Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
There should likely at least be a reference to recordkeepor information. If this gets included, could your proposal clearly resolve CFJ 3740 in the new Ruleset, please? Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 12:26 AM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2019-06-21 at 21:20 -0700, omd wrote: Proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
ly doesn't help in this proposal. Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 12:26 AM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: On Fri, 2019-06-21 at 21:20 -0700, omd wrote: Proposal: Deregulation (AI=3) Repeal Rule 2125 ("Regulated Actions"). Amend Rule 2152 ("Mother, May I?") by appending after

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Deregulation

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
e-defined", arguably contracts are part of the game, and contracts can define actions, and thus actions defined by contracts are "game-defined". Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 12:43 AM, omd wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:33 PM Jason Cobb wrote: This leaves it undefined what a game-d

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
Thanks! Responses inline. Jason Cobb On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:03 PM Jason Cobb wrote: Contracts CAN define new actions. These actions CAN only be sequences of actions that are game-defined, but may include conditionals, repetition, and other similar constructs

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
I think it's okay, given that that clause has an explicit "To the extent specified by the Rules". Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 1:00 AM, omd wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 9:55 PM Jason Cobb wrote: Contracts CAN require or forbid actions that are defined in

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
;distributing a proposal". Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 1:50 AM, omd wrote: Proto: Deregulation, but less so Amend Rule 2125 ("Regulated Actions") to read: An action is regulated if it: (a) consists of altering Rules-defined state (e.g. the act of flipping a Cit

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the Rules-defined "state" of whether or not they are guilty of a crime. Is this a valid reading, and is this intended? Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 1:

Re: DIS: Proto: Deregulation, but less so

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Clarification: performing the action arguably alters the Rules-defined "state"... Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 12:58 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Looking at this again, if the Rules state that doing something is a crime (such as lying in a public message), then that arguably alters the Rul

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Rule 2479 Cleanup

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Sorry! Will do. Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 9:24 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Note from the Office of the Promotor: Please don't use the > style quote formatting again. It makes text formatting a nightmare, and stops me from wrapping lines. -Aris On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jason Cobb wr

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Quorum might be wrong, given this CoE on the Assessor report by G (in a reply to the thread): CoE:  This leaves out my votes on Telnaior's behalf, which change the outcome of at least one proposal I think (8184). Also, what exactly is your "standard reward policy"? Jason C

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
7.333..., which goes to 8. Am I making a wrong assumption about which proposal resolution counts as the most recent? Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 10:07 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 7:02 PM Jason Cobb wrote: Quorum might be wrong, given this CoE on the Assessor report by G (in a

Re: DIS: Seriously, what do you guys think about the Revival of Spaaace?

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
ule (Rule 1586): If multiple rules attempt to define an entity with the same name, then they refer to the same entity. A rule-defined entity's name CANNOT be changed to be the same as another rule-defined entity's name. This seems to give credence to the interpr

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
Ah sorry. I promise that I can read! Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 10:20 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: No, you're getting the formula wrong. Rule 879 says that "If no other rule defines the quorum of an Agoran Decision, the quorum for that decision is equal to 2/3 of the number of voters on

DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Weekly Report

2019-06-22 Thread Jason Cobb
I don't think the Rules define the position of "Cartographor"... Jason Cobb On 6/22/19 10:39 PM, Rebecca wrote: It is my current position under the Rules as they stand that the entities as they existed in the previous spaceship rules are not continuous. Therefore, there are no

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8180-8187

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Alright. So am I on the hook for lying to a public forum, then? Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 1:46 AM, James Cook wrote: On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 18:56, Jason Cobb wrote: For the adoption of Proposal 8182, I earn (8-1)*3=21 Coins For the adoption of Proposal 8186 I earn (9-0)*3=27 Coins For the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Oh yeah, I did something stupid and counted from the top of the chart in the Forbes 500 rather than from the bottom. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 2:02 AM, James Cook wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Jason Cobb wrote: I note that the Ritual has been performed for 5 continuous weeks. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
At the time that I will complete the action? That's a ridiculous requirement... Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 2:33 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/22/2019 11:02 PM, James Cook wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Jason Cobb wrote: I note that the Ritual has been performed for 5 continuous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Also, did anybody perform the ritual last week? If not, then this gets fun. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 11:41 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: At the time that I will complete the action? That's a ridiculous requirement... Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 2:33 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/22/2019 11:02 PM, James

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Sorry, you're right, UTC is a thing. It's done now anyway. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 12:03 PM, James Cook wrote: It was performed twice in the week of 2019-06-10..16. There are still almost 8 hours left for 2019-06-17..23. On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 15:58, Jason Cobb wrote: Also, d

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Yeah, I wasn't submitting it. I meant to send that to the discussion forum, then forgot to change the to address. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 1:23 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I’m not seeing anything to indicate that you’re submitting that as a proposal; if you want to, make sure you say so. -Ari

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Proto: Timeline Control Ordnance

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Does that Rule necessarily imply that an Instrument with power equal to or above 3.0 CAN cause those changes? If no entity could perform those changes, that Rule would still be accurate. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 3:30 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Yes. AI 3.0 proposals are functionally omnipotent

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
I vote as follows: IDAuthor(s) AITitle --- 8188 G. 3.0 Blanket Denial FOR 8189 Jason Cobb 1.7 Rule 2479 Cleanup (v1.2) FOR 8190 G., D Margaux

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
If your theory of adoption index being 0 is correct, then the attempt to create the Rule is INEFFECTIVE because of Rule 2140 ("Power Controls Mutability"). Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 6:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/23/2019 3:10 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: What happens i

Re: DIS: AI fix proto

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
You could just state that > "none" is not a valid value for the adoption index of proposals. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 6:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Does this do the trick - Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:   Adoption index is an untracked switch

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
at result in the entity proscribing actions that are not regulated by it are invalid. An action is game-defined if and only if it is a regulated action of some binding entity. Retitle Rule 2125 to "Binding Entities". Set the power of Rule 2125 to 3.1. } Jason Cobb On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
Thanks! Responses inline again. Jason Cobb On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jason Cobb wrote: A contract CAN define and regulate the following actions, except that the performance of them must include at least clearly and unambiguously announcing the performance of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
fore and could have cause issues with contracts that purport to allow people to leave). Jason Cobb On 6/24/19 9:38 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: It’s getting to the point where this is feeling inelegant again, which is usually a very bad sign. -Aris On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jason Cobb wrote

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
ou CAN or CANNOT do something that the Rules say that you CAN or CANNOT do. Jason Cobb On 6/24/19 11:58 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: In large part, it’s the whole thing together. It feels like a complex set of changes across multiple rules. The fact that such a change is necessary suggests that the entire a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
It happens :). We at least get some interesting precedent out of it. And you might have stopped G. and ais523 from doing crazy stuff. Jason Cobb On 6/25/19 1:23 AM, James Cook wrote: CFJ: "There exists a proposal with the title 'It's caused enough trouble already' and w

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fixing pledges

2019-06-24 Thread Jason Cobb
therwise, the pledge operates for 60 days. It is IMPOSSIBLE to commit the crime of Oathbreaking multiple times for a single pledge; breaking a single pledge multiple times constitutes a single crime. } I'll withdraw the old one and submit this soon. Jason Cobb On 6/25/19 2:19 AM, Jame

DIS: Re: BUS: For real this time [intent(s) to banish the Ritual]

2019-06-25 Thread Jason Cobb
So, what about the ones where you both supported and objected (like X=2.1)? Are you both a Supporter and Objector, because I don't see anything in the dependent action rules that says you can't do both? Jason Cobb On 6/25/19 11:49 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: For each number X that is a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: For real this time [intent(s) to banish the Ritual]

2019-06-25 Thread Jason Cobb
If this is going to be a problem, I could just write a quick script to write out all of the intents for me... Jason Cobb On 6/25/19 2:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh sure why not. I CFJ: Jason Cobb made an announcement of intent to banish the Ritual with 2.1 Agoran Consent that meets the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-26 Thread Jason Cobb
as described by the entity, and only using the methods explicitly specified in the entity for performing the given action. Interpretations that result in the entity directly proscribing actions that are not regulated by it are invalid. Retitle Rule 2125 to "Binding Entities". Set the powe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-27 Thread Jason Cobb
etter here) This has the side effect of ensuring that a contract cannot define the natural language action of "breathing", it can only create a new action, even if that action is "to breathe". As for the second sentence, that might have become dead code in the shrinkage, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-27 Thread Jason Cobb
be construed as stating that it could require/forbid for _anyone_. I think this different from "purports to" because if a binding entity has the text "A party to the contract SHALL NOT breathe.", then the binding entity states it forbids breathing. Jason Cobb On 6/28/19

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-29 Thread Jason Cobb
I think there was a proto, not sure if it was ever submitted. Jason Cobb On 6/29/19 10:32 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Wasn't there a fix proposal for this somewhere? I can't seem to find it. -Aris On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:20 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/23/2019 3:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Ribbon

2019-06-30 Thread Jason Cobb
Don't worry, in ~3 days, we have a chance with my intent, since it will require 2.3 Agoran Consent and G. will have not objected then. Jason Cobb On 6/30/19 4:42 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: Aww. *blows party popper mournfully* -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, June 30,

DIS: On the wording of Ribbons

2019-06-30 Thread Jason Cobb
Is there a reason why the Ribbons wording is written in terms of being a person switch with values of all possible subsets instead of being written as assets? -- Jason Cobb

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3744 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-06-30 Thread Jason Cobb
I created both because I thought that there might be some difference between the rules for proposals and Agoran Decisions. Apparently not, though :P. Jason Cobb On 6/30/19 8:47 PM, D. Margaux wrote: Both 3744 and 3745 judged TRUE. Not sure what is the difference between them. The question

DIS: Re: BUS: ADoP Deputisation

2019-06-30 Thread Jason Cobb
I just checked and we can't actually make Agora the ADoP because of Rule 955 (how sad). But there's still no reason for it to be a valid vote in the first place, so I will leave my fix proposal standing. Jason Cobb On 6/30/19 10:08 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: I note that the voting meth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3744 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-06-30 Thread Jason Cobb
seems like a reading that has *some* textual basis. Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 12:30 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Actually, they are different. The Proposal Distribution (not the Proposal) was CoE'd on the AI (the Distribution listed the AI as 0.5, which is wrong regardless). Since AI is an essent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3744 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-06-30 Thread Jason Cobb
do end up filing a Motion to Reconsider, I'll support. Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 1:47 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: I’m strongly tempted to move to reconsider this, and apologize for failing to provide arguments earlier (honestly, I totally forgot about this case). I really don’t think this opi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3744 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
27;t judge anyway, so no difference to the gamestate than if it failed. Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 11:16 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/30/2019 11:32 PM, D. Margaux wrote: If a player does all that and also specifies that AI=e, I don't see why that makes the CAN clause fail. It's im

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal AI Fix

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
earlier - in this case, at the time the proposal is created. I agree that dealing with announcements with invalid parameters should be fixed more broadly - but I thought that I could fix it in this specific instance since I was touching this area of the Rules anyway. Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 2:32

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal AI Fix

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
interesting effects on R106. Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 3:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: The current standing judgements AFAICT are "ain't broke - don't fix". This relies on assuming "no AI" == "AI='none'" but two judges have agreed with that reading. On

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
Are you strongly against 8196 (I know that it adds text)? Is there something materially wrong with it that I should fix later? Also, you could make Tarhalindur vote FOR the ones that you can't due to your pledge (I think, depending on the wording of the pledge). Jason Cobb On 7/1/19

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
Claim of error: I submitted the proposal "Regulated actions reform (v2)" here [0]. [0]: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040719.html Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 9:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I hereby distribute each listed proposal, init

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
It's fine. It's not urgent in light of the judgment on CFJ 3737, so it can just wait. Also, it was submitted to the public forum here [0]. [0]: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-July/040745.html Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 10:48 PM, Aris Merc

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8196-8201

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
The link I pasted was (my attempt at) sending it to the public forum. Is replying and setting the to address to agora-business not enough? Jason Cobb On 7/1/19 10:55 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Roger on the proposal, and again, I'm sorry. It's your CoE that's NttPF. -Aris On M

DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: Resolving Prime Minister election

2019-07-01 Thread Jason Cobb
That all looks fine, thanks for resolving it quickly. Side note, I see in your quote introduction that it says "Falsifian". I am not Falsifian, I go by Jason Cobb (although I really don't care if that's shortened or anything). I just don't want any confusion :). On T

Re: Fwd: Re: DIS: Proto: Moots are moot

2019-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb
might get split between REMAND and REMIT and end up giving it to AFFIRM (or LOGJAMMED), although I'm not sure how much of a concern that really is (I just hate first past the post for more than 2 options). Jason Cobb On 7/2/19 12:21 AM, Edward Murphy wrote: Forwarded Message -

DIS: "Class-N Crime" or "Class N Crime"

2019-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb
Just to be stylistically consistent, which one should I prefer? The Rules use both, although "Class N" is more common than "Class-N". -- Jason Cobb

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

2019-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb
I'd just like to apologize to omd, who managed to get all 3 of my Oathbreaking CFJs... Jason Cobb On 7/2/19 9:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: [Quick! While it's still current!] Court Gazette (Arbitor's Weekly Report) INTERESTED JUDGES AND THEIR MOST RECENT CASE -

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3752 Assigned to omd

2019-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb
But what if I think strings are just /better/ than numbers? Jason Cobb On 7/2/19 9:09 PM, Rebecca wrote: Gratuitious: the caller emself admits that N is obviously intended to mean a number. One meaning of N in this specialised context is to stand in for a number. This isn't even a p

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

2019-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb
Dang it; you are absolutely right, and I didn't consider that. Note to judge omd: this applies just as well to CFJ 3743. Jason Cobb On 7/2/19 10:45 PM, James Cook wrote: Gratuitous argument: As far as I know, finger-pointing still isn't fixed. CFJ 3736 determined that the Referee C

Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: DIS: Proto: Moots are moot

2019-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb
I got the first one, if that helps in any way. Jason Cobb On 7/2/19 11:33 PM, Edward Murphy wrote: Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: DIS: Proto: Moots are moot Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 20:32:12 -0700 From: Edward Murphy To: Jason Cobb Jason Cobb wrote: I'm not

Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: DIS: Proto: Moots are moot

2019-07-02 Thread Jason Cobb
Oh, sorry, didn't realize the first wasn't to the discussion forum. Jason Cobb On 7/2/19 11:34 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: I got the first one, if that helps in any way. Jason Cobb On 7/2/19 11:33 PM, Edward Murphy wrote: Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Fwd: Re:

DIS: "Judgement" or "Judgment"?

2019-07-03 Thread Jason Cobb
t being in Rule 2479 ("Official Justice"), but that rule then immediately proceeds to use "Judgement" (with e) twice. I don't really care which one is picked, I'd rather just have consistency. -- Jason Cobb

DIS: Summary Judgment is broken

2019-07-03 Thread Jason Cobb
ms (2) - (8) to be items (1) - (7) in the new list. } The Rule 2541 ("Executive Orders") is at the same power as Rule 2531, but Rule 2541 explicitly claims precedence, so Rule 2531 doesn't apply, but this feels kind of fragile and tenuous. This proto would fix that. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: "Judgement" or "Judgment"?

2019-07-03 Thread Jason Cobb
I'm using the Thunderbird spellchecker, and it yells at me for "Judgement"... Jason Cobb On 7/3/19 12:34 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 7/3/2019 8:50 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: Again, as a matter of style, should we prefer "Judgement" or "Judgment"? My  > spel

Re: DIS: "Judgement" or "Judgment"?

2019-07-03 Thread Jason Cobb
But that not withstanding, I support using the same format in CFJ archives, and I think it's a good idea to have consistency between the CFJ archives and the Rules, so I'll just use "Judgement" from now on. Jason Cobb On 7/3/19 12:38 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: I

Re: DIS: "Judgement" or "Judgment"?

2019-07-03 Thread Jason Cobb
Interesting. It most likely delegates to some sort of OS setting. Anyway, I just manually added it to my system. Jason Cobb On 7/3/19 12:50 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 7/3/2019 9:38 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: I'm using the Thunderbird spellchecker, and it yells at me for "Judgement&q

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Jason Cobb
ot;out of its time window" (and how > that > relates to the term "operates" in the CFJ statement) is a matter of > semantics that is IRRELEVANT. > > On 7/5/2019 10:42 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > I CFJ: "R. Lee's Oath to vote against certain proposals ope

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Jason Cobb
I'll do that, but I'm not at a laptop right now, so it'll be a few hours. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 7:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 7/5/2019 3:14 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > Hmm... maybe the statement should have been "The time window of [the > > pledge] is 6

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: The ruleset is too long so

2019-07-05 Thread Jason Cobb
Heh. Yeah, I've been keeping track of this. I've come close a few times now. It's of course not my goal to stress this system (though I'm not sure how much one person actually could with the excess case rule). Jason Cobb On 7/5/19 7:03 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I don't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

2019-07-05 Thread Jason Cobb
Does anyone else agree that a "by announcement" is needed here? If so, someone might want to get a proposal submitted by the next distribution. Jason Cobb On 7/3/19 12:38 AM, omd wrote: Does Proposal 8181 actually fix it? Rule 2557 still needs a "by announcement". In a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

2019-07-06 Thread Jason Cobb
This may be a bit nit-picky, but I don't believe "withdraw" is defined for rules, only "repeal". Jason Cobb On 7/6/19 10:52 AM, James Cook wrote: On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 14:38, James Cook wrote: I submit a proposal as follows. Title: Police Power Actually, to get R.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8180-8187

2019-07-07 Thread Jason Cobb
s://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040667.html CoE 1: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040655.html PROPOSAL 8180 (Paying our Assessor) FOR: R. Lee#, D. Margaux, L, Aris, Owen, Falsifian, Jason Cobb, Walk

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8180-8187

2019-07-07 Thread Jason Cobb
I had no idea that Agora was so indecisive :). I honestly think I would prefer the last one - but it sounds like it might make the Assessor's life not super fun. Jason Cobb On 7/7/19 3:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 7/7/2019 12:15 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: It's actually "evaluat

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3753 Assigned to omd

2019-07-07 Thread Jason Cobb
Are you looking at Rule 2350 ("Proposals"), which is the only place I see that wording ("remove (syn. retract, withdraw)")? I was looking at Rule 105 ("Rule Changes"), which does not define "withdraw". Jason Cobb On 7/7/19 5:05 PM, James Cook wro

Re: DIS: arbitor straw poll

2019-07-08 Thread Jason Cobb
I'm personally fine with it, and it makes it slightly more searchable to have it all in email. Jason Cobb On 7/8/19 11:44 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 7/7/2019 5:19 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Ah, another week, another 5 CFJs srsly, what do people think is the amount of court email traff

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction status (unofficial report)

2019-07-08 Thread Jason Cobb
You're right. I didn't know that was a rule, sorry. Jason Cobb On 7/8/19 9:06 PM, James Cook wrote: I think those failed because e was the master of a zombie. [0] [0] https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2019-July/054699.html On Tue, 9 Jul 201

Re: DIS: missing time window

2019-07-08 Thread Jason Cobb
Is there a reason that this Rule says that the Herald has to do it? The paydays rule (Rule 2559) just says that "at the beginning of each month, a Payday occurs.", and the Treasuror is just expected to keep track of it. Is there something preventing the Karma rule from doing this?

DIS: On Karma

2019-07-08 Thread Jason Cobb
;s karma moving farther away from 0. I'm slightly worried about item 1. It effectively says that "For a Notice of Honour to be valid, it must: [...] be valid [...]". Does this run afoul of determinacy, thus possibly making it impossible for a Notice of Honour to be valid? -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: On Karma

2019-07-08 Thread Jason Cobb
I recognize that that is obviously the intent. I'm not familiar with all of the rules around determinacy, so I can't say with certainty whether that that is actually what happens, though. Jason Cobb On 7/8/19 10:13 PM, Rebecca wrote: surely it just means that the player has pu

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [dicelog] [Deputy-ADoP] Selection of Comptrollor

2019-07-09 Thread Jason Cobb
And this is how we all die. Jason Cobb On 7/9/19 5:38 PM, Rebecca wrote: aw yeah On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 7:27 AM Dice Server -bl69cv- wrote: This is an automatic message. This message was generated by ke...@uw.edu through the "hamete virtual dice server"

DIS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8180-8187

2019-07-10 Thread Jason Cobb
I'm really sorry that that went to official, forgot to change the to: address. Jason Cobb On 7/10/19 9:48 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: For the adoption of Proposal 8182, I earn (10-1)*3.0 = 27 coins. For the adoption of Proposal 8186, I earn (11-0)*3.0 = 33 coins. For the adoption of Proposal

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal

2019-07-10 Thread Jason Cobb
The promotor can put the old one back up for a vote again (once), since the outcome was FAILED QUORUM. Jason Cobb On 7/10/19 5:30 PM, Rebecca wrote: I create and pend (again) the following proposal Title: Spaceships AI: 1 Text: Create a spaceship in the possession of each player

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bribery (attn. Tailor)

2019-07-10 Thread Jason Cobb
Ah, sorry about that, I probably should have stated that. Jason Cobb On 7/10/19 6:48 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:26 PM Jason Cobb wrote: Yeah the reason is Transparent. As for it being act-on-behalf, I wrote it in a bit of a hurry and that's just what I thought of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bribery (attn. Tailor)

2019-07-11 Thread Jason Cobb
Ah, my bad. Gratuitous (or amending the arguments, whatever): G. has pointed out that I'm wrong about the final paragraph of my original arguments, so please disregard that paragraph. Jason Cobb On 7/11/19 9:50 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 7/10/2019 5:11 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:     I do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent

2019-07-11 Thread Jason Cobb
Well, we have some test cases right now, so someone could CFJ (if nobody else does, I will later). Jason Cobb On 7/11/19 10:18 AM, James Cook wrote: On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 at 00:56, Rebecca wrote: Does the CHoJ work now btw? It's unclear, since R2557 may not give a method for levying

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3752 Assigned to omd

2019-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb
of Oathbreaking, or would another finger point be needed? Jason Cobb On 7/12/19 2:06 AM, omd wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:56 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: Excerpt from Rule 2450 ("Pledges"): If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform (or refra

DIS: On the GitHub org

2019-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb
#x27;s fine (I honestly wouldn't if I was one of you all), and I'll just continue developing where it is now. On a semi-related note, if anybody cares about the code, here it is: [0]: https://github.com/random-internet-cat/agora-assessor -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: On the GitHub org

2019-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb
Clarification: I would need at least collaborator status on the Assessor repo (which I assume is what Falsifian has on the Registrar/Treasuror repos), not member access to the entire org. Jason Cobb On 7/12/19 9:29 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: I see that there is a GitHub organization for Agora. As

Re: DIS: On the GitHub org

2019-07-12 Thread Jason Cobb
I see. Thank you! :) Jason Cobb On 7/12/19 9:45 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: We do trust you, and it would be great to keep Agoran stuff consolidated. We don’t worry much about adding people as members to the org. In fact, I just invited you. :) -Aris On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:32 PM Jason Cobb

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: End of July zombie auction

2019-07-13 Thread Jason Cobb
I don't believe there are any current decisions. Jason Cobb On 7/13/19 3:34 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: If doing so causes me to become Jacob Arduino's master, which it should do unless this is still broken for reasons I don't comprehend, I transfer 87 coins to Agora. I a

DIS: Re: BUS: More master switching

2019-07-13 Thread Jason Cobb
aling other people's zombies, since an inactive person won't object to it? If a master can cause a zombie to object to an intent, then disregard this (I'm not quite sure). Jason Cobb On 7/13/19 5:02 PM, D. Margaux wrote: I propose the following: Title: AFK Reform Act AI: 2 Au

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: missing time window

2019-07-13 Thread Jason Cobb
I'm sorry, but how exactly could mayhem be created by (slightly) messing up Karma? Jason Cobb On 7/13/19 9:31 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I strongly suspect that R. Lee is intending to veto part of this proposal, thereby creating mayhem. I apologize to em if this is not in fact the case.

Re: DIS: On the GitHub org

2019-07-13 Thread Jason Cobb
Just added that (also realized that I need to allow players voting on only some proposals, that's fixed, too). Jason Cobb On 7/13/19 9:51 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: You're welcome! Incidentally, could you add a feature that states the number of voters on each decision? It would be he

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-13 Thread Jason Cobb
Falisifian is the author of 8202 ("Police Power"), although e has listed me as a co-author. Jason Cobb On 7/13/19 11:15 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: With all of the proposals that are in the pool at the moment, errors seem likely. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. -Aris --

Re: BUS: Fwd: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
have money), since Agora would not have objected to this intent - this defeats the point of zombie auctions. Jason Cobb On 7/14/19 6:23 AM, D. Margaux wrote: I withdraw my AFK proposal and propose this in its place: Title: AFK Reform Act v1.1 AI: 2 Author: d Margaux Coauthors: G., Jason Co

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Are the historical annotations in the FLR self-ratifying? Asking for a friend. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:46 AM Reuben Staley wrote: > THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET > > These rulesets are also online at http://agoranomic.org/ruleset/ > > Date of last official ruleset of this type: 16 Jun 2019 > Date of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
part of any ruleset is self-ratifying. > > -- > Trigon > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 11:57 Jason Cobb wrote: > > > Are the historical annotations in the FLR self-ratifying? Asking for a > > friend. > > > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:46 AM Reuben Sta

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Hm... my reading would be that the default is "null". And I'm not sure what happens if you increase "null' by 1. Jason Cobb On 7/14/19 8:42 PM, James Cook wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 at 22:04, nch wrote: It's also not clear what the default of the armour val

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My Spaceship

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
Whoops, you're right. I suppose I haven't read the entire ruleset yet :). Jason Cobb On 7/14/19 8:56 PM, James Cook wrote: Hm... my reading would be that the default is "null". And I'm not sure what happens if you increase "null' by 1. Jason Cobb I think

DIS: Non-explicit numeric values

2019-07-14 Thread Jason Cobb
hat's the case, could I say the AI is "the power of [some Rule] at the time of resolution", and have that work? -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: On the GitHub org

2019-07-15 Thread Jason Cobb
I assume everybody on the GitHub org got a message about me adding a key to Assessor - that's me trying to set up CI for the Assessor repo. Jason Cobb On 7/12/19 9:29 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: I see that there is a GitHub organization for Agora. As of right now, I've placed my assessor

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

2019-07-15 Thread Jason Cobb
Whoops, this should have gone to the actual distribution. Jason Cobb On 7/15/19 8:26 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: CoE: Falsifian is the author of 8202 ("Police Power"), although e has listed me as a co-author.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188A-8192A, 8195A, 8202-8214

2019-07-15 Thread Jason Cobb
I am now using machine parsing on the full-text section of distributions. It would be much appreciated if the formatting in this section remains fairly consistent :). Jason Cobb On 7/15/19 7:32 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Full Logical Ruleset: July 2019

2019-07-15 Thread Jason Cobb
Ooh! Then I favour this CFJ! Jason Cobb On 7/15/19 10:36 PM, James Cook wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2019 at 02:29, Rebecca wrote: CFJ: Rule 2157 exists. It's 2517.

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