Re: DIS: @Telna @lucidiot @Murphy @Gaelan [Contract Amendment] Agoran Press Changes
On 2021-06-18 14:35, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote: Telna's action reminded me: The below amendment is still open, and has consent from Murphy and myself. It's intended to make claiming a week simpler and more flexible. It alse replaces Credits, which are always worth 5 boatloads of Coins, with tokens that can be exchanged directly for coins. There was a problem for a while where the contract kept running out of money because of inflation. Falsifian I do not consent - I'm worried about someone posting dummy articles for every missed week in the last year and draining the contract of coins for a while. Can this be fixed? (Perhaps by capping how many reports a single person can post in a month at 4-5?)
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of June 2021
On 6/18/21 12:40 AM, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > I bid 661 NttPF -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8574-8592
On 6/18/21 12:39 AM, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > Me too NttPF -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of June 2021
I bid 661 On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 1:41 PM Falsifian via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 11:16:14AM +1000, N. S. via agora-business wrote: > > I bid 502 (sorry for top text) > > I bid 600. > > -- > Falsifian >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Promotor] The Notary's Report is too long
On 6/18/21 12:37 AM, Telna via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2021-06-18 14:14, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> On 6/18/21 12:08 AM, Telna via agora-business wrote: >>> Right, I'm glad for that! Was a bit further back than I was looking. >>> I retract the quoted proposal and revoke the quoted promise. >> >> Promise revocation from the Library can only be done without objection. >> > Except for your own promises, which can be revoked from the Library by > announcement. > > Rule 2618 "Promises": > --- > The creator of a promise CAN take or revoke it from the Library by > announcement, unless the promise's text unambiguously designates it as > irrevocable. > --- Oh, I forgot that we changed that. My bad. -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8574-8592
Me too On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 2:22 PM ais523 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 00:20 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > On 6/17/21 3:38 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > > > > 8586* Murphy 3.0 Clarify deputisation > > > FOR > > > > > I change this vote to AGAINST, per Falsifian. > > I also change my vote on this proposal to AGAINST. > > -- > ais523 > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Promotor] The Notary's Report is too long
On 2021-06-18 14:14, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 6/18/21 12:08 AM, Telna via agora-business wrote: Right, I'm glad for that! Was a bit further back than I was looking. I retract the quoted proposal and revoke the quoted promise. Promise revocation from the Library can only be done without objection. Except for your own promises, which can be revoked from the Library by announcement. Rule 2618 "Promises": --- The creator of a promise CAN take or revoke it from the Library by announcement, unless the promise's text unambiguously designates it as irrevocable. ---
DIS: @Telna @lucidiot @Murphy @Gaelan [Contract Amendment] Agoran Press Changes
Telna's action reminded me: The below amendment is still open, and has
consent from Murphy and myself.
It's intended to make claiming a week simpler and more flexible.
It alse replaces Credits, which are always worth 5 boatloads of Coins,
with tokens that can be exchanged directly for coins. There was a
problem for a while where the contract kept running out of money
because of inflation.
Falsifian
On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 05:17:27PM +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> > -- Amendment --
> >
> > Any Reportor can propose an amendment to this contract by announcement.
> > If an amendment was proposed at least 2 days ago, at least two thirds
> > (rounded up) of all Reportors consent to it, and it has not yet been
> > applied, then any Reportor can apply it by announcement, causing this
> > contract to be amended according to it.
>
> I propose the following amendment to the Agoran Press contract, and I
> consent to it.
>
> {{
>
> Change the text of the contract to the following:
>
> {
>
> -- Joining and leaving --
>
> Parties to this contract are called Reportors.
>
> Any person CAN join or leave this contract by announcement.
>
> -- Reporting --
>
> A Weekly Report is a summary of notable events for a given Agoran Week.
> Notability, and what must be included in a summary, are at the author's
> discretion.
>
> Any player can Report on a past Agoran week by publishing a Weekly
> Report for it, as long as all the following are true:
>
> * No other player has dibs on that week, as described below.
>
> * No other Weekly Report has been published for that week.
>
> * It's at most one year in the past.
>
> -- Dibs --
>
> A players can call dibs on a specified week by announcement. That
> player then has dibs on that week, unless another player already had
> it.
>
> A player can release dibs on a week by announcement: then they no
> longer have dibs.
>
> When a player's continuously had dibs on a week for 14 days, e
> automatically releases dibs on that week.
>
> -- Payment --
>
> Coins Owed are a currency. Whenever a player Reports on an Agoran week,
> e earns 5 boatloads of Coins Owed.
>
> Whenever this contract owns at least N Coins (for any nonnegative
> integer N), any player CAN transfer N Coins from this contract to
> emself by paying a fee of N Coins Owed.
>
> To "Redeem N Coins Owed" is to pay N Coins Owed to transfer N Coins
> from this contract to oneself.
>
> -- Conversion --
>
> Credits are a currency. If any Credits exist, each Credit is
> immediately replaced with 5 Boatloads of Coins Owed (with the same
> owner). In particular, this happens immediately after the contract is
> first amended to include this provision.
>
> -- Accounting --
>
> Any player can become The Editor or cease being The Editor by
> announcement. In other words, The Editor is the last person to
> claim the role, if e has not left it since.
>
> The Editor is the recordkeepor for Coins and Credits.
>
> -- Amendment --
>
> Any Reportor can propose an amendment to this contract by announcement.
> If an amendment was proposed at least 2 days ago, at least two thirds
> (rounded up) of all Reportors consent to it, and it has not yet been
> applied, then any Reportor can enact it by announcement. When it is
> enacted, first, non-consenting players cease to be parties to this
> contract, and then it is applied.
>
> }
>
> }}
>
>
> --
> Falsifian
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8574-8592
On 6/17/21 11:54 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: >> 8588& Murphy, G. 2.0 Clarify stone retrieval > AGAINST; as many other people pointed out, this prevents the L > owning coins, and doesn't explain why Whoops, I've been meaning to mention this for a while now. It does not prevent L from owning coins because of Rule 2576: > Rules to the contrary > notwithstanding, the Lost and Found Department can own assets of > every type. -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: [proto] The Firm
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 11:09 PM Falsifian via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > Amend Rule 2422 (Voting Strength) by removing the following text: > > A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Share. > > Might as well remove the rest of the paragraph too. > The power stone uses Buying Strength. >
DIS: Re: BUS: [@Promotor] The Notary's Report is too long
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 11:03 PM Telna via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create the following proposal: > > // > > Title: Contract Chaff Cleanup > Adoption index: 2.5 > Author: Telna > Co-author(s): > > > Amend Rule 1742 "Contracts" by appending the following as a new paragraph: > > The Notary CAN destroy a contract Without 2 Objections, but SHOULD NOT > do so unless the contract no longer serves any significant purpose. > > // > > I grant the following promise, titled "Pendant Payment" to the Library: > > > Cashing conditions: The bearer has pended the proposal "Contract Chaff > Cleanup" authored by Telna, and Telna has at least 2 boatloads of coins. > > I transfer 2 boatloads of coins to the bearer. > > > (This is currently valued at 28 coins) > Proposal 8559 adds the same mechanism, but whether the proposal worked was under CFJ, so it hasn't appeared in a published ruleset. That will be remedied (hopefully) within a day. >
DIS: Re: BUS: [@Notary, Press] New Reportor on the Block
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 10:26:28PM +1000, Telna via agora-business wrote: > I become a party to the contract "Agoran Press". > I transfer the Weekly Assignment from the contract "Agoran Press" to myself. It lives! -- Falsifian
Re: DIS: [proto] The Firm
On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 10:11:39AM -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Proto: The Firm > > [A change in the way vote cards lead to votes] > > Enact a Rule, "The Firm" (Power 2), with this text: > The Firm is a secured ordered list of players. HR is an office; > the firm as it was at the beginning of the week is part of HR's > weekly report. A player's position on the list is their Employee > Number. > > If a player is not on the list, or their position on the list > is indeterminate, they are unemployed. Whenever a set of players > becomes unemployed, HR CAN by announcement, and SHALL in a > timely fashion, add them to the bottom of the firm in random > order. [*] > > The Nth position in the firm is held by the player in the Nth > ordinal position on the list. To promote someone is to move em > up one position in the firm (towards the lowest ordinal position > on the list), to demote someone is the opposite. > > All active players are board members. A board member CAN, as a > board action, promote a specified player for a fee of N extra > votes, or demote a specified player for a fee of 2*N extra votes, > where N is one plus the number of board actions that member has > previously performed in the week. > > [* this mechanism probably needs wording work. Intent is that if Alice > becomes unemployed, than later Bob and Carol simultaneously, then finally > Dan, that HR would add Alice first, then Bob in random order, then > Dan. On adoption, all players would become unemployed so the first > addition would be completely random]. How about: HR CAN by announcement add all unemployed players to the bottom of the firm in a specified order. Whenever e does so, e SHALL choose the order randomly. Whenever a player is unemployed, HR SHALL add them to the firm in a timely fashion. Not exactly what you describe, but maybe a bit simpler to describe, and HR's extra discretion here seems more interesting than harmful. > Amend Rule 2422 (Voting Strength) by removing the following text: > A player CAN Buy Strength by paying a fee of 1 Extra Share. Might as well remove the rest of the paragraph too. -- Falsifian
DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3913 Assigned to Jason
On 6/13/21 10:56 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote: > The below CFJ is 3913. I assign it to Jason. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3913 > > === CFJ 3913 === > > A player who possesses 3 Blots can have their Voting Strength on a > particular decision go above 15 as a consequence of Buying > Strength. > > == Draft judgement: I find that Rule 2422/9's determination of voting strength is not contradictory, but rather underspecified. It is specified that the sole initial value is set before all other determinations, and that the clamping between 0 and 15 is applied after all other determinations. This leaves all rules-specified modifications, including the one specified in Rule 2422, to the value to happen in between those two determinations, in some order. Rule 2422 specifies that modifications in rules other than itself are applied in ascending numerical order by ID, but does not specify where its own modification falls in that sequence. I find no need to resolve where it is in the order, as there are only two voting strength modifications (blots and Buying Strength), and they are both additive, so the order in which they are applied does not affect the result. This resolves the suggested contradiction and means that neither clause is inoperative. A player with 3 blots can have their voting strength altered as a result of buying strength, but cannot have eir strength go above 15. CFJ 3913 judged FALSE. CFJ 3914 judged FALSE. -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 3:06 PM Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: > > [snip a _whole_ lot] > >>> === END OF REPORT === > >>> > >>> -- > >>> nix > >>> Webmastor, Ministor, Herald > >>> > >>> > >> Important COE: Jason was awarded a doctorate of nomic science > >> -- > >> From R. Lee > >> > > > > In fact, you awarded it to em. > > -- > >> From R. Lee > > Hi all, I may be slowly working my way up to reading Agora mail again... > or not. > > Yesterday I saw you apologize for not bottom posting, and then I deleted > that post before I realized that I wanted to complain :P > > I think the true spirit of us old-timers' admonition to bottom post is not > just about bottom posting, but about wanting the old style of email where > people actually edit away unnecessary cruft from messages they reply to, > keeping just enough context to make their own part look like intertwined > responses to particular points, and saving the readers from having to page > through all the rest. > > And that apology of yours made me realize: when you absolutely won't > remove unnecessary parts from a long replied-to message, then bottom > posting is actually slightly _more_ annoying than top posting, although in > a "the greater sin has already been committed anyway" sense. > > Greetings, > Ørjan, who now wonders how much of this is only because he's still using > a terminal mail reader. Heyo Ørjan! Great to see you in Agora again! Aris >
Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora
On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote: [snip a _whole_ lot] === END OF REPORT === -- nix Webmastor, Ministor, Herald Important COE: Jason was awarded a doctorate of nomic science -- From R. Lee In fact, you awarded it to em. -- From R. Lee Hi all, I may be slowly working my way up to reading Agora mail again... or not. Yesterday I saw you apologize for not bottom posting, and then I deleted that post before I realized that I wanted to complain :P I think the true spirit of us old-timers' admonition to bottom post is not just about bottom posting, but about wanting the old style of email where people actually edit away unnecessary cruft from messages they reply to, keeping just enough context to make their own part look like intertwined responses to particular points, and saving the readers from having to page through all the rest. And that apology of yours made me realize: when you absolutely won't remove unnecessary parts from a long replied-to message, then bottom posting is actually slightly _more_ annoying than top posting, although in a "the greater sin has already been committed anyway" sense. Greetings, Ørjan, who now wonders how much of this is only because he's still using a terminal mail reader.
DIS: Re: BUS: Joebeam deal
On 2021-06-18 03:03, BigBobBingo ! via agora-business wrote: I plan to set my Focus to Legacy. I create the following contract called "Joebeam Deal": Cuddlebeam and Joe are the only people that can become parties to this contract. One or zero parties to this contract are the Puppeteer. If there is a Puppeteer, the other party is the Puppet. Cuddlebeam, if they are a party, are the Puppeteer. The Puppeteer can act on behalf of the Puppet to: - Plan to Flip their Ministry Focus. - Grant their Ministry Focus' Grant to the Puppeteer. - Transfer 1 Victory Card from the Puppet to themselves, if the Puppet has gained a Victory Card by being granted it by the Ministor by virtue of R2624 and the Puppeteer has not done so since the last time that such an event has happened. The Puppet SHALL NOT plan to flip eir Ministry Focus or grant eir Ministry Focus's Grant, except as provided for in this contract. The Puppet SHALL NOT transfer or spend their last Victory Card, if they have been granted one by the Ministor by virtue of R2624 and the Puppeteer hasn’t used this contract to transfer it to themselves yet. In perpetuity?! There's no exit clause for this!
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [@Treasuror] 3-way pool
On 6/17/21 9:48 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote: > Twice, I expunge a blot from myself. NttPF -- Jason Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: BUS: [@Treasuror] 3-way pool
Twice, I expunge a blot from myself.
--
Trigon
currently on a phone
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 07:44 Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On 6/17/21 9:42 AM, Trigon via agora-business wrote:
> > I transfer one legislative card to Jason as well.
> >
> > --
> > Trigón
> > No clue why my signature won't work on my phone
>
>
> I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed:
>
> {
>
> I pay a set of 4 justice cards to receive 10 blot-be-gones.
>
> I transfer 3 blot-be-gones to ATMunn.
>
> I transfer 3 blot-be-gones to Trigon.
>
> }
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
>
>
DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora
On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 4:25 PM Rebecca Lee wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:46 AM nix via agora-official < > agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> === >> THE SCROLL OF AGORA >> === >> >> Herald's Monthly Report >> June 15, 2021 >> >> --- >> NEWS >> --- >> >> Falsifian has won by collecting 5 stones and wielding the >> gauntlet. Recorded here as via Gauntlet. >> >> Falsifian has won by Economic Takeover. >> >> Gaelan has won by transcending logic, recorded here >> as Paradox. >> >> Aris has won by Proposal. >> >> nix has been awarded a Silver Quill for the year 2020, for >>proposal 8408 (Sets v1.4). >> >> Aris has been awarded a Silver Quill for the year 2020, for >> proposal 8514 (The Buoyant Economy). >> >> --- >> CHAMPION by >> --- >> Anarchy: Alexis >>Apathy: ais523, Aris, babelian, Bayushi, D. Margaux, >>Gaelan (x2), grok, Ienpw III, Murphy, nix, o, >>omd, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Quazie, >>R. Lee, Sprocklem, tmanthe2nd, twg, Veggiekeks, >>Warrigal, 天火狐 >> Cards: G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root, Taral >> Champion*(11/6): Kelly >>Champion*(3/2): Chuck, Kelly, Steve >>Champion*(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve, >>Troublemaker at Large, Wes >>Champion*(5/3): Kelly, Steve >>Champion*(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen, Morendil, Steve, >>Swann, Troublemaker at Large >> Clout: ais523, Alexis >> Economic Takeover: Cuddlebeam, Falsifian >> Election: G. >>Escape: omd >> Gauntlet: Falsifian >>High Score: ais523 (x3), Alexis (x2), BobTHJ, Cuddlebeam, >>Elysion, Falsifian, G. (x2), Jason, Levi, >>Murphy (x3), omd (x4), Pavitra, root, Steve, >>Tiger, Trigon, twg (x2), Walker, Wooble >> Junta: ais523 (x2), Alexis, G., nix, omd (x2), >>OscarMeyr, the AFO >>Leadership: ais523 >> Lotto: Alexis, omd >>Maniac: Craig, root >> Musicianship: ais523, omd, Tiger, Wooble, Zefram >> Paradox: ais523, Alexis, BobTHJ (x2), Bucky (x2), ehird, >>G. (x2), Gaelan, Murphy, omd, root >> Politics: Aris, D. Margaux (x2) >> Proposal: ais523 (x4), Alexis (x3), allispaul, Andon, >>Andre (x3), Aris, BobTHJ, Bucky, Canada, >>Cuddlebeam, D. Margaux (x501), G. (x2), >>Human Point Two, Morendil, Murphy, omd (x2), >>Spitemaster, Steve (x3), Tiger, Trigon, twg, >>woggle, Yally >> Renaissance: ais523, Alexis (x3), G. (x3), Jason, Murphy, twg >> Rulebending: G., Jason, nix >> Solitude: ais523 (x2), Alexis (x2), omd >> Spaaace: Falsifian, Jason (x1000) >>Tournament: Aris, ATMunn, G., grok, Jason (x2), OscarMeyr, >>Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, root, Taral, >>Wooble >> Unspecified: Blob, Chuck, Dave Bowen, elJefe, favor, Garth, >>General Chaos, Ian, Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, >>Ørjan, Steve, Swann, t, Timothy, >>Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel (x2), Wes (x2) >> Via Ratification: The President >> >> >> >> ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC >> >> GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC >> Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter, >> Michael Norrish >> >> HERO OF AGORA NOMIC >> Murphy, G., omd >> >> >> HIGHER EDUCATION >> >> Associate of Nomic Artistry (A.N.A.):Aris, Cuddlebeam >> Associate of Nomic (A.N.): G., Alexis, twg >> Juris
