DIS: Re: BUS: Champion's Contests

2009-02-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: A contest's contestmaster CAN transfer ownership of or destroy a Medal in that contest's possession, but only as explicitly described by the contest's text; one exception to this is that a contest CANNOT transfer a Medal to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Champion's Contests

2009-02-26 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 08:43 -0800, Taral wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: A contest's contestmaster CAN transfer ownership of or destroy a Medal in that contest's possession, but only as explicitly described by the contest's text; one exception to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: [Note: (not part of judgement) I assume we are judging on the culpability rather than the sentencing here?] Correct, I explicitly appealed culpability.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: [Note: (not part of judgement) I assume we are judging on the culpability rather than the sentencing here?] Correct, I explicitly appealed culpability. Ok I certainly stand by Affirm then; the place to take into account Sgeo being silly

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, comex wrote: I move to AFFIRM. I have not carefully weighed the full implications of my failure to include arguments. I think that counts as an included argument.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: And even if the above were not the better interpretation, surely the ambiguity on this matter would be sufficient to fail to satisfy R1504's condition (d) the Accused could have reasonably believed that the alleged act did not violate the specified

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:41, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: And even if the above were not the better interpretation, surely the ambiguity on this matter would be sufficient to fail to satisfy R1504's condition (d) the Accused could have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:41, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: (d) deliberately does not care about what the defendent actually thinks, only what e could have thought. Therefore, there is no reason to consider the defendent's admission in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: If SHOULD as defined leads to an infinite regress, this does not mean it's impossible to breach. To be legal, Sgeo would have had to read the ruleset, or thought about reading the ruleset and decided not to, or thought about thinking about reading the ruleset and deciding not to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 13:01, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:41, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: (d) deliberately does not care about what the defendent actually thinks, only what e could have thought.

DIS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 6120

2009-02-26 Thread Aaron Goldfein
NUM C I AI SUBMITTER TITLE 6120 D 1 2.0 Murphy Increase the ticket ration FOR -Yally

DIS: Re: BUS: Day 1: The Defendant Steps out of His Box. Day 2: The Defendant is Eaten by Vines.

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Arguments: According to Goethe, if you admit you breached the rules you're guilty, regardless of whether or not the rules say you're guilty. I didn't say that. We're talking about cases where (a) we actually interpret an action as a breach; in which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Day 1: The Defendant Steps out of His Box. Day 2: The Defendant is Eaten by Vines.

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: Arguments: According to Goethe, if you admit you breached the rules you're guilty, regardless of whether or not the rules say you're guilty. I didn't say that. We're talking about cases where (a) we actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 16:26, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 13:01, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:41, Kerim Aydin

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I agree that Sgeo did not meet any of the conditions, but the rules don't clearly define failure to meet any of the conditions as being a violation. I noticed this too: 6. MUST, SHALL, REQUIRED, MANDATORY: Failing

DIS: Re: BUS: Day 1: The Defendant Steps out of His Box. Day 2: The Defendant is Eaten by Vines.

2009-02-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 5:50 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: I contest this.  NoVing someone immediately upon joining is very rude.  E ceased to play for a month, let em be. Dodging punishments by leaving the game is permitted -- but don't expect to rejoin without paying your dues. -- Taral

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: I think plainly this is not what R1504(d) says since it considers whether some hypothetical situation exists where the defendent could have believed it did not violate the rule. This perhaps does not excuse them for violations after research, but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: I agree that Sgeo did not meet any of the conditions, but the rules don't clearly define failure to meet any of the conditions as being a violation. I noticed this too: 6. MUST, SHALL, REQUIRED,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Taral
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Which, as noted, is exactly how I intended #7 to operate.  (We have other rules with even less significant effect.)  If the courts decide otherwise, then so be it, but until then I'm not conceding the issue. The problem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 18:08, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: I think plainly this is not what R1504(d) says since it considers whether some hypothetical situation exists where the defendent could have believed it did not violate the rule.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Charles Reiss wrote: I disagree. The judge has an affirmative duty to check each possible defense emselves regardless of what the defendant says in order to avoid making an inappropriate judgment on culpability. Ideally, figures related to the case (not necessarily the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Sgeo
[stuff] As far as I remember, my confession was not that I violated a rule, just that I failed to throughly consider the consequences of not reading the ruleset during read the ruleset week.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2383a assigned to woggle, comex, Goethe

2009-02-26 Thread Charles Reiss
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 21:01, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: [snip] And what's wrong with addressing this in a sentencing appeal, anyway (e.g. yes e technically could have known, but it's because e took the advice of others, so DISCHARGE is just fine).  I'm leery of setting