Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-25 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I have a hard time believing that everyone would consistently over-shoot with their expectations of winning - why not under-shoot? Both you and Gaelan have brought up that people will be like that. I think it's naive to assume that everyone is going to be that optimistic, inaccurate in assessing

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-24 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 8/24/2020 9:37 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote: > It's not as much of an issue that the payout is low, it's that if it's > pulled off, you can't really win by any way other than this maneuver > itself. (Aside from some obscure scam, but even then, it's going to be very > hard to

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-24 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
It's not as much of an issue that the payout is low, it's that if it's pulled off, you can't really win by any way other than this maneuver itself. (Aside from some obscure scam, but even then, it's going to be very hard to pull off unless the initial rules already are flawed and scammable) We

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-24 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
I see that argument brought up a lot. So, sure. Let's assume that you decide not to participate in the cabal and decide to wait and go do a different move because you're motivated to go win in a different way. The cabal, having more people, would be a lot more likely to have one person go ahead

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-24 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
I think the interesting gameplay arises in passing rules in different cabals, such that you win without either having known. > On Aug 24, 2020, at 10:05, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion > wrote: > >  > >> On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> >>

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-24 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Aug 24, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion > wrote: > > First turn, after (necessarily) talking to a cabal of players to get it > passed: "Randomly choose a player among me and [the cabal]. That player > wins and the game ends." Admittedly, you have more experience

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-24 Thread Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion
Plain nomic played pragmatically to win is a horrible game imo. I suspect this will devolve into people making blocs or something like usual, and the secrecy element doesn't seem to do anything to change that. It seems to *actually encourage* making cabals, and the game can easily immediately end

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-22 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On 8/19/20 10:02 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I wrote this ruleset up a while ago, and there's been some interest when I > brought it up on the discord, so I figured I'd bring it up again. I'll set it > up as a free tournament soon, but wanted to get some feedback first. That

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-19 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
Updated version that consolidates all of my reporting duties into one daily message. Gaelan --- Initial Set of Rules Immutable Rules 101. All players must always abide by all the rules then in effect, in the form in which they are then in effect. The rules in the Initial Set are in effect

DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2020-08-19 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
I wrote this ruleset up a while ago, and there's been some interest when I brought it up on the discord, so I figured I'd bring it up again. I'll set it up as a free tournament soon, but wanted to get some feedback first. That being said, my preference would be to do relatively minimal

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2019-11-04 Thread Jason Cobb
On 11/4/19 1:06 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: It also might be interesting to make a solid, unchangeable, "only one person can win" rule.  Though that could end up like Diplomacy where a majority alliances "wins" but then it becomes a draw if you try to play it to a single winner. Oooh - I haven't

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2019-11-04 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 11/4/2019 8:56 AM, Cuddle Beam wrote: I like this a lot but just a comment on how it may turn out. If we're playing nomic purely to win, running totally nude without our civilized clothing of morality and goodwill, it might be best to go full ham on "Benefit a Majority, Punish a Minority",

Re: DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2019-11-04 Thread Cuddle Beam
I like this a lot but just a comment on how it may turn out. If we're playing nomic purely to win, running totally nude without our civilized clothing of morality and goodwill, it might be best to go full ham on "Benefit a Majority, Punish a Minority", or "bampam", which pops up quite a bit on

DIS: Proto-tournament: Nomaoic

2019-11-03 Thread Gaelan Steele
[TL;DR: Nomic, but the ruleset isn’t published and proposals are private. The intention is that you’d make your proposal, and share the next with just enough people to get a majority voting for it.] Initial Set of Rules Immutable Rules 101. All players must always abide by all the rules then in