More on the word "change" specifically: it might be an ambiguous phrase in
general (it doesn't specify what the change is to) but it's not ambiguous
in agoran context. it appears in the "Contracts" rule, and "a contract"
appears later in the phrase itself, textually it can be interpreted as
On 6/23/20 5:22 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
> On 6/22/20 10:51 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to
>> become vacant.
>>
> I support.
>
> --
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus,
On 6/23/20 9:04 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> And if Jason does that, I'll oppose it, but right now you are PM. PM
> does have increased voting strength as a result of office interests.
You're right, I missed that last night. Still a poor reason to uninstall
On 6/23/20 10:15 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 9:13 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> I'm aware; in fact, I was planning to do this scam. Nevertheless, this
>> isn't "play[ing] the games we design for a bit first".
> Look, I'm 100% for you
On 6/23/20 9:50 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 5:22 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
> wrote:
>> On 6/22/20 10:51 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>>> I intend, with Agoran consent, to cause the office of Prime Minister to
>>> become vacant.
>>>
>>
On 6/10/20 3:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> I actually meant that out of mild frustration. Sets hasn't started and
> we're about to pass a gameplay tweak meant to 'fix' something that's
> supposedly wrong with it, and it's frustrating to see that the first
> thing anyone plans to do
On 6/23/20 10:03 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 9:00 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 9:50 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> On 6/23/20 5:22 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
>>> wrote:
On 6/22/20
On 6/23/20 10:03 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> The PM doesn't have increased voting strength. And I've already pledged
> to not blot someone else to decrease their strength. Jason plans to try
> to install a member of Dragon Corp as PM, then use that to help them win
> and install a
On 6/23/20 10:01 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 8:58 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> What I mean to say is that, to my mind, closing a loophole that allows a
>> scam clearly against the intent of the rules is a strict subset of
>> rectifying a bug.
>
> If it was
On 6/23/20 9:00 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 6/23/20 9:50 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 5:22 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
>> wrote:
>>> On 6/22/20 10:51 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
I intend,
On 6/23/20 10:07 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> You're right, I missed that last night. Still a poor reason to uninstall
> a recently elected official I think, I'm not abusing the office.
>
You're not abusing it, but you are clearly making advantageous use of it
to perpetrate a scam
On 6/23/2020 7:08 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On 6/23/20 10:07 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> You're right, I missed that last night. Still a poor reason to uninstall
>> a recently elected official I think, I'm not abusing the office.
>>
>
> You're not abusing it, but
On 6/23/20 10:10 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 9:08 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 10:07 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> You're right, I missed that last night. Still a poor reason to uninstall
>>> a recently elected
On 6/23/20 9:49 AM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> On 6/23/20 5:25 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> On 6/22/20 10:41 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>>> On 6/22/20 9:39 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:
I certify the proposal titled "Welcome Package Patch"
On 6/23/20 8:58 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> What I mean to say is that, to my mind, closing a loophole that allows a
> scam clearly against the intent of the rules is a strict subset of
> rectifying a bug.
If it was closing the loophole when there's no scam pending I'd agree.
On 6/23/20 9:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 6/10/20 3:06 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> I actually meant that out of mild frustration. Sets hasn't started and
>> we're about to pass a gameplay tweak meant to 'fix' something that's
>> supposedly
On 6/23/20 9:08 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 6/23/20 10:07 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> You're right, I missed that last night. Still a poor reason to uninstall
>> a recently elected official I think, I'm not abusing the office.
>>
> You're not
On 6/23/20 10:11 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 9:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>
> This isn't a result of any rules I wrote, it was pre-existing. You
> could've done this to the money win.
>
I'm aware; in fact, I was planning to do
On 6/23/20 9:13 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I'm aware; in fact, I was planning to do this scam. Nevertheless, this
> isn't "play[ing] the games we design for a bit first".
Look, I'm 100% for you stopping the scam. If the opposition stops it
that's fair
On 2020-06-23 01:41, Reuben Staley wrote:
I have no idea how well I articulated my thoughts. I was basically
writing my long-suppressed thoughts about Arcadia down as I remembered
them. If I think of anything else I'll continue this thread tomorrow.
Quick addendum: the second part all about
On 2020-06-23 01:41, Reuben Staley wrote:
That was the second problem: like with all Agoran economies, the
resources tied into the main game. But they had no alternate purposes.
Addendum 3: I brought up alternate purposes for assets but did not
expound at all. I think alternate purposes for
On 2020-06-22 18:14, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
It's generally agreed that the PAoaM economic model didn't work out.
I take slight issue with the way this is phrased. I would say that the
model itself is not flawed, but the implementation. I can easily see an
economy based on
On 2020-06-23 01:41, Reuben Staley wrote:
Even if Contracts had been more highly utilized back when Arcadia
happened, I don't think it would have fixed the towering walls to
progress for the uninitiated Arcadian. If you are just beginning, you
own no pipeline. If you want to get more paper to
On 6/23/20 12:13 AM, Ed Strange via agora-business wrote:
> I object
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:36 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/20 11:31 PM, omd via agora-business wrote:
>>> I intend, with 3 Agoran Consent, to enact the following
On 6/23/20 10:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
>
> On 6/23/2020 7:49 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> This scam doesn't actually grind out economy to a hault, or at least it
>> doesn't have to. When someone wins by victory points, cards and products
>> get reset but coins,
On 6/23/20 12:39 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> On 6/23/20 12:23 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 12:22 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
>>> Well, I guess someone has to.
>>>
>>> I CFJ: "If the person who sent the above message is a player, e cast
>>> a vote on Proposal 8442 in that message."
On 6/23/2020 7:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On 6/23/20 10:01 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 8:58 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> What I mean to say is that, to my mind, closing a loophole that allows a
>>> scam clearly against the intent of
I personally am happy to write a proposal to reset the economy (everyone's
assets) to the point they were right before the scam happens. so that
trading in the interim will still be rewarded.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:09 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>
On 6/23/2020 7:49 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> This scam doesn't actually grind out economy to a hault, or at least it
> doesn't have to. When someone wins by victory points, cards and products
> get reset but coins, blots, and assets created by contracts don't. That
> means there
On 6/23/20 9:56 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> I just noticed something about Rule 2624: After a reset, officers can't
> grant new cards if they had done so in the same month but prior to the
> reset. Is this by design?
No, unintended/expected. I just didn't
On 6/23/20 9:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
>
> On 6/23/2020 7:49 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>> This scam doesn't actually grind out economy to a hault, or at least it
>> doesn't have to. When someone wins by victory points, cards and products
>> get reset but coins,
On 6/23/20 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/2020 7:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 10:01 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> On 6/23/20 8:58 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
What I mean to say is that, to my mind, closing a
On 6/23/2020 7:57 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 9:53 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/23/2020 7:49 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> This scam doesn't actually grind out economy to a hault, or at least it
>>> doesn't have to. When someone wins by
On 6/23/2020 7:31 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 10:24 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/23/2020 7:03 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> On 6/23/20 10:01 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
On 6/23/20 8:58 AM, Publius Scribonius
On 6/23/20 8:49 AM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> I CFJ: Welcome Package Patch's sole function is not to minimally rectify
> a bug.
>
> Arguments: It does rectify a bug (although, again, it introduces a new
> one). But it was forced through to prevent a scam. R2626 says "A player
> SHALL NOT
This scam doesn't actually grind out economy to a hault, or at least it
doesn't have to. When someone wins by victory points, cards and products
get reset but coins, blots, and assets created by contracts don't. That
means there should still be incentive to buy/sell/trade. If it looks
like the
On 6/23/20 10:06 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> ok. I'll go ahead and plan for a week for something that's so uncertain
> that I might as well just wait it out. no, not gonna. That's my personal
> attitude and like it or not, somewhere in Economics 101 is the fact that
> uncertainty suppresses
> I transfer a voting card from omd to myself.
Nothing about omd's promise makes this text effective.
However, omd granted you a Voting Card when you cashed the promise, so
I think the end effect is what you intended.
- Falsifian
On Tuesday, 23 June 2020, 16:08:36 GMT+1, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
> ok. I'll go ahead and plan for a week for something that's so uncertain
> that I might as well just wait it out. no, not gonna. That's my personal
> attitude and like it or not, somewhere in Economics 101 is the
On 6/23/20 12:54 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:
> What's wrong here?
My understanding is that it reproduces an issue with the old auction
rules where it ends the minute it begins.
--
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great
On 6/23/20 12:16 PM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote:
> For what it's worth, I think that "manually" skunking this scam by proposal
> would be a reasonable way to resolve the circumstance; I doubt either the
> scamsters, nor the other players, would have a problem with the resulting
>
On 6/23/2020 10:21 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 12:16 PM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I think that "manually" skunking this scam by proposal
>> would be a reasonable way to resolve the circumstance; I doubt either the
>> scamsters, nor the
Top-posting because I'm not really replying to anything in particular.
I personally really enjoyed the idea of PAoaM, though I think I was
starting to lose interest in Agora in general around the time it was
being played. I don't exactly remember. Either way, I think it's a cool
idea and should
On 6/22/2020 9:53 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:
On 2020-06-22 17:48, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
On 6/22/20 7:38 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
3. TERMINATION:
* If there have been no bids placed on a Forward Auction for four
days, then that
On 6/23/20 5:38 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 14:04, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> On 6/23/20 10:03 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> The PM doesn't have increased voting strength. And I've already pledged
>>> to not blot someone else to
On 6/23/20 6:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 7:10 PM nch via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/20 5:38 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 14:04, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
>>> wrote:
On 6/23/20 7:21 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 6:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 7:10 PM nch via agora-discussion <
>> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/23/20 5:38 PM, James Cook via agora-business wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 7:22 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 7:21 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> > On 6/23/20 6:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, 7:10 PM nch via agora-discussion <
> >>
On 6/23/20 3:57 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
> Imagine, for a second, that you're a detective and you hear a man in
> another room say "I stole the painting!". You might whisper to your
> assistant "he's confessed that he's the thief!". Now imagine that your
> assistant told you
On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
> I publish the following Notice of Honour:
>+1 Agora (Agora has negative karma right now)
>-1 Unspecified Behavior (for being suspicious and mysterious and weird)
Does this actually "Specify any other player or Agora to lose karma"?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
> > I publish the following Notice of Honour:
> >+1 Agora (Agora has negative karma right now)
> >-1 Unspecified Behavior (for
On 6/23/20 3:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
>>> I publish the following Notice of Honour:
>>> +1 Agora
On 6/23/2020 1:34 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/23/20 3:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion <
>> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
I
On 6/23/20 1:59 PM, omd via agora-business wrote:
> I submit, but do not (as I think I cannot) pend, the following proposal:
You ought to have a Pending Card which you could pay to make a pendant
if you so choose.
--
nch
Prime Minister, Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager
On 6/23/20 4:15 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
>> I publish the following Notice of Honour:
>>+1 Agora (Agora has negative karma right now)
>>-1 Unspecified Behavior (for being suspicious and mysterious and weird)
>
> Does this actually
On 6/23/2020 11:46 AM, omd via agora-business wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:42 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business
> wrote:
>> If there exists no CFJ with the statement "If the person who sent the
>> above message is a player, e cast a vote on Proposal 8442 in that
>> message.", I initiate
On 6/23/2020 1:21 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion <
> agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/20 4:13 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:
>>> I publish the following Notice of Honour:
>>>+1 Agora
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:28 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
wrote:
>
>
> On 6/23/2020 11:46 AM, omd via agora-business wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 9:42 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business
> > wrote:
> >> If there exists no CFJ with the statement "If the person who sent the
> >> above
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 1:57 PM Aris Merchant
wrote:
> There's another way to argue this for by announcement actions though.
> You could argue that the actor is intrinsically part of the action, to
> the point where any unspecified actor voids the action. I disagree.
> Voting for a proposal is an
On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:20 PM grok via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business
> wrote:
> >
> > On 6/22/20 9:44 PM, Unspecified Behavior via agora-business wrote:
> > > I do not register, as I am already a player.
On 6/23/20 8:08 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:
> Worth a shot. I thought maybe sending it to all players (because that
> can count as a public action) would work a bit better, since that would
> subvert people's filters to not send Agoran messages to spam.
Because I use a completely
On 6/23/20 10:15 PM, Ed Strange via agora-discussion wrote:
> This is silly for the following reasons. Actions like "With T notice" are
> called, by the ruleset, DEPENDENT ACTIONS. What do these actions depend on?
> They depend on a specific set of conditions being met, in this case 7 days
>
On 6/23/20 7:29 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> I ditched the idea of Ready Proposals for something more similar to the
> old disinterested proposals system. The way this works is by calling
> proposals pended with pendants "sponsored" proposals, and making that a
> condition of getting the LC
This is silly for the following reasons. Actions like "With T notice" are
called, by the ruleset, DEPENDENT ACTIONS. What do these actions depend on?
They depend on a specific set of conditions being met, in this case 7 days
passing. What does it mean to depend on objections? To have, in the
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