DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-02-08 Thread Aris Merchant
Here's my weekly draft. D Margaux, you can stop worrying about deputizing for me now... -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quo

Re: DIS: Proto: Conditional Victory

2019-02-08 Thread Aris Merchant
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:58 PM Aris Merchant wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 2:28 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > When a Victory Announcement ratifies, or a judgement confirming > > > > the veracity of a victory announcement has been in effect and > > > > unappealed for one week the person(

DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer something something

2019-02-08 Thread Aris Merchant
This is incorrectly punctuated (see the large hole in the middle?) and doesn't mention a specific rule. The Promotor On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 12:38 AM Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Closing up a loophole for winning a bajillion times via Space Battles, > because once you win via Fame, your Fame isn't rese

Re: DIS: [Proto] Extend "amend"

2019-02-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 8 Feb 2019, Reuben Staley wrote: Title: Extend "amend" Amend Rule 105 (Power=3) 'Rule Changes' by removing items 3-6 in the ordered list and then adding to that list: 3. reenact a rule. A repealed rule not in the ruleset identified by its most recent rule number MUST be sp

DIS: [Proto] Extend "amend"

2019-02-08 Thread Reuben Staley
The mistake of conflating retitlings and amendments has been made many times recently, the most recent being by an experienced player, and one of the earlier ones breaking a minigame completely. Also, adding different property changes as separate rule changes is more time-consuming for your Rul

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Reuben Staley
On 2/8/19 6:56 PM, D. Margaux wrote: On Feb 8, 2019, at 8:53 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: Unfortunately, Markdown is rather limited in the types of lists it implements. It can do 1., 2., 3., but unless you have an extended markdown, it does not recognise parenthesized numbers or any kind of lette

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread D. Margaux
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 8:47 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > Actually, the markdown-compliance has been broken for a while, for example by > Rule 2531 as of revision 3. Ha! That was my fault too. I introduced those formatting issues. > On Feb 8, 2019, at 8:53 PM, Reuben Staley wrote: > > Unfor

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Reuben Staley
Unfortunately, Markdown is rather limited in the types of lists it implements. It can do 1., 2., 3., but unless you have an extended markdown, it does not recognise parenthesized numbers or any kind of letters. It does support *, -, and + for unordered lists. We can either have different lists

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Reuben Staley
Actually, the markdown-compliance has been broken for a while, for example by Rule 2531 as of revision 3. On 2/8/19 6:19 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: Yep, that would be me. And that is still nice (agora-ruleset.gaelan.me uses it), so I’d prefer that we keep that up. But if others think it’s fine,

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread D. Margaux
I think it’s confusing also because there is a second level list that uses the same numbering as the two top-level lists. Is that not possible to change? Maybe we could split the rule into two rules, which would fix the issue of having two top level lists with the same numbering system. But that

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Yep, that would be me. And that is still nice (agora-ruleset.gaelan.me uses it), so I’d prefer that we keep that up. But if others think it’s fine, it’s not a dealbreaker for me. Gaelan > On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > I am reminded that a previous Rulekeepor (Gaelan p

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I am reminded that a previous Rulekeepor (Gaelan perhaps?) made a number of formatting changes in order to make the Ruleset valid markdown, and I don't quite remember for sure, but that may be how this rule ended up with the confusion of two top-level lists with the same numbering scheme. I su

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Ooh, I wonder if it would be useful to have a “referendum” mechanism for non-binding* decisions. Maybe it’s overkill. Gaelan * Theresa Cannot’s opinion nonwithstanding > On Feb 8, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:30 AM Gaelan Steele wrote: >> Inline comment

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 10:30 AM Gaelan Steele wrote: > Inline comments. Also, G, this is a little problematic for the contest—I’m > required to propose a patch, but someone beat me to it. No worries from me! I think participation in someone else's fix proposal counts. I'm thinking the best way

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread D Margaux
On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:38 PM, D. Margaux wrote: >>> 1. A person (the initiator) published an announcement of intent to >>> perform the action within the 14 days preceding the action; >> >> Since 2 says 4-14, we could make this apply only to support and such. > > That would definitely wor

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread D. Margaux
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > Also, G, this is a little problematic for the contest—I’m required to > propose a patch, but someone beat me to it. > > Sorry! This wasn’t meant to interfere with that. I’ve been annoyed by the formatting of this rule for a while, a

Re: DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread Gaelan Steele
Inline comments. Also, G, this is a little problematic for the contest—I’m required to propose a patch, but someone beat me to it. Gaelan > On Feb 8, 2019, at 9:45 AM, D. Margaux wrote: > > Below is a protoproposal that is meant to address the bug that Gaelan > identified. I also noticed wha

DIS: Proto-Proposal - Dependent Action Cleanup

2019-02-08 Thread D. Margaux
Below is a protoproposal that is meant to address the bug that Gaelan identified. I also noticed what might be another bug--I believe, under the current first paragraph (1), an intent might fail if the player ever announced that same intent more than 15 days prior. So, arguably, if Gaelan ever an

Re: DIS: Suggestion for dealing with Defeated Spaceship repair bug

2019-02-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 2/8/2019 5:11 AM, D. Margaux wrote:>> On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:52 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: I agree with G. IMO it’s not a bug at all - it’s how the mechanic was supposed to work and understandable via plain reading. Yeah, this mechanism does make sense. Maybe there could be a reset, though,

Re: DIS: Suggestion for dealing with Defeated Spaceship repair bug

2019-02-08 Thread Cuddle Beam
Oh, that’s actually a very dapper idea. I like it. On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 14:11, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:52 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > > > I agree with G. IMO it’s not a bug at all - it’s how the mechanic was > > supposed to work and understandable via plain reading. > > Y

Re: DIS: Suggestion for dealing with Defeated Spaceship repair bug

2019-02-08 Thread D. Margaux
> On Feb 8, 2019, at 4:52 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > I agree with G. IMO it’s not a bug at all - it’s how the mechanic was > supposed to work and understandable via plain reading. Yeah, this mechanism does make sense. Maybe there could be a reset, though, when someone wins by space.

Re: DIS: Suggestion for dealing with Defeated Spaceship repair bug

2019-02-08 Thread Cuddle Beam
I agree with G. IMO it’s not a bug at all - it’s how the mechanic was supposed to work and understandable via plain reading. On Fri, 8 Feb 2019 at 00:21, Kerim Aydin wrote: > When my spaceship was destroyed, I purposely avoided repairing it > because I knew it would fail (I thought that was k