Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: IADoP CAN and SHALL

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Sgeo wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:32 PM, comexcom...@gmail.com wrote:      A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable by      spending 1 Note. I spend a G# note to make this Distributable.  I flip my key to G. I really don't like this. It makes it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Two Actions

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 22:43 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartz zeckal...@gmail.com wrote: I understood that. To clarify: How soon after a player CFJs is the CFJ typically listed on the CotC page? When Murphy

DIS: Re: BUS: NoVs

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I publish an NoV alleging that Murphy violated Rule 1868, a power-2 rule, by failing to assign a judge to CFJ 2547 as soon as possible. Looks like I spoke too soon if it's been a week... -G.

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 judged NOT GUILTY by Taral

2009-06-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 23:02 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: = Criminal Case 2480 = Appeal: 2480a Decision: REMAND Judge: Taral Judgement:

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 judged NOT GUILTY by Taral

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Rodlen wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk mailto:ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 23:02 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: = Criminal Case 2480 = Appeal:

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 judged NOT GUILTY by Taral

2009-06-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 23:14 -0700, Rodlen wrote: I do that rest destruction stuff. Unfortunately, you need the support of the other two panelists. Intend to do it, and you can do it if the other two agree. (Which they have to; Agora is weird and/or strange sometimes. They have to do it, but you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Speedy trials?

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2009/6/5 Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/6/5 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Legitimately as in you overlooked a message? http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2009-May/006402.html Arguments on

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 judged NOT GUILTY by Taral

2009-06-06 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 23:21 -0700, Rodlen wrote: Okay, I hereby consent to that rest destruction stuff. Oh dear, now we're going to have an argument about what unanimous Support of the panel's other members in rule 2157 means. Just to make things unambiguous, could you intend, with unanimous

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2537 assigned to OscarMeyr

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: = Criminal Case 2537 = Wooble violated R2202 and committed the Class-8 Crime... Er, looks like arguments leaped in from a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2547 assigned to G.

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: == CFJ 2547 == Yally created a pledge in the above message I recuse myself from this case. Apologies, will

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2537 assigned to OscarMeyr

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
G. wrote: Er, looks like arguments leaped in from a different case starting halfway down... Hopefully OscarMeyr isn't required to make sense of those... :) Not sure how that happened, but in any case 2537 and 2545 have been fixed in the DB.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2547 assigned to G.

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: I recuse myself from this case. Apologies, will let someone else sort out subject lines. Note: I previously favored this one: http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2009-May/020706.html I actually changed the random suggestion

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2561-65 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-06 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: I judge CFJs 2561-2565 FALSE, citing the evidence given and the third paragraph of R869:       A first-class person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or   prevented by the rules) register by announcing

DIS: proto: Constituencies

2009-06-06 Thread Charles Walker
{ AI 2, II 2 [ This allows players to choose Representatives through contracts, who can vote on their behalf in decisions Create a new power 2 Rule: {{ A Constituency is a public contract identifying itself as such. A Constituency requires at least 3 parties. A player SHALL NOT attempt to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Senators

2009-06-06 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Yally wrote: I intend, without 2 objections, to flip the II of the Promotor office to 3. Distributability on its own, IMO, warrants this change; messages like this one make it even more appropriate.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2561-65 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-06 Thread Kyle Marek-Spartz
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Charles Walkercharles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: I judge CFJs 2561-2565 FALSE, citing the evidence given and the third paragraph of R869:       A first-class person CAN (unless explicitly forbidden or   prevented by the rules) register by announcing that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2561-65 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-06 Thread Kyle Marek-Spartz
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: e registers,   wishes to register, requests registration, or requests   permission to register. I registers, wish to register, request registration, or requests permission to register. Kyle Marek-Spartz -

Re: DIS: proto: Constituencies

2009-06-06 Thread Charles Walker
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com wrote: { AI 2, II 2 [ This allows players to choose Representatives through contracts, who can vote on their behalf in decisions I didn't finish this description, so here's a completed one: [ This allows

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2553, 2556 assigned to Rodlen

2009-06-06 Thread Rodlen
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: I judge both CFJ 2553 and CFJ 2556 TRUE. Ignoring the non-animal meaning of pig, some pigs fly. The inflatable pigs used in the live shows of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2548 assigned to ehird

2009-06-06 Thread comex
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/6 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2548 ==  CFJ 2548  ==    Proposal 6335 had the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2548 assigned to ehird

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
comex wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Elliott Hirdpenguinoftheg...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/6/6 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2548 == CFJ 2548 == Proposal

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2544 assigned to Tiger

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/6/6 Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com: I judge TRUE. -- -Tiger I intend to appeal this with two support because SERIOUSLY? I support.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2480 judged NOT GUILTY by Taral

2009-06-06 Thread Taral
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Alex Smithais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I remind the appeals panel in CFJ 2480a ({Wooble, Rodlen, Tiger}) that they CAN and SHALL destroy the 4 rests I own: {{{      If a verdict or sentence that led to      the creation of Rests is overruled, remanded, or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2548 assigned to ehird

2009-06-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/6/6 comex com...@gmail.com: Then did the amendment take place, or was it just entirely too vague? I'll say yes, it worked (but my Pedantic Hat says no).

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2557 assigned to ehird

2009-06-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/6/6 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: I intend, with 2 support, to appeal this judgment as homonyms (and hence the bad puns used here) are not a valid means of interpreting a statement. Typo rule, you... you uncouth... person!

DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Elliott Hird
This is ridiculously easy money.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: This is ridiculously easy money. Only if your guess is one of the closest. The more contestants, the larger the prize, but the less likely (assuming all guesses are equally likely to be accurate) that any given player will get it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2544 assigned to Tiger

2009-06-06 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/6 Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com: Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/6/6 Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com: I judge TRUE. -- -Tiger I intend to appeal this with two support because SERIOUSLY? I support. I really couldn't find any other way of reading that rule that made as much sense

DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest awards

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Geoffrey Spear wrote: I destroy 10+10i points in my own possession Huh?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest awards

2009-06-06 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Geoffrey Spear wrote: I destroy 10+10i points in my own possession Huh? It's my act of repentance.

DIS: Re: BUS: Fantasy Rules Contest awards

2009-06-06 Thread Taral
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I destroy 10+10i points in my own possession Weirdest Action of the Week. -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2569 assigned to Wooble

2009-06-06 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/6/6 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: I personally believe that if time did have a beginning it was more than 100 years ago that it began Around 6000 FYI.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2569 assigned to Wooble

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: 2009/6/6 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com: I personally believe that if time did have a beginning it was more than 100 years ago that it began Around 6000 FYI. OVER 9000

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2555 assigned to BobTHJ

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: I recuse myself from this case and (if possible) increase it's interest index to 2. Doing it directly requires without N objections [R2225(1)], but its II was 1 and your rank is 1 so your recusal had the side effect of increasing its II [R2225(2)].

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2553, 2556 assigned to Rodlen

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Rodlen wrote: However, the regular English definition could very well also be said to be the definitions of each word applied to make a phrase. No.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: s/object/either

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 3 support, or without objection, or by spending 1 Note. Why bother with distributability then. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: s/object/either

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 3 support, or without objection, or by spending 1 Note. Why bother with distributability then. -G. To avoid going through the motions for proposals that no one else is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2544 assigned to Tiger

2009-06-06 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I really couldn't find any other way of reading that rule that made as much sense as the one I ruled about. Your alleged office is part of your alleged identity the way I see it. I CFJ on:

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: s/object/either

2009-06-06 Thread Benjamin Caplan
Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: Proposal: s/object/either (AI = 2, please) Amend Rule 1607 (The Promotor) by replacing the sentence beginning A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with the following sentence: A player CAN flip a specified

DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 12:42, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Guesses for May 25-31 Proposals CFJs --- Tue 19 May 13:21:18 BobTHJ20 17 Tue 19

DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/7 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: Sean Hunt wrote: I guess 7 proposals and 13 CFJs for next week. 5 proposals, 10 CFJs. Pavitra If I haven't already guessed, I guess 10 proposals, 19 CFJs -- -Tiger

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545 assigned to coppro

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com mailto:aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com mailto:aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545 assigned to coppro

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: I appeal this judgment. This appeal seems to have been ignored by the CotC. I had the message filed in a might-appeal-with-support subfolder, had missed that you appealed unilaterally. Will process later tonight.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: s/object/either

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: I support. NttPF

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: I guess 10 proposals and 10 CFJs. NttPF

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: I guess 10 proposals and 10 CFJs. And you guessed already on June 2, anyway.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: If I haven't already guessed, I guess 10 proposals, 19 CFJs NttPF and you also already guessed on June 2.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2569 assigned to Wooble

2009-06-06 Thread Kyle Marek-Spartz
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I personally believe... I appeal based on the following: R1727 points out that the game was not called Agora until much later, which goes against the Agora began on June 30th, 1993 argument. R104 does cause Michael to be

DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: I reatract my previous guesses and guess 11 proposals and 9 CFJs. The contract doesn't recognize retraction. Feel free to propose changing that; it would change the dynamic somewhat.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/7 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: Tiger wrote: I reatract my previous guesses and guess 11 proposals and 9 CFJs. The contract doesn't recognize retraction.  Feel free to propose changing that; it would change the dynamic somewhat. I'll think about it. For now I'll just be happy

DIS: Re: OFF: [Anarchist] Anarchist Anarchy

2009-06-06 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.comwrote: The following proposal constitutes the Anarchists weekly duties. Anarchist Anarchy AI=1, II=0 (( Repeal Rule 2216 (The repeal-o-matic) )) This message was sent Fri 6 May These duties were last fulfilled Sun

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Anarchist] Anarchist Anarchy

2009-06-06 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/6/7 Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: The following proposal constitutes the Anarchists weekly duties. Anarchist Anarchy AI=1, II=0 (( Repeal Rule 2216 (The repeal-o-matic) )) This message was

DIS: Re: BUS: Cookie Jar awards

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Sean Hunt wrote: I guess 7 proposals and 13 CFJs for next week. 5 proposals, 10 CFJs. This was ttPF but you already guessed on June 2.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2544 assigned to Tiger

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Tiger wrote: 2009/6/7 Benjamin Caplan celestialcognit...@gmail.com: Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Jonatan Kilhamnjonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I really couldn't find any other way of reading that rule that made as much sense as the one I ruled about. Your alleged

DIS: Re: Fwd: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2569 assigned to Wooble

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
zeckalpha wrote: I appeal based on the following: You need 2 support (unilateral appeal only works for criminal and equity cases).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: s/object/either

2009-06-06 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 3 support, or without objection, or by spending 1 Note. Why bother with distributability then. -G. To avoid going through the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545 assigned to coppro

2009-06-06 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 17:36, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: Aaron Goldfein wrote: ~~~ Far to much quoting done here, omitted for brevity ~~~ This appeal seems to have been ignored by the CotC. NoV em for it, then. Please! Trim these messages before responding. BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2553, 2556 assigned to Rodlen

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Rodlen rodlenj...@gmail.com mailto:rodlenj...@gmail.com wrote: I judge both CFJ 2553 and CFJ 2556 TRUE. [snip] I intend, with two support, to appeal this judgement. As when pigs fly Which one? I'm treating this as ineffective due to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2574 assigned to ehird

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Aaron Goldfein wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com mailto:ride...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, with Support, to publish an NoV alleging that ehird violated Rule 2158, a power-2 rule, by assigning an inappropriate judgment to CFJ 2574's question on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545 assigned to coppro

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Please! Trim these messages before responding. Or at least quote using so my QuoteCollapse add-on will work.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2545 assigned to coppro

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: BobTHJ wrote: Please! Trim these messages before responding. Or at least quote using so my QuoteCollapse add-on will work. I do. It's the GMail guys who use tabs.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2561-65 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-06 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartzzeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: e registers,   wishes to register, requests registration, or requests   permission to register. I registers, wish to register,

DIS: Re: BUS: [3SR-DM] (i)nventory

2009-06-06 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Sean Huntride...@gmail.com wrote: This report is governed by 3-Scroll Rodney; a contest. =SCROLL EFFECTS= When performing the following actions, if I specify that I both award and revoke points from a

DIS: Re: BUS: [Cookie Jar] Report

2009-06-06 Thread Paul VanKoughnett
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Geoffrey Speargeoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Ed Murphyemurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Guesses for June 8-14           Proposals  CFJs I guess 40 CFJs and 7 proposals. I guess 20 CFJs and 9 proposals.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2561-65 assigned to c-walker

2009-06-06 Thread Sean Hunt
Paul VanKoughnett wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Kyle Marek-Spartzzeckal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Paul VanKoughnettallisp...@gmail.com wrote: e registers, wishes to register, requests registration, or requests permission to register. I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Cookie Jar] Report

2009-06-06 Thread Ed Murphy
allispaul wrote: I guess 20 CFJs and 9 proposals. NttPF