DIS: Agora XX: The Rights of the Majority

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence. -- Walker

Re: DIS: Agora XX: The Rights of the Majority

2013-06-24 Thread Steven Gardner
I vote for that. Now, what's Rule 324? Where can I read the Agora XX Rules? -- Steve Gardner via mobile On 24 Jun 2013 18:18, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence. -- Walker

Re: DIS: Agora XX: The Rights of the Majority

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
There is a reasonably up-to-date copy at http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-discussion@agoranomic.org/msg30126.html Rule 324 is the transmuted version of Rule 110. -- Walker On 24 Jun 2013, at 10:38, Steven Gardner steven.gard...@monash.edu wrote: I vote for that. Now, what's Rule 324?

DIS: Re: Agora XX: Registration

2013-06-24 Thread Chuck Carroll
Hi Steve! Chuck From: agora-discussion [mailto:agora-discussion-boun...@agoranomic.org] On Behalf Of Steven Gardner Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 1:52 AM To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: DIS: Agora XX: Registration Happy 20th birthday, Agora. I register as a player of Agora

Re: DIS: Proposals 326-329

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Fool fool1...@gmail.com wrote: 326 (Chuck): I propose that rule 311 be amended by deleting the text “There is no other way to win.” 327 (Walker): I propose to amend Rule 310 by replacing inpermissible with impermissible. 328 (Walker): I propose to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3337 judged FALSE by G.

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I announce {{{I call a CFJ on the statement This is a CFJ.}}} I attempt to announce {{{I call a CFJ on the statement This is another CFJ.}}} Arguments: Clearly, just calling a CFJ by itself works. How many levels of

DIS: Agora XX: Proposal 330

2013-06-24 Thread Fool
Here I just number and repeat the one new proposal. Report shortly. -Dan 330 (Walker): I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence.

DIS: Agora XX: 8th report

2013-06-24 Thread Fool
Good day Agorans, Since last report, voting closed on proposals 324 and 325. Proposal 324 (Chuck) passed 4:0 with Walker, Chuck, scshunt, and Roujo voting FOR. This transmutes 110. Chuck gets 10 points by rule 302. Proposal 325 (Chuck) fails 2:2 with Chuck and Roujo FOR; scshunt and

DIS: Proposals

2013-06-24 Thread omd
I propose that Rule 214 be amended to read: The Speaker shall choose Judges randomly from the set of qualified players. The players qualified to judge a statement are the Speaker and those Voters who voted on the rule change whose voting period most recently ended, except for the player who

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3339 assigned to woggle. Good luck.

2013-06-24 Thread Tanner Swett
On Jun 23, 2013, at 9:33 PM, woggle wrote: I do not believe the truth value of undecidable iff not undecidable is well-defined -- especially in the presence of the implicit Liar's Paradox issue here -- so it would be most appropriate to interpret LIFF!L as also UNDECIDABLE. All right. That's

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2013-06-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On Jun 17, 2013 5:29 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: REGISTRAR'S REPORT CoE to this report and the one published today: Murphy is inactive. -scshunt

DIS: Re: OFF: [Sensei] What's going on in Okinawa?

2013-06-24 Thread Tanner Swett
I notice that this report is in HTML, but does not use pre tags around the tables, so if I'm looking at the HTML version of this message, the tables don't line up correctly. —Machiavelli

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Sensei] What's going on in Okinawa?

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 June 2013 14:52, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: I notice that this report is in HTML, but does not use pre tags around the tables, so if I'm looking at the HTML version of this message, the tables don't line up correctly. Apologies; I meant not to send it in HTML. I'd blame

DIS: Agora XX: Proposal

2013-06-24 Thread Steven Gardner
I submit the following proposal: Enact a new Rule which reads: Within 24 hours of this Rule being enacted, the Speaker shall publish the names and email addresses of all registered players of Agora XX. Steve -- Steve Gardner Research Grants Development Faculty of Business and Economics Monash

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal

2013-06-24 Thread Steven Gardner
I vote for this Proposal. On 25 June 2013 00:10, Steven Gardner steven.gard...@monash.edu wrote: I submit the following proposal: Enact a new Rule which reads: Within 24 hours of this Rule being enacted, the Speaker shall publish the names and email addresses of all registered players of

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Registration

2013-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 24 Sun 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Happy 20th birthday, Agora. I register as a player of Agora XX. Steve Steve!! Good morning from this timezone. (Now I'd better really catch up).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3337 judged FALSE by G.

2013-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Elliott Hird wrote: On 24 June 2013 12:58, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Arguments: I would say any number of wrappers would work. I define f(n) to be I attempt to announce {{{, followed by f(n+1), followed by }}}, whenever n ω, and f(ω) to be I call a CFJ on the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 19 June 2013 22:05, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 3. Massive Economic System (1999-2002); What was this like? In particular, what made it so massive compared to more recent economies that I've seen? -- Walker

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3337 judged FALSE by G.

2013-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Alex Smith wrote: On Sun, 2013-06-23 at 13:21 -0400, omd wrote: On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: For each colour of ribbon, I attempt to award

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote: On 19 June 2013 22:05, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 3. Massive Economic System (1999-2002); What was this like? In particular, what made it so massive compared to more recent economies that I've seen? Heh, I think I'll defer this

Re: DIS: Agora XX: my turn to CFJ (Judge: FSX)

2013-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 22 Jun 2013, Fool wrote: I call for judgement on the validity of proposal 322. See rule 105. 322 contains a conditional: 322 (Walker): - If the Rule initially numbered 106 is mutable, amend Rule 210 to read ... Judgement: First, a conditional Rule change is not a proper rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 16:24, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote: On 19 June 2013 22:05, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 3. Massive Economic System (1999-2002); What was this like? In particular, what made it so massive compared to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote: I'm amazed the game could support many different currencies and the secondary (never mind tertiary and quartenary) markets. I think that modern day Agora isn't active enough for that, but maybe if you build it, they will come. In Feb 2001 Agora

DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Amend Rule 2409 (Star Chamber) inserting - publish the list of codes (but not the corresponding options) as the second item in the bulleted list. [Allows the Assessor to know whether or not each vote cast is valid

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 18:37, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: This sort of three-fold action/house concept (Proposals, Voting, and Justice) with separate currencies was carried over into Cards, but I think over time, the paid systems have become more about buying general specific actions

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: No Judicial Double Dipping

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 20:36, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal and pay Y20 to increase its Distributability. Proposal: No Judicial Double Dipping (AI=2, PF=21) {{ Amend rule 2403 (Judicial Fees) by replacing: As soon as possible after a player or an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Voting Simplified

2013-06-24 Thread Charles Walker
On 24 Jun 2013, at 18:37, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: In Feb 2001 Agora was Slashdotted (just via high-placed comment). I think it doubled in two weeks, and peaked a little while later in the 30+ players (IIRC, maybe I'm exaggerating). The new players (like me) as a cohort

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:44 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Amend Rule 2409 (Star Chamber) inserting - publish the list of codes (but not the corresponding options) as the second item in the bulleted list.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 16:36 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: I have no issue with throwing in another code to be interpreted as PRESENT, or disabling voting period extension on Star Chamber. The current situation is bad though because only the initiator knows if the voting period is extended, and this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-24 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2013-06-24 at 16:36 -0400, Sean Hunt wrote: I have no issue with throwing in another code to be interpreted as PRESENT, or disabling voting period extension on Star Chamber. The current situation is bad though because

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Star cleanups

2013-06-24 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: (especially if the initiator is also the vote collector [whatever happened to the rule against that?]). FWIW, as the first person to be both Promotor and Assessor as long as I can remember (mainly because Murphy's

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Registration

2013-06-24 Thread Steven Gardner
Good to hear from you again, old friend. And to see other old-timers here, too. On 25 June 2013 00:34, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 24 Sun 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Happy 20th birthday, Agora. I register as a player of Agora XX. Steve Steve!! Good morning from

Re: DIS: Re: Agora XX: Registration

2013-06-24 Thread Steven Gardner
HI Chuck! How are we all doing? On 24 June 2013 21:29, Chuck Carroll games...@chuckcarroll.org wrote: Hi Steve! ** ** Chuck ** ** *From:* agora-discussion [mailto:agora-discussion-boun...@agoranomic.org] *On Behalf Of *Steven Gardner *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2013 1:52 AM

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal 330

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Norrish
I vote AGAINST 330. Michael On 24/06/13 22:09, Fool wrote: Here I just number and repeat the one new proposal. Report shortly. -Dan 330 (Walker): I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

DIS: Endgame XX

2013-06-24 Thread Sean Hunt
I propose the following rule: At 12:00 July 1 2013 UTC+1200, Agora XX ends and the player with the most points wins the game. In the event of a tie, the tied player who most recently had more points than each other tied player wins.

Re: DIS: Agora XX: The Rights of the Majority

2013-06-24 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence. -- Walker Against, based on a lack of suitable replacement.

Re: DIS: Agora XX: The Rights of the Majority

2013-06-24 Thread Flameshadowxeroshin
Against. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I propose to amend Rule 324 by deleting the first sentence. -- Walker Against, based on a lack of suitable replacement.

Re: DIS: Agora XX: Proposal

2013-06-24 Thread Flameshadowxeroshin
I vote for this proposal. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Steven Gardner steven.gard...@monash.edu wrote: I vote for this Proposal. On 25 June 2013 00:10, Steven Gardner steven.gard...@monash.edu wrote: I submit the following proposal: Enact a new Rule which reads: Within 24 hours of