comex wrote:
For every other action, If possible I do X and I attempt to do X
do not satisfy Rule 478's criterion-- that the person performing the
action announces that e performs it--
We have historically allowed quite a bit of latitude in the use
of conditionals. It's not codified, but we seem
Proto-Proposal: But what is truth?
Zefram and Goethe are co-authors of this proposal.
Amend Rule 2149 (Truthfulness) to read:
A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably
believes it is true.
For the purpose of this rule:
a) Merely quoting a false
2008/7/13 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably
believes it is true.
This is a fundamentally flawed and dangerous idea and should not pass.
Elliott Hird wrote:
This is a fundamentally flawed and dangerous idea and should not pass.
What is the nature of the flaw? Does the current R2149 share it?
-zefram
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Elliott Hird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/7/13 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably
believes it is true.
This is a fundamentally flawed and dangerous idea and should not pass.
I just think it
2008/7/13 Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Elliott Hird wrote:
This is a fundamentally flawed and dangerous idea and should not pass.
What is the nature of the flaw? Does the current R2149 share it?
An announcement is a vessel for performing or trying to perform an action.
A failing action is not
ais523 wrote:
I would strongly prefer it if rule 2149 was amended the other way, to
make failed attempts to perform acts legal (e.g. what happens if a
contest is decontestified but the contestmaster still has to try to
award points).
Easy argument for EXCUSED for failing to award them,
ais523 wrote:
I would strongly prefer it if rule 2149 was amended the other way, to
make failed attempts to perform acts legal
As has been repeatedly pointed out, failing attempts at speech actions
can still avoid false statements, provided that the statement carries an
appropriate qualifier.
Taral wrote:
A person SHALL not make a public statement e believes to be false.
We tried that, in the original version of rule 2149, and eventually
rejected it when restoring the rule after the truthiness era. The problem
is that a reckless falsehood is still dishonest and problematic.
-zefram
Taral wrote:
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Elliott Hird
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/7/13 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably
believes it is true.
This is a fundamentally flawed and dangerous idea and should not pass.
Elliott Hird wrote:
An announcement is a vessel for performing or trying to perform an action.
We announce a lot of things other than actions. An announcement is a
vessel for informing players about the game state.
A failing action is not an illegal lie.
It doesn't have to be, as already
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, ais523 wrote:
Hmm... I seem to have a veto right now and rule 2149 is power 1. I don't
really like using vetos, but now might seem to be a good time. Would
this be massively against the Agoran Spirit if I try? Would people just
try to make it democratic?
In my opinion,
On Sunday 13 July 2008 06:29:26 pm Kerim Aydin wrote:
That being said, even
taking on a more conservative role, the fact that something like
this particular rule is pretty darn important to the tone of play
but at power-1 means a veto is particularly apt. If something of
this importance
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As has been repeatedly pointed out, failing attempts at speech actions
can still avoid false statements, provided that the statement carries an
appropriate qualifier. Formulations such as If possible I do X. and I
attempt to do
Ed Murphy wrote:
A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably
believes it is true.
For the purpose of this rule:
c) A public statement that one performs an action is true if
and only if one thereby succeeds in performing that
Proto-Proposal: But what is truth?
(AI = 2, please)
Zefram and Goethe are co-authors of this proposal.
Change the power of Rule 2149 (Truthfulness) to 2, and amend it to read:
A person SHALL NOT make a public statement unless e reasonably
believes it is true, or else makes eir
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