DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Jumping Posture

2013-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal and pay the Distributability Fee to increase the Distributability of this proposal by one. Dislike. Adds a lot of complexity for little value. -scshunt

Re: DIS: What Nomic does to me (XX related)...

2013-07-08 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Chuck Carroll games...@chuckcarroll.orgwrote: After less than two weeks of playing Nomic, when I was thinking this morning that I needed to look up some details about a product, my internal monologue told me that I needed to “check the Ruleset” for that.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Jumping Posture

2013-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal and pay the Distributability Fee to increase the Distributability of this proposal by one. Dislike. Adds

DIS: Re: BUS: election for harold

2013-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Max Schutz maxschutz...@gmail.com wrote: I cast my vote for scshunt for the office of harold Counting as succesful due to only being a spelling error. -scshunt

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Class-3 Hazing, Roujo? A trend/tradition of the second half of Agora's life actually. The phrase '[x] is a player' has 80+ hits in the CFJ statement database.

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Class-3 Hazing, Roujo? A trend/tradition of the second half of Agora's life actually. The phrase '[x] is a player' has 80+ hits in the CFJ statement database. And the Class-3

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Class-3 Hazing, Roujo? A trend/tradition of the second half of Agora's life actually. The phrase '[x] is a player' has 80+ hits in the

DIS: Assess This

2013-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
Let the order of votes be known as a rank, such as the first person to have voted on a proposal be the Rank 1 voter, and so forth. For every vote I've made that I can change, I change it to ENDORSE X, where X is the player whose rank is the closest prime number to my own, picking the lowest rank

Re: DIS: Assess This

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: Let the order of votes be known as a rank, such as the first person to have voted on a proposal be the Rank 1 voter, and so forth. For every vote I've made that I can change, I change it to ENDORSE X, where X is the player whose rank is the

Re: DIS: Assess This

2013-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: Let the order of votes be known as a rank, such as the first person to have voted on a proposal be the Rank 1 voter, and so forth. For every

Re: DIS: Assess This

2013-07-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: Let the order of votes be known as a rank, such as the first person to have voted on a proposal be the Rank 1 voter, and so forth. For every vote I've made that I can change, I change it to ENDORSE X, where

Re: DIS: Assess This

2013-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: Let the order of votes be known as a rank, such as the first person to have voted on a proposal be the Rank 1 voter, and so forth. For every

DIS: scshunt, walker, feel free...

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'm not going to get around to proposing infractions or ribbon changes anytime soon, if interested parties want to move ahead with that. -g.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7482-98 except 7488, 7497

2013-07-08 Thread Tanner Swett
On Jul 8, 2013, at 3:27 PM, omd wrote: FOR: UNSUPPORTEDNESS For a proposal outside the Star Chamber, this vote presumably would have had the opposite effect. —Machiavelli

DIS: Re: OFF: [Horton] Promise Report

2013-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:31 AM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: ### Quantity: 10 Title: Hats Text: I change my vote on proposal X to Y, where X and Y are specified by the casher when cashing this promise.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Horton] Promise Report

2013-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:31 AM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: ### Quantity: 10 Title: Hats Text: I change my vote on proposal X to Y,

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread Matt Berlin
Yes, I believe that was the original intent of the rule, though not how it is written. Would support amendment. Also, this may apply to me. Is there a chronological record of registrations/deregistrations/holds? - arkestra On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:27 -0400, Matt Berlin wrote: Yes, I believe that was the original intent of the rule, though not how it is written. Would support amendment. Also, this may apply to me. Is there a chronological record of registrations/deregistrations/holds? It's in the Registrar's

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Apparently, you were registered contiguously from 2 Mar 06 to 31 May 07, easily long enough to satisfy the buggy requirement. Gratuitous: I have been interpreting it as non-buggy. If I say I've been here for two hours, it

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Apparently, you were registered contiguously from 2 Mar 06 to 31 May 07, easily long enough to satisfy the buggy requirement. Gratuitous: I have been interpreting it as non-buggy. If I say

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 13:41 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Apparently, you were registered contiguously from 2 Mar 06 to 31 May 07, easily long enough to satisfy the buggy requirement.

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread Matt Berlin
An Elder is a first-class player who has been registered continuously for at least 32 days Future Perfect Progressive Tense ( ie, happened in the past, is still going on, and may continue in the future) requires the present participle of the verb. I don't think registered would work for this (

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 17:01 -0400, Matt Berlin wrote: An Elder is a first-class player who has been registered continuously for at least 32 days Future Perfect Progressive Tense ( ie, happened in the past, is still going on, and may continue in the future) requires the present participle of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3358 assigned to ais523

2013-07-08 Thread Jonathan Rouillard
Good thing I'm supine, then. =P ~ Roujo On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 12:50 -0400, Jonathan Rouillard wrote: Detail: http://cotc.psychose.ca/viewcase.php?cfj=3358 == CFJ 3358

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Berlin arkes...@gmail.com wrote: An Elder is a first-class player who has been registered continuously for at least 32 days Future Perfect Progressive Tense ( ie, happened in the past, is still going on, and may continue in the future) requires the present

DIS: Re: BUS: My First CFJ

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Alex Smith wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 14:16 -0700, Lindar Greenwood wrote: I initiate a CFJ on the following: The common vernacular for someone who does something is Xor, where a Xor Xes. By rule 2408 the 'recordkeepor' is the title for one who keeps records

DIS: Re: BUS: My First CFJ

2013-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:40 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Lindar Greenwood lindartheb...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate a CFJ on the following: The common vernacular for someone who does something is Xor, where a Xor Xes. By rule 2408 the 'recordkeepor' is

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-08 Thread Craig Daniel
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:32 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Matt Berlin arkes...@gmail.com wrote: An Elder is a first-class player who has been registered continuously for at least 32 days Future Perfect Progressive Tense ( ie, happened in the past, is still

DIS: Re: BUS: My First CFJ

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, omd wrote: Proposal: Consistent inconsistency (AI=2) Amend Rule 2410 (Parties) and Rule 2413 (General Elections) by replacing Returning Officer with Returning Officor. At some point, a cute convention becomes hideously off-putting. I think it's about here.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My First CFJ

2013-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:43 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, that rule is quite broken as it prohibits discussing votes even after the end of the voting period. :D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: My First CFJ

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Sean Hunt wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:43 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, that rule is quite broken as it prohibits discussing votes even after the end of the voting period. I think the rule is wholly unenforceable anyway. Back in the Insane days, we

DIS: Re: BUS: Inactivity intents

2013-07-08 Thread Flameshadowxeroshin
I object. (However, I'm definitely not treating Agora right good currently, much less forever.) On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Wes Contreras w...@antitribu.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without objection, to make each of the following

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread Steven Gardner
On 9 July 2013 04:16, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Don't think CFJ about a registration attempt to discussion list is frivolous though :P According to the OED, 'frivolous' has a special legal sense meaning 'manifestly insufficient or futile'. Since it is well established in law

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread Steven Gardner
Let me stress that I'm talking hypothetically. Roujo never actually called for Judgement (wrong forum, hehe), and so did not actually commit the Crime. But I am interested to know what the Courts would consider a frivolous CFJ in the sense of the last paragraph of R869. On 9 July 2013 09:26,

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Let me stress that I'm talking hypothetically. Roujo never actually called for Judgement (wrong forum, hehe), and so did not actually commit the Crime. But I am interested to know what the Courts would consider a frivolous CFJ in the sense of the

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread Steven Gardner
Level confusion, Goethe. The Statement Roujo committed the Class-3 Crime of Hazing. is not frivolous; it alleges that Roujo frivolously CFJed on the success of a player's attempt to register. On 9 July 2013 10:10, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 9 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Level confusion, Goethe. The Statement Roujo committed the Class-3 Crime of Hazing. is not frivolous; it alleges that Roujo frivolously CFJed on the success of a player's attempt to register. No, I meant if I personally (independent of Roujo) CFJ'd

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Jumping Posture

2013-07-08 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:25 AM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal and pay the

DIS: Re: BUS: frivolity

2013-07-08 Thread Tanner Swett
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: CFJ #2 CoE em-dash Machiavelli

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to G.

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: R2410 allows a party constitution to amend itself arbitrarily. The fact that these amendments are mediated via R2410 and player announcement does not make it not a Nomic. The point is, the Party cannot *choose its own method of mediation*, while a nomic can.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to G.

2013-07-08 Thread Fool
On 08/07/2013 9:21 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: And when you think about it, no Nomic compels its own rule following. All Nomics are implicitly mediated by something, and this is not subject to amendment. Usually this is by its players directly, but there are other possibilities. But they *are*

DIS: Re: BUS: I register.

2013-07-08 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:08 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: (dunno why I'm bothering for 50 yaks, I think that reward should be at least twice as high.) It is for normal people.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to G.

2013-07-08 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Sure, a party can do this. And then splinter off and be a nomic. BUT IN DOING SO, IT IS NO LONGER THE PARTY that the officer Is tracking. fwiw, I agree that splintering off doesn't count, but I think that a system of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to G.

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: I had a look. The situation looks to me like this: the question was whether Agora would recognise it as a Contest, and when it broke a certain Agoran rule, it ceased to be a Contest. There wasn't a divergent version of Claustronomic that still existed in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to G.

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Sure, a party can do this. And then splinter off and be a nomic. BUT IN DOING SO, IT IS NO LONGER THE PARTY that the officer Is tracking. fwiw, I agree that splintering off

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Ambassadorial Actions

2013-07-08 Thread Fool
On 04/07/2013 8:12 PM, Charles Walker wrote: On 5 July 2013 01:09, Jonathan Rouillardjonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: I support, although I'd rather use Over/Finished, whichever was passed by proposal. Neither has passed yet; ask me again when one has. -- Walker Just passed. I prefer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to G.

2013-07-08 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Kerim Aydin wrote: Mainly, the sticking point is in the broadness of R2368's arbitrary, coupled with the fact that the mechanism CAN be changed within Agora, but CAN'T be changed by the Party, so from the point of view of Agora, there is at least one thing thing that CAN

DIS: Proposals 7493-7496

2013-07-08 Thread Fool
On 08/07/2013 8:41 PM, omd wrote: x7493 10 O D FoolComplete Rubbish And it's fair that this rejected. It was: {{ Fool CAN satisfy the Victory Condition of Complete Rubbish by announcement, if he has not already done so. Fool CAN cause this rule to repeal itself by announcement.

DIS: Re: BUS: Assurance

2013-07-08 Thread Fool
On 08/07/2013 4:06 PM, Sean Hunt wrote: I submit the following promise: Text { I taunt the Police, specifying 5. } Conditions for cashing { - I previously voted on an Agoran Decision as a direct result of a promise being cashed. - The voting period ended and my vote was not the same (after