DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

Meta-proposal: If a method of winning is repealed (or indirectly repealed as here), the same proposal should add a new method of winning. Otherwise don't vote for it. On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Trust tokens and apathy are dumb. Having said that, wouldn't it be fun > if everyone

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

On Tue, 2017-10-24 at 10:59 +1100, VJ Rada wrote: > Trust tokens and apathy are dumb. Having said that, wouldn't it be fun > if everyone tried their hardest to scam them and use them for one week > before their repeal? Apathy is mostly an outlet for scams in order to prevent them doing damage to

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

o. is a co-author of I Demand Faster Auctions, which you do not list here. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Also my two proposals about the mailing lists. > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 09:17 Alexis Hunt wrote: >> >> I believe my high power

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

Apathy isn't really a reset button though? And it incentivizes either A: hiding things so that nobody can see them (eg, in invisible email formats, long rulesets), B: obnoxious scams like posting "I intend to win by apathy" 4000 times or C: making other players unable to object for four days. None

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised FLR

Please describe the issue, it looks identical to what appears in the proposal to me. On 10/23/2017 06:19 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > A number of my previously issues, such as the text of rule 2309, > remain unfixed. > > On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 16:46 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

On Tue, 2017-10-24 at 11:29 +1100, VJ Rada wrote: > Does anyone want to come forward as actually significantly tracking > their trust tokens? Because then I will admit that they have worth as > a wincon. But it seems to me they're just even less achievable Stamps > that nobody tracks. I know I'm

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Herald] We'll win so much you'll be tired of winning

But once the action has been taken once, the decision has been resolved. On 10/23/2017 06:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > I CFJ by spending a Shiny: G. won the game on 23 Oct 17. > > Arguments: > > Rule 208 reads: >The vote collector for an unresolved Agoran decision CAN resolve >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised FLR

Its text is a copy of an older 2466. You also left some of the revision numbers unfixed; I have fixed all the issues I've raised, along with some formatting issues in the YAML files themselves, in my local copy of AgoraNomic/ruleset which I'll push shortly. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 20:34 Publius

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > Does anyone want to come forward as actually significantly tracking > their trust tokens? Because then I will admit that they have worth as > a wincon. But it seems to me they're just even less achievable Stamps > that nobody tracks. Yes. But I'll admit to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised FLR

Then, I must have sent out the wrong version sorry. After you push that, I will sen out a revised report. On 10/23/2017 08:39 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Its text is a copy of an older 2466. > > You also left some of the revision numbers unfixed; I have fixed all > the issues I've raised, along

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

On 10/23/2017 8:29 PM, VJ Rada wrote: Does anyone want to come forward as actually significantly tracking their trust tokens? Because then I will admit that they have worth as a wincon. But it seems to me they're just even less achievable Stamps that nobody tracks. I track my trust tokens. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

On Tue, 2017-10-24 at 10:59 +1100, VJ Rada wrote: > Trust tokens and apathy are dumb. Having said that, wouldn't it be fun > if everyone tried their hardest to scam them and use them for one week > before their repeal? Come to think of it, a good fix for our wincon situations would be to allow

Re: DIS: more questions

I'm now using Thunderbird, and am already incredibly pleased with it. It took a bit to figure out, but it does everything that Gmail didn't do that I needed and more.+ On 10/23/2017 1:26 PM, ATMunn . wrote: Alright, I'll try out Thunderbird. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Reuben Staley

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

I think I have one trust token that nobody else has, and doesn't think it make sense to track mine because of how few I have. I like the idea of having a long goal in mind, although I really don't have any beef with having underused mechanics. It may be worth pointing out that I have ideas for

Re: DIS: more questions

Your font looks weird to me on gmail though :) On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: > I'm now using Thunderbird, and am already incredibly pleased with it. It > took a bit to figure out, but it does everything that Gmail didn't do that I > needed and more.+ >

Re: DIS: more questions

It's not plain text mode, it's HTML mail sent with fixed-width font specified. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 21:08 VJ Rada wrote: > Your font looks weird to me on gmail though :) > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:07 PM, ATMunn wrote: > > I'm now using

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

Not right now, because PSS hasn't got two support or initiated the election. If you want to preempt him and initiate it now, you may. The ADoP no longer has to do anything straight after an election's initiation, because the Nomination Period lasts 7 days. After that's over, you have to distribute

Re: DIS: more questions

Yeah, it does look weird. I think this is better. On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: It's not plain text mode, it's HTML mail sent with fixed-width font specified. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 21:08 VJ Rada > wrote: Your font looks weird

Re: DIS: more questions

That's just massive now haha. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:13 PM, ATMunn wrote: > Yeah, it does look weird. I think this is better. > > > On 10/23/2017 9:10 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > It's not plain text mode, it's HTML mail sent with fixed-width font > specified. > > On

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

Why do I need two support? On 10/23/2017 09:12 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > Not right now, because PSS hasn't got two support or initiated the > election. If you want to preempt him and initiate it now, you may. The > ADoP no longer has to do anything straight after an election's > initiation, because

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

Sorry, I must have missed that. Well in that case Munn, you don't have to do anything now but you have to keep track of who's nominating and how long the nomination period is. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Why do I

Re: DIS: more questions

Yeah, I changed the size when trying to fix it before Alexis told me how to do it right. It should be better now...? On 10/23/2017 9:14 PM, VJ Rada wrote: That's just massive now haha. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:13 PM, ATMunn wrote: Yeah, it does look weird. I think

Re: DIS: more questions

This is the same as before. You want to find plain text mode, not mess with the formatting. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 21:22 ATMunn wrote: > Yeah, I changed the size when trying to fix it before Alexis told me how > to do it right. It should be better now...? > On

Re: DIS: more questions

Agh, now it's tiny again... I have no idea what I'm doing On 10/23/2017 9:22 PM, ATMunn wrote: Yeah, I changed the size when trying to fix it before Alexis told me how to do it right. It should be better now...? On 10/23/2017 9:14 PM, VJ Rada wrote: That's just massive now haha. On Tue,

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

Yeah I saw it, it was like 2 messages above my own late "I supports" in this very message chain. Hard to miss, one would think. On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:26 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-October/036547.html

Re: DIS: more questions

Maybe this is right? (probably not though) On 10/23/2017 9:24 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: This is the same as before. You want to find plain text mode, not mess with the formatting. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 21:22 ATMunn > wrote: Yeah,

Re: DIS: more questions

I am really enjoying reading this conversation using Pine. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, ATMunn wrote: > > Maybe this is right? (probably not though) > > > On 10/23/2017 9:24 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > This is the same as before. You want to find plain text mode, not mess > with the formatting.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised FLR

Yes, my main goal with this was to get an up to date ruleset published. If I were elected, I would rewrap the whole ruleset and improve the annotations. Additionally, I would reorganize the ruleset to be based on the subsystems, as opposed to the type of thing the rules is about. For example, I

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

Hmm, what happens if you lose, and then the new Rulekeepor doesn't fix them? Have you violated the pledge? On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 16:43 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote: > I announce my candidacy for Rulekeepor and pledge to fix the margins, if > the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

No, because I believe that the pledge is vague enough that if I provided a fix to the Rulekeepor, I would have fulfilled the pledge. On 10/23/2017 04:46 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > Hmm, what happens if you lose, and then the new Rulekeepor doesn't fix > them? Have you violated the pledge? > > On

Re: DIS: more questions

On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 09:33 -0400, ATMunn . wrote: > A few more questions I've thought of recently. > > What does the term "Class-N" crime mean? I couldn't find the definition > anywhere in the rules. Is it leftover from a previous ruleset? It used to specify a rules violation that had a

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised FLR

A number of my previously issues, such as the text of rule 2309, remain unfixed. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 16:46 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, my main goal with this was to get an up to date ruleset published. > If I were elected, I would

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

The Farm Rate rule is also missing. On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 22:05 Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 20:57 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I deputise for he Rulekeepor to publish the below SLR: >> >> THE SHORT

Re: DIS: more questions

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 09:33 -0400, ATMunn . wrote: >> When is it better to use MAY as opposed to CAN? > MAY is used in a situation where something would normally be possible > but illegal, and it makes it possible but

DIS: Re: OFF: Requirement Fulfilling Statement

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > As of the original publication time of the initial attempt to assess the > recent batch of proposals, the decision had not been resolved. Just an observation (I should have put in my judgement maybe). Most self-ratifying quantities

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Herald] We'll win so much you'll be tired of winning

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 18:32 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I CFJ by spending a Shiny: G. won the game on 23 Oct 17. > > Arguments: > > Rule 208 reads: >The vote collector for an unresolved Agoran decision CAN resolve >it by announcement, indicating the

Re: DIS: more questions

Okay, I finally figured it out and it should look right now. I honestly don't know why I didn't figure it out sooner. On 10/23/2017 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I am really enjoying reading this conversation using Pine. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, ATMunn wrote: Maybe this is right? (probably not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Clearing out our win-cons

I certainly don't have beef with underutilised mechanics either, and I'll confess I looked at this wincon as perhaps the most achievable without catching onto a scam. I wouldn't vote to repeal any wincons without adding new ones. On 2017-10-24 12:07, Josh T wrote: I think I have one trust

DIS: Re: BUS: Reinstating 狐票店

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Josh T wrote: > Assuming that Contracts are now a thing, I am going to reinstate the fox's > vote shoppe. > > If Contracts exist, I create the following contract, titled "狐票店", by paying > Agora 1 Shiny: > {{{ > The player 天火狐 is the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Regkeepor] ACORN

ah ok, ty On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's a report of all regulations. Regulations are intended as a way to > grant power under the rules to officers. They were enacted partly at > the request of a few players, who wished to use

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

I announce my candidacy. On 10/22/2017 09:09 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > I do so. > > -Aris > > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Reuben Staley > wrote: >> I support. >> >> -- >> Trigon >> >> On Oct 22, 2017 7:07 PM, "Alexis Hunt" wrote: >>> Ah, never

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7923-7929

Not until after 7930. On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 22:57 Alexis Hunt wrote: > Will you be resolving 7922 soon? > > > On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 at 08:31 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I resolve the decision(s) to adopt proposal(s)

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

Looks good to me. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed something up again. > > -Aris > > --- > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > Decision of whether to adopt it,

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

I believe my high power cleanup proposal is missing. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 09:11 ATMunn ., wrote: > Looks good to me. > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Aris Merchant < > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed

DIS: more questions

A few more questions I've thought of recently. What does the term "Class-N" crime mean? I couldn't find the definition anywhere in the rules. Is it leftover from a previous ruleset? I'm slowly starting to hate Gmail more and more as I use it. What's a good desktop client for Agora? When is it

Re: DIS: more questions

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:33 AM, ATMunn . wrote: > A few more questions I've thought of recently. > > What does the term "Class-N" crime mean? I couldn't find the definition > anywhere in the rules. Is it leftover from a previous ruleset? > > I'm slowly starting to hate

Re: DIS: more questions

Class-N is a leftover, I remember crimes working that way back when I was around originally. I use Thunderbird, which works well enough? Made by Mozilla and certainly decent. CAN suggests that it's possible to do, MAY suggests that it's legal to do (ie if it's already been established elsewhere

Re: DIS: more questions

I use Thunderbird as well when I'm on a desktop. It's a good, free solution and is very customisable. When I'm on mobile though I use the very bad Gmail app. I should probably find a better solution, but I haven't yet. -- Trigon On Oct 23, 2017 7:34 AM, "ATMunn ."

DIS: Re: BUS: Reinstating 狐票店

Re: Cards: The point isn't to specify cards for infractions, the point is to provide a suggestion as to which cards are appropriate, with the understanding that they will be assigned on a case-to-case basis depending on the specifics of the situation. Re: Announcement: As written, do I just

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3581 assigned to Alexis

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: Proposal: HTML Scrubbing (AI=1) {{{ The Distributor is hereby requested to enable the Mailman feature(s) to strip non-plain-text parts of emails sent by the agoranomic.org mailing lists. }}} Would this disallow _all_ non-text attachments, even those

Re: DIS: more questions

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, ATMunn wrote: Okay, I finally figured it out and it should look right now. I honestly don't know why I didn't figure it out sooner. Congratulations! On 10/23/2017 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I am really enjoying reading this conversation using Pine. I've been

DIS: Re: CJF (Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7922-7929)

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote: I'm just going to make sure my vote actually changes. If, despite the aforementioned October 19 post, my vote on proposals 7922-7929 has not changed, I vote as follows: Fortunately for you the judgement was that the previous one worked, because I don't

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I submit the following proposal, and pend it for 1 AP. An entity's tax amount is, at any given time, (max(ceil(T% of (S - 10)), 0)), where max is the maximum of its inputs, ceil is the operation of rounding up to the nearest integer, T is the tax

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] October Estate Auction

On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: >>> I had actually written a blurb, but then purposefully didn't submit it >>> because I didn't want >>> to put you on the hook. So FWIW I also believe that. >> >> Send it my way

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised FLR

On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET Comments: 1. A bunch of these still have wrapping problems. If it doesn't show up in your client, the below-quoted shows how it shows up for me (that's how it shows up for me even without quotes, and how

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Revised FLR

In my demo SLR, everything is wrapped to 72 columns. -- Trigon On Oct 23, 2017 9:00 AM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > THE FULL LOGICAL RULESET Comments: 1. A bunch of these still have wrapping problems. If it

DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

Just a draft to make sure I haven't messed something up again. -Aris --- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 8.0 and the valid

DIS: Re: BUS: Reinstating 狐票店

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 11:02 PM, Josh T wrote: > Assuming that Contracts are now a thing, I am going to reinstate the fox's > vote shoppe. > > If Contracts exist, I create the following contract, titled "狐票店", by paying > Agora 1 Shiny: > {{{ > The player 天火狐 is the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputisation] Short Logical Ruleset

nttpf On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I announce my candidacy.

Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft Report

Also my two proposals about the mailing lists. On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 at 09:17 Alexis Hunt wrote: > I believe my high power cleanup proposal is missing. > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 09:11 ATMunn ., wrote: > >> Looks good to me. >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017

Re: DIS: more questions

Alright, I'll try out Thunderbird. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: > I use Thunderbird as well when I'm on a desktop. It's a good, free > solution and is very customisable. > > When I'm on mobile though I use the very bad Gmail app. I should