Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:21 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > any proposal doing that would get failed bc of ossifying agora though right? That proposal could repeal that rule. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
gt;> Proto: >> >> Title: Spring Cleaning >> >> Content: Remove all Historic Instruments [replace that with a proper >> definition for cleanup] that are older than 1 year old. >> >> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:39 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>>

DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
Title: Make Your Home Shine Author: o Co-authors: CuddleBeam AI: 1.7 For the purposes of clarity, no existing pledge is intended to carry over into this system, and this proposal does not imply the creation of any assets corresponding to existing pledges. Amend rule 1.7 to read, in full: Pledg

Re: DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Title: Make Your Home Shine > Author: o > Co-authors: CuddleBeam > AI: 1.7 > > For the purposes of clarity, no existing pledge is intended to carry over > into this system, and this proposal does not imply

Re: DIS: Proto: Banking and Bonds

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > Two versions of this proposal are offered. The first is the form to be > submitted and the second is a git diff. > { > Replace in the rule “Assets”, the line: > “restricted to Agora, persons, and organizations." > with

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:26 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > This whole conversation rung a memory bell for me, something Old (12+ years > old) that might be > still in effect! > > There was a Proposal, that read something like the following: > > Be it Hereby Proclaimed that from this moment

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 12:51 PM, Quazie wrote: > > So if I make a private agreement with someone, it's officially unreasonable > to ding them for any failures to fulfill unless we expose the contract > publicly This is consistent with real-world contract law, wherein the court must be privy t

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Well that's one way to forbid punishing anyone for lies or bad intent, if > nothing > else. > > This is pretty much already what we play by though, in that it can be argued > "if it's not in the PF, it's beyond the reasonable effort

Re: DIS: [very early proto/idea] Inter-Nomic Currency

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I have a clause in there about imported Subers being traceable back to a > Suber Creation Event. Presumably, this is something we’d do by proposal to > authorize another nomic’s minting of new Subers. In other words, BN could > fiat Sub

Re: DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
An update on this project: > Some basic principles: > > 1. The actions undertaken so far were undertaken in broadly good faith with > respect to the transactional nature of the current economic rules, and > performed with the mistaken understanding that several key rules made actions > POSSIBL

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Come What May

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 11:04 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I vote by endorsing myself. You know that that’s equivalent to PRESENT, right? This isn’t a particularly difficult application of r. 2127. > If a vote on an Agoran decision is submitted conditionally (e.g. "FOR if > is true, otherwise A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: arbitor fixes

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Quazie wrote: > > I wouldn't make it a shall, but simply allow for deputisation? I don't want > the Arbitor to get dinged - and this shall adds another burden for an already > heavy office. By my read, the judge is the first one subjected to the new SHALL, and

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:20 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I cause myself to receive a welcome package For obvious reasons, I believe this actually failed. However, I also believe it nominally failed, even if the rules were as they should have been. CuddleBeam’s, ah, creative application of rules 869

DIS: Re: BUS: Stamp send

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 12, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > I transfer my Stamp (the only one I have) to o. So, I’m not completely sure this worked. I’m in the middle of adjudicating your previous action wrt this stamp: On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:27 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > If it is possible for me to do a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7872-7875

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > I claim the reward for being the author of an adopted proposal, > receiving 3 shinies. That reward is only applicable to "proposals that were pended via spending shinies” - rule 2496. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with Op

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7872-7875

2017-09-12 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > 7874* o 2.0 Shorter Apologies o 3 sh. Okay, _now_ I claim the 3 sh. reward for authoring this proposal, and the 3 sh. reward for pending it. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: [very early proto/idea] Inter-Nomic Currency

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
Go on, tell us what you _really_ think of the Euro. -o > On Sep 11, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Nicholas Evans wrote: > > Using tge same cyrrency for distinct markets with distinct financial controls > is usually a bad idea in the real world where people are incentivized to > maintain it. It'll be wors

Re: DIS: [very early proto/idea] Inter-Nomic Currency

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 11, 2017, at 5:05 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > Idea: a “universal” currency that can be used across Nomics. I’d propose the > name as “Subers,” but I’m not super attached to that. I’d implement it such > that each Suber always belongs to one nomic. A nomic may internally allocate > t

DIS: Central Bank Proto

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
A Loan is an indestructible liquid asset. The Secretary/Treasuror is the recordkeepor of Loans. Loans may be owned by players, organizations/contracts, or Agoran Institutions. A Loan has a principal and a maturity date. The Loan Value is calculated from the Floating Value in some fashion that se

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:45 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to > start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens. > > Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd > love to see people op

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Test of Confidence

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:45 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > I'm sorry. I'm in rather a bad mood today, but that's no excuse. I was > far too harsh in my message, and I apologise to you and anyone else > I've been rude to. > > I do disapprove of blanket votes for the reasons I discussed, but > th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P > > No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome > Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's just > too much in comparison to th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more > than that is a tad extreme, no? Look at the current situation. We have, nominally, 1k shinies. As of the start of the week, over 90% of them were in the hands of

DIS: Re: BUS: Rewards

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:23 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I register > > I cause myself to receive a Welcome Package from Agora. Even under the fixed Welcome Package rules, no, you don’t. As of the moment I published the report, Agora had 114 sh.. I claimed 15, leaving Agora with 99 sh.. I caus

DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
The following is not a claim of error. > On Sep 12, 2017, at 1:16 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 114. > > This week: > > * Pending a proposal costs 1 AP or 6 sh. > * Calling for judgement, if a player, costs 1 AP or 6 sh. >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 12:40 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> 7887* Aris 3.0 SLR Ratification Aris1 sh. >> >> AGAINST. >> >> I’m strongly pro-rules

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is #fashionable #trendy #fabulous

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 12:27 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > "Unless modified by an asset's backing document, ownership of an asset is > restricted to Agora, persons, and organizations." > > I am RETARDED lol. > > Please disregard the message below lol. You may want to explicitly withdraw the prop

DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 11, 2017, at 12:32 AM, Josh T wrote: > I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in > publishing the September Monthly Agency report. I believe that there is presently no such player. That leaves me in an awkward situation, as I must both card someone and call th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Improved Buoyancy

2017-09-11 Thread Owen Jacobson
I realize this is a bit late, since the proposal in question has been distributed, but: On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 4:10 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > I retract the proposal "Improved Buoyancy". I submit the following proposal. > > -Aris > > --- > Title: Improved Buoyancy v2 > Adoption index: 2.0 > A

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

2017-09-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I'm not entirely sure how many shinies I have right now but I believe I > should have 66 (Welcome Package [50] + Gaelan Transfer [10] + o Transfer [7] > - Stamp Purchase [1] = 66) > > If I have 66 shinies right now, I pledge to give my Sta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

2017-09-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Josh T wrote: > > Oh well, I had fun writing my blurb. It was kind of hard to not use common > words like "the" or "of". > > 天火狐 I rather liked your blurb. You picked an interesting writing challenge to riff on. Thank you for writing it. -o signature.asc D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Card Reform and Expansion v2

2017-09-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:46 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > "When a player Points a Finger, the investigator SHALL investigate the > allegation and, in a timely fashion, SHALL conclude the investigation > by: > > issuing a Card to the pointed-at player by announcement whose reason > is rooted in the alleg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Proletarian Revolution

2017-09-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:15 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Doesn't this incentivise not having any money and spending all you get > quickly on other things? > > Huh, working as intended then I guess. Yup, exactly. It’s a nuclear lottery: accumulating a critical mass of shinies will eventually cause you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Billy Mays Here

2017-09-09 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 3:03 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > " An Agency is a document empowering persons to act on behalf of >another player. A player CAN establish an Agency With 24 hours >Notice, and thereby become its Director, by specifying the >properties of the new Agency, p

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
I retract the proposal “Restraining Bolt” and submit the following proposal in its place. Title: Restraining Bolt Author: o Co-authors: V.J Rada, Ørjan AI: 2.0 {{{ Amend rule 103 ("The Speaker") by replacing the second paragraph with: {{{ The player or players who have most

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Restraining Bolt

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:08 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Can you change the MAYs in agencies and Rewards to by announcement so > that by adopting yours in conjunction w/ mine and ors, they're fixed? I plan to vote against your proposal, if it reaches that point. The Mother, May I? framework is so deep

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:39 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > >> Nope the text for CAN is this: " >> >> CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's >> all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an argument >> that you can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Mother, Can I?

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 9, 2017, at 1:04 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Nope the text for CAN is this: " > > CAN: Attempts to perform the described action are successful.". That's > all. So this is just mirroring that. If you want to make an argument > that you can do anything with a CAN in private, sure. What the e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposals

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:01 AM, V.J Rada wrote: >> I pend the following w/ AP (I have none left this week, having called >> a CFJ on my playerhood) >> Title: No messin' with Stamps >> AI: 1 >> Amend rule 2498 "Economic Wins" by removing

Re: DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Having caught up - y’all are exhaustingly fast, you know that? - I think it’s > time to start drafting the fixes in earnest. > > Some basic principles: > > 1. The actions undertaken so far were undertaken in

DIS: Shinies and Stamps Omnibus Fix Thread

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
Having caught up - y’all are exhaustingly fast, you know that? - I think it’s time to start drafting the fixes in earnest. Some basic principles: 1. The actions undertaken so far were undertaken in broadly good faith with respect to the transactional nature of the current economic rules, and p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [RWO] Stamp Cleanup

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 4:02 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > AP is unambiguous throughout the "timelines", so just making/pending a fix > proposal with that would be the clearest way imo. > > Also I've seen that Owen has made a bunch of cheap proposals, which could > make for huge profits once the ec

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Agoran Offices: Should there be more of them?

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > pick op Cards > > Proto: Royal Flush > When you possess all different card colors, you win the game This made me laugh far harder than it should have. If it didn’t mean incentivizing serious rule-breaking, including rulebreaking in offici

DIS: Re: BUS: The return of Fear

2017-09-08 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Re-enact Rule 2309 (The Propose-O-Matic), with the following text: > > The Fearmongor is an Office. Its holder is responsible for > ensuring the continuous change of the ruleset. > > Each month, the Fearmongor SHALL do the foll

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > <<<2017-08-24 ! K deregistered > > Don't think you can invalidate this. Although it may have had the > effect of making the amount of shinies somewhere illegal, it's always > possible to deregister and making K a player against eir will would be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:50 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> This appears to be more valid, though I’ll still need to sanity-check it. >> Notably, several rewards which I had previously thought would be invalidated >&g

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:37 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:32 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >> >>> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:28 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >>> >>> If stamp creation is found by the CFJ to be invalid, what

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:32 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:28 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> If stamp creation is found by the CFJ to be invalid, what happens? > > I start invalidating transactions that either affect stamps or decrease

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:28 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > If stamp creation is found by the CFJ to be invalid, what happens? I start invalidating transactions that either affect stamps or decrease Agora’s balance, until I find a solution that leaves Agora with a positive balance at all times, and whi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:21 AM, Kyle Anderson wrote: > > Just as an aside, this shit is crazy. Pardon my French. It makes me wonder > how many players know of issues in the rules similar to this and are just > waiting for the right time to exploit them. > > K At one point, before the ratifica

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 12:15 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Kyle Anderson wrote: >> >> I hate to be annoying, but will someone explain to me what just happened >> with stamps? I've read through the posts, but I'm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Kyle Anderson wrote: > > I hate to be annoying, but will someone explain to me what just happened with > stamps? I've read through the posts, but I'm confused at why they no longer > exist. I thought that the scam did not succeed, though I'm not entirely sure >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
at 5:09 AM, VJ Rada >> > <mailto:vijar...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> i mean, that's why ratification exists. > >> >> > >> >> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Cuddle Beam >> >> <mailto:cuddleb...@gmail.com>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
t's why ratification exists. > > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Cuddle Beam <mailto:cuddleb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Knowingly including inaccurate information doesn't feel right to me. > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 4:53 AM, Owen Jacobson

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:47 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Let's just ratify everyone who we thought had stamps into having them. Not objecting to my last Stamps Addendum or my last weekly Secretary’s report will do that, thankfully. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:35 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I was about to mention that lol. Basically: Stamps are gone, or stamps are > gone. > > I think it's possible to just recalculate each person's true balance based on > Secretary info. The creation of Stamps were just bogus (would your insigh

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7869-7871

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > I CFJ on the following statement, paying Agora 1 sh. to do so: "The > above-quoted part of Proposal 7871 had no effect.” I’ve been spending aggressively today for a few reasons, which I thought I’d share for discuss

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Agoran Offices: Should there be more of them?

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 7, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, V.J Rada wrote: > >> Agora has many offices. But are there enough? Probably not. > > I intend to award V.J. Rada a D.N.Phil. with 2 Agoran Consent. I support. -o (Distribution list chosen carefully.) signature.asc Descr

Re: DIS: Proto: Cards are liquid Assets

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > How about it? Currently, via Agencies, the blame for a certain action goes on > who is puppeteered via the Agency, not the puppet-master (I think it may work > the same with Contracts but I haven't read the latest draft yet but I'm eager > to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 9:07 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Ratify the floating value, pretending it's always worked? Ratify all values the Floating Value switch has taken, just to be sure. I actually have records. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> I believe the guiding CFJ is CFJ 2412 >> <https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?2412>: >> >> >> I should read m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: > > I believe for a good of Agora reason, we shouldn’t allow it to be tied > together and must require to explicit CANs. I tend to agree. If a player fails to complete a SHALL, they’ve broken the rules. This is pointless

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>>>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Kerim Aydin > <mailto:ke...@u.washington.edu>> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>>> Players MAY, by announcem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> Players MAY, by announcement, destroy a Stamp and cause Agora to transfer >>> the Stamp Value, in shinies, to em. > > I wondered about this but I di

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> Players MAY, by announcement, destroy a Stamp and cause Agora to transfer >>> the Stamp Value, in shinies, to em. > > I wondered about this but I di

Re: DIS: protest voting intention

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
t 2:31 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > <mailto:p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com>> wrote: > I like this. > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > <mailto:p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> > > > > > On Sep 7, 2017, a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stamp CAN patches

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:19 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > >I pay Agora 1 sh. to pend this proposal. > > Philosophical hocus pocus but you have pretty much paid the action of > performing that very payment itself (or at least part of the payment is), > because Agora itself is: "a game of Nomic, whe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer cashes in your stamps

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > $ echo 'It is possible to win by destroying Stamps in the possession of > others' | shasum -a 256 > 204aa33ed7c42e58d6f391b3878dc89738c8a1bb95b39b3ebcda2609c1fabe3c - On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:55 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: humble agoran farmer cashes in your stamps

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:58 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > Seeing as I have to recordkeep the damn thing, I also so pledge. Gaelan, can > you send that my way, as well? My From: address is fine. > > Note that I am already in possession of informati

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposal(s) 7872-7875

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> 7874* o 2.0 Shorter Apologies o 3 sh. I claim a reward of 1 sh. for authoring this proposal, and a reward of 1 sh. for pending it. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Stamp CAN patches

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:40 PM Owen Jacobson <mailto:o...@grimoire.ca>> wrote: > I submit the following proposal, and pay Agora 1 sh. to pend it. > > Title: Stamp CAN Patch > Author: o > Co-Au

DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Stamp destruction

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > >> OK, I’m just gonna do the scam properly so I can stop keeping secrets and >> whatnot. >> >> For each player by reverse order of first registratio

Re: DIS: protest voting intention

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > >> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >>> It doesn't take 30 days due to a bug. >> [...] >>>

Re: DIS: protest voting intention

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Thu, 7 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> It doesn't take 30 days due to a bug. > [...] >> I'd think about doing so as a protest; the difficulty towards casual >> player economic participation has been pointed out and so far in >> conve

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Agoran Offices: Should there be more of them?

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Quazie wrote: > > I retract the quoted pledge. I’m not sure this means anything. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 4:06 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 00:52 -0700, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> The reason I have seen is public now (I made an attempt). The events >> went down something like this, AFAIK: > > My reason was different, and I don't see any reason not to make it > p

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal: Comment plz

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:45 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Title: Economy time timey time > AI: 1 > Make Agora's balance 200 shinies. > Amend the sentence {{Players MAY, by announcement, destroy a Stamp and > cause Agora to transfer the Stamp Value, in shinies, to em.}} in the > rules to {{Players MAY, b

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
ions which haven't been exhaustively >> specific either, yet have worked (because they were evaluable), so I'll just >> let it sit as it is for now. Tomorrow I can make it better if needed (unless >> someone wants to try this same thing before me lo, believing tha

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Agoran Offices: Should there be more of them?

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:32 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > Another thing I was considering doing was getting Quazie certiorari to > whatever CFJ I please, but unfortunately that gives everyone else a > day to judge that CFJ using QAZ against my wishes. Careful timing with that would minimize the risk: “

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Thesis] Agoran Offices: Should there be more of them?

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:16 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > Quazie, keep in mind that pledges are a SHALL. Worst case, you get carded. I am inclined to lighten the penalties for pledges made or broken through agencies, where I can, unless the head of the agency either clearly invited the breach or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Crowdsourcing the reportor (and [Reportor] Report)

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:34 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > > if retraction does not work, quazie (or anyone else) can always state > 24 hours notice for amending or destroying the agency in a way that > doesn't make me own quazie, but that will still leave a small time > window in which I own quazie. Thi

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Clearing up the game state

2017-09-07 Thread Owen Jacobson
It’s much less of a nightmare than you might imagine, but if Gaelan _hasn’t_ publicly identified the failure and if either of you had spend shinies, recordkeeping across several offices would have gotten very complex very quickly. The answer to your question is 36 shinies. Nine stamps existed a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Revised report

2017-09-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2017-09-07 at 06:43 +1000, V.J Rada wrote: >> Sorry yeah, I do accept this as true (sorry I got the rules wrong last >> night) but because PSS is interested in fighting it I call a CFJ with >> the statement "G is the Herald". He deputis

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

2017-09-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 6, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:36 AM, Alex Smith wrote: > >>> Repeal rule 2457 ("Lockout"). >> >> This isn't technically tied to Organizations, but I agree with >> repealing it anyway just because it's likely to become a dead-end >> mechanic with

DIS: Re: BUS: Reward

2017-09-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:13 AM, V.J Rada wrote: > I receive a reward for my revised ADoP report. I go from 0 to 5 shinies. If CuddleBeam’s mass destruction of Shinies worked, then Agora had exactly zero shinies at this time and this didn’t work. I’d very much appreciate if neither of you spent any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Not so cuddly now

2017-09-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:32 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > Consent, not support. This requires 60%. Oh, so it does. I retract my complaint - the two looked the same at first glance. > Thanks for the reminder; I pend this with AP. > > P.S. To clarify: this is not an attempt to kick out Cuddle or

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Not so cuddly now

2017-09-06 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 12:56 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > I create the following proposal “Not So Cuddly Now” with AI 1 by Gaelan: { > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave > Agora > index 4683d3d..962eb2c 100644 > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora > +

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps for sale

2017-09-05 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:30 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > i misremembered the date didn't i? On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:31 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > well i have 1 try but it's pretty dumb. otherwise i guess i'll do so on the > 11th. It’s not that. I had been looking at Agora’s balance and thinking that you h

Re: DIS: Draft: Contracts

2017-09-05 Thread Owen Jacobson
I read this last night, slept on it, skimmed it again, and read the replies. Here’s my initial thoughts, thin as they are - I had more, but Gaelan and ais523 have already covered most of my inquiries. On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:10 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > My proposal has three parts. Part 1 clea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 10:42 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > We all have to determine current shiny balances (more recent than the last > report) every once and a while. Making that more painful than necessary gets > a thumbs down from me. I had not considered that. You’re right, of course. -o

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stamps for sale

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 10:00 PM, V.J Rada wrote: > > I pledge to buy one for 10 shinies after registering, which I can and > will do on the 8th. That’s going to be an interesting challenge for you. I’m looking forward to seeing how you plan to do that. -o signature.asc Description: Message s

DIS: Re: BUS: Monsters

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I create the following proposal and pend it with 1 Action Point: > > - Title: Monsters > > - Content: Create a rule that titled "Monsters" and with the following > content: > > "Monsters are entities that exist within Estates and are track

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Random grab, an old version: > > Rule 1941/3 (Power=1) > Fees > > If the Rules associate a non-negative cost, price, charge, or > fee with an action, that action is a fee-based action. If the > specified cost is not an integer,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate auction, > for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun. Now that bidding has calmed down a bit, which of the several things that are different is the one that m

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Float On

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 17:11 -0700, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> To ideally reduce future confusion about the Floating Value, I submit >> the following proposal. > > This could really do with a definition of "spend&

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer makes 100 stamps

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> Be action Z) the following: Performing A), B) then C) twice (so A-B-C-A-B-C) > then creating a Stamp by transferring 10 Shinies to Agora This step, however, is ineffective, whether performed once or one hundred times: > Once per month, a player MAY, by announcement, transfer to Agora the Stam

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer makes 100 stamps

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > A) I perform the action of pledging to post a report on what is Cuddlebeam's > favorite icecream flavor in a timely fashion. > > B) The following below is a report > > ---*--- > REPORT ABOUT CUDDLEBEAM'S FAVORITE ICECREAM FLAVOR > by Cuddle

Re: DIS: Proto: Card Reform and Expansion

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 4, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2017-09-04 at 15:05 -0700, Aris Merchant wrote: >> I'm currently working on that unified contracts/orgs/agencies >> implementation I was talking about. I want non-player persons to be >> able to join contracts, which necessitates some p

Re: DIS: Proto: Card Reform and Expansion

2017-09-04 Thread Owen Jacobson
On Sep 4, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I'm currently working on that unified contracts/orgs/agencies > implementation I was talking about. I want non-player persons to be > able to join contracts, which necessitates some penalty for breaches. > This would also incidentally also fix t

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