Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:55 AM nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ok I think these are the newest and current versions of these proposals in the > pool, minus Vote Manipulation. Apologies if I make comments that are redundant > with discussion, the comments on these have gotten a bit sprawling.

Re: Discussion of Honor (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:13 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:20 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 6/3/2020 11:23 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/3/2020 11:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > A player SHALL

Re: Discussion of Honor (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:13 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > On the other hand, is it even a good idea to discourage > people from producing unpopular or inadvisable proposals? A proposal, is, > at the end of the day, an option, and can always be voted down. Exactly! So we're agreed that

Re: Discussion of Honor (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:13 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:20 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > > On 6/3/2020 11:23 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM

Re: Discussion of Honor (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-04 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, June 4, 2020 2:13:33 PM CDT Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > It is in fair part my fault for using proposals rather than protos for > ideas. Ideally, a proposal should signify "this is ready for voting" and a > proto should signify "this is an idea that is ready for

Discussion of Honor (was Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process)

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:20 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/3/2020 11:23 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 6/3/2020 11:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread nch via agora-discussion
Ok I think these are the newest and current versions of these proposals in the pool, minus Vote Manipulation. Apologies if I make comments that are redundant with discussion, the comments on these have gotten a bit sprawling. On Thursday, June 4, 2020 1:00:56 AM CDT Aris Merchant via

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> [ > As a side note, I've noticed recently there's a bit of divergence about > how people treat the importance of Notices of Honour. I've mostly thought > of NoHs as "expressing mild annoyance" rather than anything more serious > (though sometimes I mis-judge the tone in the justification). But

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 12:20 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >> And besides, we already criminalize intent. We do that by making it illegal >> to intentionally lie to mislead. > > That doesn't help much, because that one was also in large part my fault. I like the reform direction R. Lee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 16:06:12 GMT+1, nch wrote: > I've noticed this dichotomy too. I was originally planning to award a victory > card to the person with highest honor every week but I got the impression some > people would be against gamifying honor so I backed down on it. Honour only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Thursday, June 4, 2020 9:18:52 AM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > [ > As a side note, I've noticed recently there's a bit of divergence about > how people treat the importance of Notices of Honour. I've mostly thought > of NoHs as "expressing mild annoyance" rather than anything

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread ATMunn via agora-discussion
On 6/4/2020 3:20 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:14 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:24 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin via

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 11:23 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> On 6/3/2020 11:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> A player SHALL NOT cast a ballot or induce another person to do so in a >>> way primarily intended to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:48 AM Rebecca via agora-business wrote: > > I create this proposal > > Title: This is not unlike defamation law > AI 1 > Chamber: Justice > Text: Amend rule 2471 "No Faking" so that it states > A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that (1) is a statement of pure >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:13 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:24 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/2020 11:00 PM,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 2:01 AM Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:19 PM Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Title: Properly Prioritized Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege > > Title: Referenda > I retract these proposals. > > I submit the following proposals. > > -Aris >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:14 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:24 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 6/3/2020 11:00

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:24 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > > > > > On 6/3/2020 11:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > > A player SHALL NOT cast a ballot or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 10:36 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On 6/3/2020 9:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: >>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> >>> proposal when resolving it. Players SHOULD NOT attempt to game

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-04 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:36 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:04 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > > On 6/3/2020 9:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > > >> > > > > > proposal when

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 10:04 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/3/2020 9:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > >> > > > proposal when resolving it. Players SHOULD NOT attempt to game popularity. > > > > Can we

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:04 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/3/2020 9:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > >> > > > proposal when resolving it. Players SHOULD NOT attempt to

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 9:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:03 PM Aris Merchant wrote: >> > proposal when resolving it. Players SHOULD NOT attempt to game popularity. > Can we be a bit less moralistic about trying to game, well, a game?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:27 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion wrote: > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:02 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: > > > > I submit the following proposals. > > > > -Aris > > --- > > Title: Order-Independent Resolutions > > Adoption index: 1.0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On 6/3/2020 1:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > The player who proposed the proposal with the greatest F/A, as > > defined in rule 955, > > Can I just comment that I think our unofficial style guide

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:02 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > I submit the following proposals. > > -Aris > --- > Title: Order-Independent Resolutions > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: > > Amend the rule entitled "Popular Proposal Proposer Privilege" > by changing it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 1:24 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 6/3/2020 1:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > > The player who proposed the proposal with the greatest F/A, as > > defined in rule 955, > > Can I just comment that I

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposals] Aris Reshapes the Legislative Process

2020-06-03 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 6/3/2020 1:02 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > The player who proposed the proposal with the greatest F/A, as > defined in rule 955, Can I just comment that I think our unofficial style guide should avoid rules referring to other rules by number? (except maybe for one-off