-10-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/18/2021 9:11 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 10/18/21 06:18, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > We fixed the case where a proposal might be applied twice: > >> 4. (if the indicated outcome was to adopt a proposal) such a >> proposal existed, was adopted,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Registrar] Weekly Report

2021-10-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/8/2021 12:00 PM, Shy Owl via agora-discussion wrote: >> I don't think this is an error that self-ratifies/needs a CoE. > > Is it sufficient to just correct this in future reports then? > > -- > > Shy Owl Yes, that works fine. -G.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Registrar] Weekly Report

2021-10-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/8/2021 11:24 AM, Shy Owl via agora-official wrote: > 24-Aug-21 R. Lee deregisters slam_joe without 3 objections. > 24-Aug-21 R. Lee deregisters Aenet without 3 objections. > 24-Aug-21 R. Lee deregisters Ubercrow without 3 objections. > 19-Sep-21 R. Lee deregisters in a Writ of

DIS: proto: our voting game roots

2021-10-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: our game theory roots coauthor: ATMunn [ - Awards controversial proposals that are adopted instead of trivial bugfixes that everyone feels obliged to vote for. - Brings back some of our old (as in: original ruleset) concept of game theory against voting. Amend Rule 2623 (Popular

DIS: Re: THE INSANITY CLAUSES

2021-10-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/7/2021 9:55 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > THE INSANITY CLAUSES While I didn't end up waiting past the 4-day waiting period, as can be seen from the text that time frame is irrelevant. Obviously I could still slip another doc in (and if worried about dictatorship, pledges etc. aren't much

Re: DIS: [proto] Act on behalf, inactivity

2021-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/6/2021 12:08 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > I guess you could make the "act on behalf" prohibitions also act as > prohibitions on things that a promise could do. That would sadden me a > little, because the equivalent of an "I become inactive." promise > (which I simulated using

DIS: [proto] Act on behalf, inactivity

2021-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
One subject of conversation on discord this month has been what should inactive players be allowed to do in general (thinking mostly about minimally-present people) and also what limits there should be to act-on-behalf. This parallels what happened with zombies in 2018, when act-on-behalf was

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer plays Necropotence

2021-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/6/2021 11:07 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 10/6/2021 4:58 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> With all due respects to Jumble who sees our contract as more of a way to >> screw me than a deal at this point- >> >> I Plan to Flip my Focus to Compliance. >> I Grant my Ministry's

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer plays Necropotence

2021-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/6/2021 4:58 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: > With all due respects to Jumble who sees our contract as more of a way to > screw me than a deal at this point- > > I Plan to Flip my Focus to Compliance. > I Grant my Ministry's Focus to myself. If looking at the direct consequence

DIS: Re: [Ministor] Foci

2021-10-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/6/2021 7:10 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Planning History > - > 18-Sep Cuddlebeam Legacy -> Participation > 18-Sep R. Lee Compliance -> Legislation (deregistered) > 20-Sep Jason Legislation -> Legislation > 29-Sep G.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8607-8629

2021-10-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/5/2021 2:18 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >> 8613* Jason, Trigon 3.0 The Name of the Win Cards v2 > AGAINST (just a personal preference vote, I don't think this breaks > anything, and think new names might be helpful to avoid the "V" clash, > but don't like the choice

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8607-8629

2021-10-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/5/2021 2:29 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> 8617& nix, G. 1.0 Forgiveness > PRESENT: Need context. Context is that while the Fugitive list has been in the Scroll for a long time, it was never official and is somewhat inaccurate for being not maintained

DIS: (@Aspen) Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8607-8629

2021-10-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 10/3/2021 9:26 PM, Aspen via agora-official wrote: > 8629* G., Telna, nix, [3] 3.0 Independence Day > [3] CuddleBeam, cuddlybanana, Jason Not a CoE (will leave that up to the Promotor if appropriate) but missing coauthor Gaelan, who was really the main author and deserves the

DIS: Re: (proposal) I LOVE SPAGHETTI

2021-10-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
I'm still accepting text for THE INSANITY CLAUSES. 10 coins per 80 characters - that's dirt cheap!!! Text can be provided privately. [Addendum: I won't purposefully reveal who provided any particular text, nor will I put anything in THE INSANITY CLAUSES or the surrounding message other than

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJs 3929 and 3930 Assigned to Jason

2021-09-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/23/2021 10:00 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > However, Rule 2140 is not the only Rule that governs how lower-powered > Rules affect higher-powered Rules. Rule 217's second paragraph states > when lower-powered definitions may affect higher-powered Rules. I don't think it's

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

2021-09-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/26/2021 5:15 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 2021-09-27 at 02:00 +0200, nethack4.org dicebot via agora- > business wrote: >> The dice roll was: 140 >> This is R2646, Activity. > > For reference: > > {{{ > Activity is a player switch tracked by the Registrar, with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@Promotor) What's One More Than Four?

2021-09-26 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/26/2021 5:55 PM, Telna via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2021-09-27 07:00, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: >> Telna wrote: >>> (and of course, while the idea of us permanently living in the shadow >>> of a rule that claims absolute authority over us forever and nothing >>> else

DIS: Re: BUS: [Survivor] Finally the Finale

2021-09-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/23/2021 11:03 AM, nix via agora-business wrote: > This Finale Script has enough votes, so I apply it. I begin the Finale. > Best of luck! Remember, the first person to bet on the winner will get a Victory Card! VALID BETS: Jason, Telna, Falsifian, cuddlybanana (rose), Aspen. Bets are

DIS: [not-Ministor] not-report

2021-09-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
[Just taking a snapshot, so sharing on DIS] Focuses after Sept 1 Monthly Planning (straight copy of R. Lee's 1-Sep ratified report) Compliance (2): Telna, R. Lee Legacy (6): ATMunn, Cuddlebeam, Falsifian,Trigon,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3931 Assigned to ais523 [@Arbitor + Glitter]

2021-09-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/19/2021 7:42 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2021-09-19 at 18:52 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 9/19/2021 6:36 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >>> We >>> used to have an explicit rule that allowed players to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 3929 and 3930 Assigned to Jason

2021-09-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/19/2021 7:11 PM, Telna via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2021-09-20 01:41, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> On 9/19/2021 2:02 AM, Telna via agora-official wrote: >>> I recuse R. Lee from CFJs 3929 and 3930. (E is deregistered). >>> I a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3931 Assigned to ais523 [@Arbitor + Glitter]

2021-09-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/19/2021 6:36 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > We > used to have an explicit rule that allowed players to win by proposal – > wins as a consequence of a proposal passing wouldn't have been valid > without that rule. It's since been repealed, and to win the game by > proposal nowadays,

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJs 3929 and 3930 Assigned to Jason

2021-09-19 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/19/2021 2:02 AM, Telna via agora-official wrote: > I recuse R. Lee from CFJs 3929 and 3930. (E is deregistered). > I assign CFJs 3929 and 3930 to Jason. Note that if R. Lee is not late judging, this fails. The rules are written so that you must be a player to be assigned as a judge, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Arbitrary Blotting before the reset

2021-09-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/17/2021 6:53 PM, Telna via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2021-09-18 06:00, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> >> >> On 9/17/2021 12:52 PM, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: >>> I spend 2 BBGs to give one blot to Trigon and I spend 2 BBGs to give one >>> blot to ATMunn >>> >> >> Fun!

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Narrowing Margins, Forgiveness

2021-09-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/15/2021 11:05 AM, nix via agora-business wrote: > { > > Agora formally forgives all fugitives listed on the most recent scroll > of Agora. > > } [Minor technical thing: Fugitives are now a term of art in R2555. Shelvacu was the only one, now expunged. So there are *no* fugitives listed

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2021-09-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/11/2021 1:52 AM, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > 8603& Jason, Bucky2.0 Buying Strength Eligibility > 8604& R. Lee, G. 2.0 Stony Silence > 8605& G., Ørjan 1.0 Covered under warranty Missing the proposal made by the adoption of proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: contract with cuddlybananaq

2021-09-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/5/2021 12:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 9/5/2021 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 9/5/21 11:33, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: >>> Contract doesnt work, I said 'pendants' when i meant 'blot-b-gones'. I >>> intend to destroy this contract without objection >> >> >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: contract with cuddlybananaq

2021-09-05 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/5/2021 8:51 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 9/5/21 11:33, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: >> Contract doesnt work, I said 'pendants' when i meant 'blot-b-gones'. I >> intend to destroy this contract without objection > > > This is not resolvable. Contracts can only be

DIS: Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] I need a holiday + maybe a final reporting duty

2021-09-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/4/2021 11:52 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > [I'm not sure if the following is part of weekly duties or not, likely not > but who knows] > > Mad Engineer's Weekly Device Report: The device is currently off. > Wanted to expand on this comment. I think it's more likely that

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Mad Scientist] Lab Notebook (also @treasuror)

2021-09-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 9/1/2021 9:39 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > (I didn't closely follow the CFJ about randomization so not sure if > this intent was affected.) > Shouldn't affect it, the random discord draw was done about 24 hours before I published the intent, and the cfj generally found that

Re: DIS: Draft to make the stone proposal clearer (happy G?)

2021-08-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/31/2021 9:57 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 8/30/2021 8:58 PM, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: >> - Hot Potato Stone (Weekly, 100%): This stone obeys special rules that >> override other applicable rules to the extent they conflict. When this >> stone is wielded, the wielder gains 8

Re: DIS: Draft to make the stone proposal clearer (happy G?)

2021-08-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/30/2021 8:58 PM, Sarah S. via agora-discussion wrote: > - Hot Potato Stone (Weekly, 100%): This stone obeys special rules that > override other applicable rules to the extent they conflict. When this > stone is wielded, the wielder gains 8 boatloads of coins if the wielder, in > the same

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8596-8601

2021-08-31 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/31/2021 12:22 AM, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 12:06 AM Sarah S. wrote: >> I think the CFJ called on your proposal is the longest and most >> controversial CFJ I at least have ever seen. Sorry for all the bother about >> that. > > It's definitely in my top

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8602

2021-08-30 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/29/2021 9:58 PM, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 10:15 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> I vote: >> >>> >> --- >>> 8602& R. Lee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3922 Assigned to ATMunn

2021-08-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/24/2021 7:36 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 8/23/2021 5:11 PM, Telna via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2021-08-24 07:11, ATMunn via agora-business wrote: >>> On 8/15/2021 22:39, Telna via agora-official wrote: Following recusal, I assign the reconsideration of CFJ 3922 to ATMunn.

DIS: Re: BUS: @Promotor [proposal] Getting Stoned

2021-08-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/24/2021 1:52 AM, Sarah S. via agora-business wrote: > - Hot Potato Stone (Weekly, 100%): You must transfer this stone to a player > of your choice > who has never owned this stone since the last time agora has owned it. Then > the original wielder gains 8 boatloads of coins. > SPECIAL RULE:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] win fix

2021-08-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/22/2021 11:39 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > G. wrote: > >> I submit the following proposal, "fix win lockouts", AI-2 please. > > Note: this doesn't cause winning conditions to override "impure players > can't win", it just prevents post-win cleanups from occurring unless

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Paradox Patch

2021-08-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/16/2021 10:09 AM, Trigon via agora-business wrote: >>> Title: Paradox Patch >>> >>> Adoption index: 1.0 >>> >>> Author: Jason >>> >>> Coauthors: G. >> >> For N from 2 through 5, I intend to certify this proposal with N support. >> > > I support. > Note that the win fix I just submitted

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3922 Assigned to Murphy (attn Treasuror)

2021-08-15 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/15/2021 2:43 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > Aspen wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 4:59 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 8/8/2021 3:33 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: The rules actually say "clearly specify" at one other point

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3922 Assigned to Murphy (attn Treasuror)

2021-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/9/2021 3:13 PM, D. Wet via agora-business wrote: > I will wait for the final judgement of CFJ 3922 or August 16th, which > ever comes first, before taking the next action. As an alternative if you want, you can sent a public message now, that says something like "I withdraw any proposal I

DIS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3923 Assigned to G.

2021-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
> CFJ: The quoted message is a distribution message as outlined in > Regulation AM0. I [proto-] deliver this judgement in CFJ 3923: The interpretations in this judgement are made in keeping with this part of Rule 2545/5: > To further aid trade and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3924 Assigned to Cuddlebeam [@Cuddlebeam]

2021-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/9/2021 7:36 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 8/9/21 9:17 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: >> Alright, re-Judging: >> >> I Judge FALSE. >> >> Backed by the arguments provided, I have become convinced that it is >> possible to try to simultaneously flip a Switch.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3924 Assigned to Cuddlebeam [@Cuddlebeam]

2021-08-09 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/9/2021 5:37 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > On Mon, 2021-08-09 at 12:45 +0100, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >> On Mon, 2021-08-09 at 13:31 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business >> wrote: >>> I Judge FALSE. >> >> I intend, with 2 support, to group-file a Motion to Reconsider this;

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Proposal

2021-08-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
>From https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3784, Judge Aspen presiding: "If a proposal fails to state that who is performing an action, Agorans are sufficiently respectful to make the inference that the proposal is. Thus, the proposal takes the place that a player would take for a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Buying Strength Eligibility

2021-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/7/2021 11:29 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 8/7/2021 11:19 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 8/7/21 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >>> On 8/7/2021 8:43 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >>>> Amend Rule 2653 by replaci

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Buying Strength Eligibility

2021-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/7/2021 11:19 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 8/7/21 2:13 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 8/7/2021 8:43 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >>> Amend Rule 2653 by replacing "A player's Voting Strength on referendum" >>

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Buying Strength Eligibility

2021-08-07 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/7/2021 8:43 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > Amend Rule 2653 by replacing "A player's Voting Strength on referendum" > with "A person's Voting Strength on a referendum". Why are we catering to non-players like this exactly? if you want to play, be a player. in particular, why

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: [cfj] simultaneous again

2021-08-06 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/6/2021 9:48 PM, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > While this is theoretically possible, it isn't doable in practice. To make > all the timestamps completely identical, you'd have to control not just > your mailserver, but all of the intermediate mail servers. If you didn't, > we could

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BAK: Trying to get on board

2021-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/2/2021 12:50 PM, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote: > On 02/08/2021 19:46, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> "Recommend against" might be too general. Selling might be a good >> strategy depending on your goals (e.g. whether you're trying to win th

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: BAK: Trying to get on board

2021-08-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/2/2021 12:02 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 8/2/21 2:51 PM, D. Wet via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2021-07-30 22:09, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >>> On 7/30/21 3:04 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote: Would you be interested in selling your Victory Card

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Rule: Onboarding of Newly Activated Players

2021-07-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/27/2021 3:13 PM, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote: >> 2. Players that are Active less than one month MUST actively be educated >> when their Action is IMPOSSIBLE within the current Ruleset. > > I'm not sure this is the best way to phrase this. Again, MUST means that > it is a rules

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: New Rule: Onboarding of Newly Activated Players

2021-07-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/27/2021 1:55 PM, Ned Strange via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 2:31 AM D. Wet via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I propose to create a new Rule in the Agoran commmunity to be adopted >> according to the current rule adoption procedure.

Re: DIS: proto on datestamps

2021-07-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/26/2021 11:09 PM, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 2:56 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> >> Proto: dating standards >> >> Amend Rule 478 (Fora) by replacing: >>performed at the time date-stampe

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer creates a Big Opportunity [attn. Notary]

2021-07-25 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/25/2021 8:39 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 9:06 AM Cuddle Beam via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> I CFJ the following: >> >> "Be X the first Judge assigned to this CFJ, the entirety of the Ruleset >> means the following: >>

Re: DIS: proto on datestamps

2021-07-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/22/2021 3:01 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2021-07-22 at 14:53 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Proto: dating standards >> >> Amend Rule 478 (Fora) by replacing: >>performed at the time date-stamped on that messa

DIS: proto on datestamps

2021-07-22 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: dating standards Amend Rule 478 (Fora) by replacing: performed at the time date-stamped on that message with: performed at the earliest credible time date-stamped on that message ["earliest" because that's closest to hitting the send key, "credible" to make it clear that it's a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Obstructive Pooling] Revised amendments

2021-07-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/16/2021 9:45 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021 at 06:16:24PM +1000, Telna via agora-discussion wrote: >> On 2021-07-15 10:37, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: >>> At the start of the paragraph beginning "The Trustee CAN transfer the >>> Trust", insert this

DIS: Re: BUS: @Arbitor Blots CFJ

2021-07-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 7/12/2021 12:39 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 03:12:18PM +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-business > wrote: >> I call a CFJ: Each player may claim a justice card this Agoran week. >> >> Rule 2478 states in relevant part "The player who initiated the most Finger

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8574-8592

2021-06-20 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/20/2021 6:27 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > I change my vote on that proposal to AGAINST > > It's not an (intentional) scam, though I think the better solution is to > remove that ability from emergency regs than to let non-Festive people > object to them. > sorry

Re: DIS: [proto] The Firm

2021-06-13 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/13/2021 3:24 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Surely being the owner's nephew ought to carry an advantage? Except it > doesn't do anything with Bonuses yet (presumably they would be tied into > voting strength somehow). I was thinking "despised in the company and given no

DIS: [proto] The Firm

2021-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Proto: The Firm [A change in the way vote cards lead to votes] Enact a Rule, "The Firm" (Power 2), with this text: The Firm is a secured ordered list of players. HR is an office; the firm as it was at the beginning of the week is part of HR's weekly report. A player's position

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] The Name of the Win Cards

2021-06-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/11/2021 8:02 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 03:27:54PM -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> I submit (but do not pend) the following proposal (stolen from Trigon >> with permission): >> >> Title: The Name of the Win Cards >> >> Adoption index:

DIS: (@Falsifian) Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8561-8572

2021-06-10 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/10/2021 11:46 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote: > I vote as follows. > >> ID Author(s) AITitle >> --- >> 8561& G., nix 2.0 Election Cycle > AGAINST > > [Just because it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 9:39 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-08 at 09:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> I had a feeling you'd bring this one up when I saw you register and saw >> that your computer delivery was faster than mine :) ! > My CFJ ea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (@assessor) pppppowerup

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 9:01 AM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, 2021-06-08, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to Buy Strength. >> I pay a fee of 1 Extra Vote to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] click whirrrr THUNK damn

2021-06-08 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/8/2021 8:56 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 6/8/21 11:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: >> Oh crap well that's completely broken. I was madly trying to sculpt >> Murphy's text and missed those differences. > > > It seems to ju

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