Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[P. Subramani via Ai]

then the only choice for RBI is to retain 10mm size difference between 
various notes

E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192

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From: "Kanchan Pamnani via Ai" 

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Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
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Bhiwani
RBI says no cuts on paper.
I have seen the new 10 pound note. The dots are  clear but then the note 
is in plastic and not on paper.

Kanchan

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bhawani shankar verma via Ai

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braille numbers won't last longer. hence I suggest that there should be 
cuts of different shapes on the corners of notes.



-Original Message- 
From: Misbah via Ai

Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 12:44 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: Misbah
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
update on meeting with RBI

Hats off to the entire team for meeting and sensitizing the RBI
officials. As someone rightly stated, it is (RBI) n only an
implementing body so we should strongly push this key concern with
Government officials and honorable Courts. In my View also the
different sizes of the notes are the more practical solution. We can
also think of embossing Braille numbers in terms of 50, 100, 200
numbers respectively at each corners of the currency bills.  In the
meanwhile, we can use different pockets of our purses for
differentiating the currency or can try to use as much as possible the
digital payment system.

On 9/23/17, P. Subramani via Ai  
wrote:

meetings with ower people of rbi and the ministry  although good will not
get any steps forward as they are bound by certain rules, also they are
mere
implementers rather than decision-makers,  the last possible option is to
meet the finance minister to explain equovically the blind aren't able
identify these new notes, the same should be withdrawn and restore the
sizes
of old notes, even if they have  croers on new designs etc.,  its their
headache to have come up with solutions including for the blind,  we must
bring  this to pm's attention to find a immediate/suitable solution, or
else,  we will be left in the dark in the use of new notes
E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192

- Original Message -
From: "Ketan Kothari via Ai" 
To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Ketan Kothari" 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, 
an

update on meeting with RBI



Dear Friends,

Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also,
the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.

Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
 wrote:

Hi all,

Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
place.

We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
are the key highlights:
1. The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
2. The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
They also 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Kanchan Pamnani via Ai]

Bhiwani 
RBI says no cuts on paper. 
I have seen the new 10 pound note. The dots are  clear but then the note is in 
plastic and not on paper.  
Kanchan 

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma via Ai
Sent: 24 September 2017 15:19
To: Share, empower 
Cc: bhawani shankar verma
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI

braille numbers won't last longer. hence I suggest that there should be cuts of 
different shapes on the corners of notes.


-Original Message- 
From: Misbah via Ai
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 12:44 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: Misbah
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI

Hats off to the entire team for meeting and sensitizing the RBI
officials. As someone rightly stated, it is (RBI) n only an
implementing body so we should strongly push this key concern with
Government officials and honorable Courts. In my View also the
different sizes of the notes are the more practical solution. We can
also think of embossing Braille numbers in terms of 50, 100, 200
numbers respectively at each corners of the currency bills.  In the
meanwhile, we can use different pockets of our purses for
differentiating the currency or can try to use as much as possible the
digital payment system.

On 9/23/17, P. Subramani via Ai  wrote:
> meetings with ower people of rbi and the ministry  although good will not
> get any steps forward as they are bound by certain rules, also they are 
> mere
> implementers rather than decision-makers,  the last possible option is to
> meet the finance minister to explain equovically the blind aren't able
> identify these new notes, the same should be withdrawn and restore the 
> sizes
> of old notes, even if they have  croers on new designs etc.,  its their
> headache to have come up with solutions including for the blind,  we must
> bring  this to pm's attention to find a immediate/suitable solution, or
> else,  we will be left in the dark in the use of new notes
> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
> Mob:  9738150192
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ketan Kothari via Ai" 
> To: "Share, empower " 
> Cc: "Ketan Kothari" 
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
> update on meeting with RBI
>
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
>> meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also,
>> the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.
>>
>> Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
>> finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>> Ketan
>>
>> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
>>> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
>>> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
>>> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
>>> to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
>>> place.
>>>
>>> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
>>> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
>>> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
>>> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
>>> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
>>> are the key highlights:
>>> 1. The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
>>> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
>>> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
>>> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
>>> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
>>> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
>>> concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
>>> due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
>>> 2. The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
>>> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
>>> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
>>> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
>>> 3. Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
>>> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
>>> 4. Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
>>> perceptible tactile markings and keeping 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[bhawani shankar verma via Ai]

braille numbers won't last longer. hence I suggest that there should be cuts 
of different shapes on the corners of notes.



-Original Message- 
From: Misbah via Ai

Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 12:44 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: Misbah
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI


Hats off to the entire team for meeting and sensitizing the RBI
officials. As someone rightly stated, it is (RBI) n only an
implementing body so we should strongly push this key concern with
Government officials and honorable Courts. In my View also the
different sizes of the notes are the more practical solution. We can
also think of embossing Braille numbers in terms of 50, 100, 200
numbers respectively at each corners of the currency bills.  In the
meanwhile, we can use different pockets of our purses for
differentiating the currency or can try to use as much as possible the
digital payment system.

On 9/23/17, P. Subramani via Ai  wrote:

meetings with ower people of rbi and the ministry  although good will not
get any steps forward as they are bound by certain rules, also they are 
mere

implementers rather than decision-makers,  the last possible option is to
meet the finance minister to explain equovically the blind aren't able
identify these new notes, the same should be withdrawn and restore the 
sizes

of old notes, even if they have  croers on new designs etc.,  its their
headache to have come up with solutions including for the blind,  we must
bring  this to pm's attention to find a immediate/suitable solution, or
else,  we will be left in the dark in the use of new notes
E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192

- Original Message -
From: "Ketan Kothari via Ai" 
To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Ketan Kothari" 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
update on meeting with RBI



Dear Friends,

Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also,
the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.

Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
 wrote:

Hi all,

Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
place.

We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
are the key highlights:
1. The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
2. The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
3. Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
4. Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
different from normal paper.
5. The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
websites and apps was in brief.
6. Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.

So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
sufficiently addressed any time 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Misbah via Ai]

Hats off to the entire team for meeting and sensitizing the RBI
officials. As someone rightly stated, it is (RBI) n only an
implementing body so we should strongly push this key concern with
Government officials and honorable Courts. In my View also the
different sizes of the notes are the more practical solution. We can
also think of embossing Braille numbers in terms of 50, 100, 200
numbers respectively at each corners of the currency bills.  In the
meanwhile, we can use different pockets of our purses for
differentiating the currency or can try to use as much as possible the
digital payment system.

On 9/23/17, P. Subramani via Ai  wrote:
> meetings with ower people of rbi and the ministry  although good will not
> get any steps forward as they are bound by certain rules, also they are mere
> implementers rather than decision-makers,  the last possible option is to
> meet the finance minister to explain equovically the blind aren't able
> identify these new notes, the same should be withdrawn and restore the sizes
> of old notes, even if they have  croers on new designs etc.,  its their
> headache to have come up with solutions including for the blind,  we must
> bring  this to pm's attention to find a immediate/suitable solution, or
> else,  we will be left in the dark in the use of new notes
> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
> Mob:  9738150192
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ketan Kothari via Ai" 
> To: "Share, empower " 
> Cc: "Ketan Kothari" 
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
> update on meeting with RBI
>
>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
>> meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also,
>> the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.
>>
>> Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
>> finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>> Ketan
>>
>> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
>>> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
>>> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
>>> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
>>> to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
>>> place.
>>>
>>> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
>>> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
>>> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
>>> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
>>> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
>>> are the key highlights:
>>> 1. The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
>>> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
>>> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
>>> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
>>> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
>>> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
>>> concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
>>> due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
>>> 2. The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
>>> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
>>> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
>>> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
>>> 3. Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
>>> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
>>> 4. Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
>>> perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
>>> different from normal paper.
>>> 5. The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
>>> currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
>>> websites and apps was in brief.
>>> 6. Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
>>> and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
>>> not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
>>> variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
>>>
>>> So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
>>> our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
>>> sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice
>>> and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having
>>> notes 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[P. Subramani via Ai]

meetings with ower people of rbi and the ministry  although good will not 
get any steps forward as they are bound by certain rules, also they are mere 
implementers rather than decision-makers,  the last possible option is to 
meet the finance minister to explain equovically the blind aren't able 
identify these new notes, the same should be withdrawn and restore the sizes 
of old notes, even if they have  croers on new designs etc.,  its their 
headache to have come up with solutions including for the blind,  we must 
bring  this to pm's attention to find a immediate/suitable solution, or 
else,  we will be left in the dark in the use of new notes

E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192

- Original Message - 
From: "Ketan Kothari via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower " 
Cc: "Ketan Kothari" 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI




Dear Friends,

Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also,
the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.

Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
 wrote:

Hi all,

Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
place.

We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
are the key highlights:
1. The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
2. The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
3. Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
4. Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
different from normal paper.
5. The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
websites and apps was in brief.
6. Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.

So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice
and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having
notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more active
involvement from each of you and your network to really get them to
act on our suggestions.

Thanks and regards,
Team BGFI.



On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI)
 wrote:

Dear all,

Please find below the representation that we intend to share and
discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate
recommendations considering short term and long term needs of persons
with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please share your
feedback if any by today night.

---

To
Governor
Reserve Bank of India
Mumbai.
Subject: Representation to make Indian Currency notes easily
identifiable for the blind citizens

Respected sir,
Blind Graduates Forum of India brings to your kind notice the issue of
difficult-to-use Indian currency 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Mahendra Galani via Ai]

it may be possible, however
i think two solution is best approach,
with two solution i mean, first one withought any extra  device or app.

At 11:00 AM 9/23/2017 +0530, you wrote:

Is it  possible to  have a dedicated money identifying system for the
purpose such as the ones that exist in the US?
With warm regards
Solomon S
teachs...@gmail.com

On 9/23/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai  wrote:
> Pranav, in my opinion mobile app is second solution,
> not everyone can make use of it.
> so best approach is go back to difrunt sizes. .
>
> At 07:58 AM 9/23/2017 +0530, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>We need both approaches. Mobile apps will help but not for rapid
>>identification. Imagine getting out of a cab and having to pay for
>>it in cash? You can't be pulling out your phone, ensuring you have
>>enough light and then scanning qr codes etc. You need to be able to
>>tactually distinguish the notes. However, I may use a mobile app if
>>I am arranging my  cash.
>>]
>>Pranav
>>
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Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[soloman s via Ai]

Is it  possible to  have a dedicated money identifying system for the
purpose such as the ones that exist in the US?
With warm regards
Solomon S
teachs...@gmail.com

On 9/23/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai  wrote:
> Pranav, in my opinion mobile app is second solution,
> not everyone can make use of it.
> so best approach is go back to difrunt sizes. .
>
> At 07:58 AM 9/23/2017 +0530, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>We need both approaches. Mobile apps will help but not for rapid
>>identification. Imagine getting out of a cab and having to pay for
>>it in cash? You can't be pulling out your phone, ensuring you have
>>enough light and then scanning qr codes etc. You need to be able to
>>tactually distinguish the notes. However, I may use a mobile app if
>>I am arranging my  cash.
>>]
>>Pranav
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Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Mahendra Galani via Ai]

agree with Renuka.
At 10:22 AM 9/23/2017 +0530, you wrote:

In my opinion, only different size for defferent denominations is the
most viable solution.  Earlier this was the case  and the visually
challanged was more or less independent in the case of identifying
notes.

Renuka.

On 9/23/17, pranav.lal--- via Ai  wrote:
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> We need both approaches. Mobile apps will help but not for rapid
> identification. Imagine getting out of a cab and having to pay for it in
> cash? You can't be pulling out your phone, ensuring you have enough light
> and then scanning qr codes etc. You need to be able to tactually 
distinguish

> the notes. However, I may use a mobile app if I am arranging my  cash.
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Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Mahendra Galani via Ai]

Pranav, in my opinion mobile app is second solution,
not everyone can make use of it.
so best approach is go back to difrunt sizes. .

At 07:58 AM 9/23/2017 +0530, you wrote:

Hi all,

We need both approaches. Mobile apps will help but not for rapid 
identification. Imagine getting out of a cab and having to pay for 
it in cash? You can't be pulling out your phone, ensuring you have 
enough light and then scanning qr codes etc. You need to be able to 
tactually distinguish the notes. However, I may use a mobile app if 
I am arranging my  cash.

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Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Renuka Warriar Edakkunni via Ai]

In my opinion, only different size for defferent denominations is the
most viable solution.  Earlier this was the case  and the visually
challanged was more or less independent in the case of identifying
notes.

Renuka.

On 9/23/17, pranav.lal--- via Ai  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We need both approaches. Mobile apps will help but not for rapid
> identification. Imagine getting out of a cab and having to pay for it in
> cash? You can't be pulling out your phone, ensuring you have enough light
> and then scanning qr codes etc. You need to be able to tactually distinguish
> the notes. However, I may use a mobile app if I am arranging my  cash.
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[pranav.lal--- via Ai]

Hi all,

We need both approaches. Mobile apps will help but not for rapid 
identification. Imagine getting out of a cab and having to pay for it in cash? 
You can't be pulling out your phone, ensuring you have enough light and then 
scanning qr codes etc. You need to be able to tactually distinguish the notes. 
However, I may use a mobile app if I am arranging my  cash.
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Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[George Abraham via Ai]

Agreed! Mobile apps at this point in time is the privilege of a select few! Not 
a universal solution.

-Original Message-
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Mahendra Galani via Ai
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i feel, its not an universal solution,
At 05:53 PM 9/22/2017 +0530, you wrote:

>Would it help if the face value is also printed in QR code ? We could 
>then develop a simple solution to identify the denominations in the 
>form of a mobile app , or a seperet tiny gadget altogether
>
>On 21-Sep-2017 9:53 AM, "Sana Samad via Ai" 
><ai@accessindia.inclusivehab
>itat.in>
>wrote:
>I agree with BGFI that a lot of effort needs to be done. But I am sure 
>we will successedeed in our mission.
>
>On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai 
><ai@accessindia.inclusivehab
>itat.in>
>wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> > We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal 
> > Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all 
> > those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who 
> > wrote to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the 
> > first place.
> >
> > We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> > The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately 
> > they were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it 
> > was a much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to 
> > our suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. 
> > Below are the key highlights:
> > 1.    The longest conversation was on size variation which remains 
> > a major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation 
> > of notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the 
> > introduction of new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the 
> > width of all the notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will 
> > make it close to impossible for us to identify the notes. While the 
> > team understood our concerns, they expressed their own challenge of 
> > maintaining variation due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> > 2.    The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line 
> > and tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and 
> > confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> > They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> > 3.    Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they 
> > plan to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
> > 4.    Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of 
> > focusing on perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of 
> > notes different from normal paper.
> > 5.    The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other 
> > than currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on 
> > accessible websites and apps was in brief.
> > 6.    Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions 
> > with NGOs and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and 
> > suggestions have not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead 
> > with lower size variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new 
> > notes.
> >
> > So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team 
> > on our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues 
> > getting sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify 
> > our voice and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up 
> > having notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
> > We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more 
> > active involvement from each of you and your network to really get 
> > them to act on our suggestions.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Team BGFI.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) 
> > <contact.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and 
> >> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate 
> >> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of 
> >> persons with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please 
> >> share your feedback if any by today night.
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> To
> >> Governor
> >> Reserve Bank of India
> >> Mumbai.
> >> Subject: Representation to make Indian Currency notes easily 
> >> identifiable for the blind citizens
> >>
> >> Respected sir,
> >> Blind Graduates Forum of India brings to your kind notice the issue 
> >> of difficult-to-use Indian currency notes. We, the blind citizens 
> >> 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[syed imran via Ai]

Would it help if the face value is also printed in QR code ? We could then
develop a simple solution to identify the denominations in the form of a
mobile app , or a seperet tiny gadget altogether

On 21-Sep-2017 9:53 AM, "Sana Samad via Ai" <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

> I agree with BGFI that a lot of effort needs to be done. But I am sure
> we will successedeed in our mission.
>
> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
>  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> > We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
> > Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
> > those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
> > to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
> > place.
> >
> > We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> > The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
> > were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
> > much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
> > suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
> > are the key highlights:
> > 1.The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
> > major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
> > notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
> > new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
> > notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
> > impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
> > concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
> > due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> > 2.The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
> > tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
> > confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> > They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> > 3.Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
> > to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
> > 4.Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
> > perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
> > different from normal paper.
> > 5.The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
> > currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
> > websites and apps was in brief.
> > 6.Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
> > and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
> > not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
> > variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
> >
> > So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
> > our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
> > sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice
> > and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having
> > notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
> > We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more active
> > involvement from each of you and your network to really get them to
> > act on our suggestions.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Team BGFI.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI)
> >  wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and
> >> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate
> >> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of persons
> >> with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please share your
> >> feedback if any by today night.
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> To
> >> Governor
> >> Reserve Bank of India
> >> Mumbai.
> >> Subject: Representation to make Indian Currency notes easily
> >> identifiable for the blind citizens
> >>
> >> Respected sir,
> >> Blind Graduates Forum of India brings to your kind notice the issue of
> >> difficult-to-use Indian currency notes. We, the blind citizens face
> >> some genuine inconveniences in identifying various currency notes in
> >> circulation including the newly introduced ones. This has made daily
> >> living very difficult and has led to direct negative impact on
> >> livelihood for blind individuals across the country.
> >>
> >> Kindly consider the following recommendations to make Indian Currency
> >> accessible for the blind:
> >> 1.   Define Indian Currency Accessibility Guidelines to be mandatorily
> >> factored in every new release of notes and coins.
> >> 2.   Mandate adoption of available accessibility guidelines for mobile
> >> apps and websites meant for making financial transactions. Communicate
> >> the 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[George Abraham via Ai]

I think we should file cases in every High Court of the Nation. The Prime 
Minister and his Govt has to recognize that this is a problem, a real problem. 
A problem faced by people who are blind in every State of the country. Again it 
is a case of multiple voices from across India. More people (judges) are 
compelled to deliberate on the issue. This will give the issue a Nation wide 
feel. 

-Original Message-
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Kanchan Pamnani via Ai
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 2:28 PM
To: 'Share, empower '
Cc: Kanchan Pamnani
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update on meeting with RBI

George NAB I  had filed a case prior to the new notes and the case is still 
pending. Thinking about intervening but need to build up support and lots of 
material. Vishal is leading this initiative for BGFI and we are and have to 
support it. Will require your active   participation  when the campaign builds 
up. 
Shireen-Dialogue has been happening for 8 years since I have been involved. 
Based on Asif's email dialogue has been happening for more than 10 years. RBI 
is also consulting the right people/organisations but  At the meeting held 
on 19th Sept I discovered that the current team had not read the notes prepared 
by the earlier officials nor had they bothered to read the replies they had 
received from NGOS. Luckily I had a lot of the material. So consulting is a 
must but listening and implementing the suggestions is crucial.  Therefore the 
need for this fight.  
Vasu this fight has to be every day not every month. We don’t have time. The 
difference between the new Rs. 50 note and theRs. 200 note is very little. The 
probable Rs. 100 note is going to be in between these 2. We have a disaster in 
the making. It is too serious a matter for us not to work on this one issue 
till we win. 
RBI officials are very polite and helpful and very sensitive to our needs but 
on the ground the reality is simple -we have a major problem and one that will 
continue for a long time unless we rise for our rights. 
Kanchan 

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George Abraham via Ai
Sent: 22 September 2017 13:40
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update on meeting with RBI

Do you think we should file a case with the Court?

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From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of Ketan 
Kothari via Ai
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: Ketan Kothari
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI

Dear Friends,

Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also, the 
problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.

Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of finance 
as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai 
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal 
> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all 
> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote 
> to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first 
> place.
>
> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they 
> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a 
> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our 
> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below 
> are the key highlights:
> 1.The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of 
> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of 
> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the 
> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to 
> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our 
> concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation 
> due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> 2.The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and 
> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> 3.Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
> to continue with contrast 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[avinash shahi via Ai]

Lets go back to the maiden budget speech of Arun Jaitely in July 2014,
He promised to make notes and coins more accessible. The Hindu did a
very canded and powerful editorial over the proposal. And the
government reneiged from its commitment and introduced Rs 2000 and Rs
500 notes to complicate the problem.  You can bring finance Ministry
under the scanner in the next hearing. Please find the edit published
on 26th July 2014. You can also cite the Finance Budget 2014.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/editorial/a-commendable-move/article6234690.ece


On 9/22/17, Kanchan Pamnani via Ai  wrote:
> Case is pending. RBI has filed a reply. Finance Ministry has been sent a
> notice. Next date 30 or 31 October 2017.
> Don’t know anything about theCommittee.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
> avinash shahi via Ai
> Sent: 22 September 2017 14:16
> To: Share, empower 
> Cc: avinash shahi
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
> update on meeting with RBI
>
> I'm interested to know the outcome of the case filed by the NAB Mumbai in
> the Bombay HC against the government and the RBI. And what has happened to
> the committee constituted by the Finance Ministry two years ago to look into
> the issue of accessible currency.
>
>
> On 9/22/17, George Abraham via Ai 
> wrote:
>> Do you think we should file a case with the Court?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf
>> Of Ketan Kothari via Ai
>> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
>> To: Share, empower 
>> Cc: Ketan Kothari
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian
>> Currency, an update on meeting with RBI
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
>> meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also,
>> the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.
>>
>> Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
>> finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.
>>
>> With best wishes,
>>
>> Ketan
>>
>> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
>>> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
>>> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
>>> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who
>>> wrote to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the
>>> first place.
>>>
>>> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
>>> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
>>> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
>>> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
>>> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
>>> are the key highlights:
>>> 1.  The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
>>> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
>>> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
>>> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
>>> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
>>> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood
>>> our concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining
>>> variation due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
>>> 2.  The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
>>> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
>>> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
>>> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
>>> 3.  Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
>>> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
>>> 4.  Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
>>> perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
>>> different from normal paper.
>>> 5.  The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
>>> currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
>>> websites and apps was in brief.
>>> 6.  Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
>>> and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions
>>> have not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower
>>> size variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
>>>
>>> So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
>>> our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
>>> sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Kanchan Pamnani via Ai]

Case is pending. RBI has filed a reply. Finance Ministry has been sent a 
notice. Next date 30 or 31 October 2017. 
Don’t know anything about theCommittee. 
Kanchan  

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
avinash shahi via Ai
Sent: 22 September 2017 14:16
To: Share, empower 
Cc: avinash shahi
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI

I'm interested to know the outcome of the case filed by the NAB Mumbai in the 
Bombay HC against the government and the RBI. And what has happened to the 
committee constituted by the Finance Ministry two years ago to look into the 
issue of accessible currency.


On 9/22/17, George Abraham via Ai  wrote:
> Do you think we should file a case with the Court?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf 
> Of Ketan Kothari via Ai
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
> To: Share, empower 
> Cc: Ketan Kothari
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian 
> Currency, an update on meeting with RBI
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
> meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also, 
> the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.
>
> Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of 
> finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Ketan
>
> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai 
>  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
>> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal 
>> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all 
>> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who 
>> wrote to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the 
>> first place.
>>
>> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
>> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they 
>> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a 
>> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our 
>> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below 
>> are the key highlights:
>> 1.   The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
>> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of 
>> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of 
>> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the 
>> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to 
>> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood 
>> our concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining 
>> variation due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
>> 2.   The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
>> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and 
>> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
>> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
>> 3.   Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
>> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
>> 4.   Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
>> perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes 
>> different from normal paper.
>> 5.   The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
>> currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible 
>> websites and apps was in brief.
>> 6.   Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
>> and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions 
>> have not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower 
>> size variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
>>
>> So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on 
>> our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting 
>> sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice 
>> and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having 
>> notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
>> We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more 
>> active involvement from each of you and your network to really get 
>> them to act on our suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Team BGFI.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) 
>>  wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and 
>>> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate 
>>> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of 
>>> 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Srinivasu Chakravarthula via Ai]

Agree, Kanchan. If there is anything that I can do by meeting anyone in
Bangalore/Chennai / Hyderabad, do let me know and will be happy to do so.
OK to travel to these places. Of course my efforts by sending them
emails/tweets etc., will continue.

Regards,

Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com

Let's create an inclusive web!

Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica


On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Kanchan Pamnani via Ai <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

> George NAB I  had filed a case prior to the new notes and the case is
> still pending. Thinking about intervening but need to build up support and
> lots of material. Vishal is leading this initiative for BGFI and we are and
> have to support it. Will require your active   participation  when the
> campaign builds up.
> Shireen-Dialogue has been happening for 8 years since I have been
> involved. Based on Asif's email dialogue has been happening for more than
> 10 years. RBI is also consulting the right people/organisations but  At
> the meeting held on 19th Sept I discovered that the current team had not
> read the notes prepared by the earlier officials nor had they bothered to
> read the replies they had received from NGOS. Luckily I had a lot of the
> material. So consulting is a must but listening and implementing the
> suggestions is crucial.  Therefore the need for this fight.
> Vasu this fight has to be every day not every month. We don’t have time.
> The difference between the new Rs. 50 note and theRs. 200 note is very
> little. The probable Rs. 100 note is going to be in between these 2. We
> have a disaster in the making. It is too serious a matter for us not to
> work on this one issue till we win.
> RBI officials are very polite and helpful and very sensitive to our needs
> but on the ground the reality is simple -we have a major problem and one
> that will continue for a long time unless we rise for our rights.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
> George Abraham via Ai
> Sent: 22 September 2017 13:40
> To: 'Share, empower '
> Cc: George Abraham
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
> update on meeting with RBI
>
> Do you think we should file a case with the Court?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
> Ketan Kothari via Ai
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
> To: Share, empower 
> Cc: Ketan Kothari
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
> update on meeting with RBI
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
> meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also, the
> problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.
>
> Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
> finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Ketan
>
> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai  inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> > We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
> > Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
> > those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
> > to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
> > place.
> >
> > We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> > The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
> > were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
> > much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
> > suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
> > are the key highlights:
> > 1.The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
> > major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
> > notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
> > new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
> > notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
> > impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
> > concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
> > due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> > 2.The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
> > tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
> > confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> > They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> > 3.Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
> > to continue with contrast color, color variation, 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Kanchan Pamnani via Ai]

George NAB I  had filed a case prior to the new notes and the case is still 
pending. Thinking about intervening but need to build up support and lots of 
material. Vishal is leading this initiative for BGFI and we are and have to 
support it. Will require your active   participation  when the campaign builds 
up. 
Shireen-Dialogue has been happening for 8 years since I have been involved. 
Based on Asif's email dialogue has been happening for more than 10 years. RBI 
is also consulting the right people/organisations but  At the meeting held 
on 19th Sept I discovered that the current team had not read the notes prepared 
by the earlier officials nor had they bothered to read the replies they had 
received from NGOS. Luckily I had a lot of the material. So consulting is a 
must but listening and implementing the suggestions is crucial.  Therefore the 
need for this fight.  
Vasu this fight has to be every day not every month. We don’t have time. The 
difference between the new Rs. 50 note and theRs. 200 note is very little. The 
probable Rs. 100 note is going to be in between these 2. We have a disaster in 
the making. It is too serious a matter for us not to work on this one issue 
till we win. 
RBI officials are very polite and helpful and very sensitive to our needs but 
on the ground the reality is simple -we have a major problem and one that will 
continue for a long time unless we rise for our rights. 
Kanchan 

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
George Abraham via Ai
Sent: 22 September 2017 13:40
To: 'Share, empower '
Cc: George Abraham
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI

Do you think we should file a case with the Court?

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of Ketan 
Kothari via Ai
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: Ketan Kothari
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI

Dear Friends,

Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also, the 
problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.

Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of finance 
as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai 
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal 
> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all 
> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote 
> to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first 
> place.
>
> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they 
> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a 
> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our 
> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below 
> are the key highlights:
> 1.The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of 
> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of 
> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the 
> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to 
> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our 
> concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation 
> due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> 2.The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and 
> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> 3.Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
> 4.Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
> perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes 
> different from normal paper.
> 5.The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
> currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible 
> websites and apps was in brief.
> 6.Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
> and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have 
> not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size 
> variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
>
> So on the whole the meeting was 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[avinash shahi via Ai]

I'm interested to know the outcome of the case filed by the NAB Mumbai
in the Bombay HC against the government and the RBI. And what has
happened to the committee constituted by the Finance Ministry two
years ago to look into the issue of accessible currency.


On 9/22/17, George Abraham via Ai  wrote:
> Do you think we should file a case with the Court?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
> Ketan Kothari via Ai
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
> To: Share, empower 
> Cc: Ketan Kothari
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an
> update on meeting with RBI
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
> meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also, the
> problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.
>
> Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
> finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Ketan
>
> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
>  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
>> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
>> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
>> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
>> to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
>> place.
>>
>> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
>> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
>> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
>> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
>> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
>> are the key highlights:
>> 1.   The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
>> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
>> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
>> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
>> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
>> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
>> concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
>> due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
>> 2.   The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
>> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
>> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
>> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
>> 3.   Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
>> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
>> 4.   Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
>> perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
>> different from normal paper.
>> 5.   The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
>> currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
>> websites and apps was in brief.
>> 6.   Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
>> and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
>> not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
>> variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
>>
>> So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
>> our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
>> sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice
>> and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having
>> notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
>> We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more active
>> involvement from each of you and your network to really get them to
>> act on our suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Team BGFI.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI)
>>  wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and
>>> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate
>>> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of persons
>>> with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please share your
>>> feedback if any by today night.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> To
>>> Governor
>>> Reserve Bank of India
>>> Mumbai.
>>> Subject: Representation to make Indian Currency notes easily
>>> identifiable for the blind citizens
>>>
>>> Respected sir,
>>> Blind Graduates Forum of India brings to your kind notice the issue
>>> of difficult-to-use Indian currency notes. We, the blind citizens
>>> face some genuine inconveniences in 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[George Abraham via Ai]

Do you think we should file a case with the Court?

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of Ketan 
Kothari via Ai
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:08 PM
To: Share, empower 
Cc: Ketan Kothari
Subject: Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an 
update on meeting with RBI

Dear Friends,

Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also, the 
problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.

Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of finance 
as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai 
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal 
> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all 
> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote 
> to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first 
> place.
>
> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they 
> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a 
> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our 
> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below 
> are the key highlights:
> 1.The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of 
> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of 
> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the 
> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to 
> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our 
> concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation 
> due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> 2.The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and 
> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> 3.Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
> 4.Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
> perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes 
> different from normal paper.
> 5.The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
> currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible 
> websites and apps was in brief.
> 6.Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
> and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have 
> not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size 
> variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
>
> So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on 
> our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting 
> sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice 
> and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having 
> notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
> We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more active 
> involvement from each of you and your network to really get them to 
> act on our suggestions.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Team BGFI.
>
>
>
> On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) 
>  wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and 
>> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate 
>> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of persons 
>> with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please share your 
>> feedback if any by today night.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> To
>> Governor
>> Reserve Bank of India
>> Mumbai.
>> Subject: Representation to make Indian Currency notes easily 
>> identifiable for the blind citizens
>>
>> Respected sir,
>> Blind Graduates Forum of India brings to your kind notice the issue 
>> of difficult-to-use Indian currency notes. We, the blind citizens 
>> face some genuine inconveniences in identifying various currency 
>> notes in circulation including the newly introduced ones. This has 
>> made daily living very difficult and has led to direct negative 
>> impact on livelihood for blind individuals across the country.
>>
>> Kindly consider the following recommendations to make Indian Currency 
>> accessible for the blind:
>> 1.   Define Indian Currency Accessibility Guidelines to be mandatorily
>> 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Ketan Kothari via Ai]

Dear Friends,

Extremely good work.   I remember having participated in at least 2
meetings of this nature.  Unfortunately, not much has yielded.  Also,
the problem of coins is equally challenging and is getting worse.

Actually, I feel that we must take up this issue with the minister of
finance as at a certain level, RBI is also bound by executive orders.

With best wishes,

Ketan

On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
> Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
> those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
> to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
> place.
>
> We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
> were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
> much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
> suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
> are the key highlights:
> 1.The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
> major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
> notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
> new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
> notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
> impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
> concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
> due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> 2.The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
> tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
> confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> 3.Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
> to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
> 4.Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
> perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
> different from normal paper.
> 5.The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
> currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
> websites and apps was in brief.
> 6.Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
> and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
> not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
> variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
>
> So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
> our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
> sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice
> and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having
> notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
> We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more active
> involvement from each of you and your network to really get them to
> act on our suggestions.
>
> Thanks and regards,
> Team BGFI.
>
>
>
> On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI)
>  wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and
>> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate
>> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of persons
>> with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please share your
>> feedback if any by today night.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> To
>> Governor
>> Reserve Bank of India
>> Mumbai.
>> Subject: Representation to make Indian Currency notes easily
>> identifiable for the blind citizens
>>
>> Respected sir,
>> Blind Graduates Forum of India brings to your kind notice the issue of
>> difficult-to-use Indian currency notes. We, the blind citizens face
>> some genuine inconveniences in identifying various currency notes in
>> circulation including the newly introduced ones. This has made daily
>> living very difficult and has led to direct negative impact on
>> livelihood for blind individuals across the country.
>>
>> Kindly consider the following recommendations to make Indian Currency
>> accessible for the blind:
>> 1.   Define Indian Currency Accessibility Guidelines to be mandatorily
>> factored in every new release of notes and coins.
>> 2.   Mandate adoption of available accessibility guidelines for mobile
>> apps and websites meant for making financial transactions. Communicate
>> the guidelines extensively to all the stakeholders.
>> 3.   Use both length and width of the notes to differentiate between
>> each of the notes. The length of the new Rs. 2000, Rs. 500, Rs. 200
>> and 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Srinivasu Chakravarthula via Ai]

Thank you team for that update as well as for meeting with RBI. I think we
should continue sending representations once a month until they address the
issue. We should show them how serious we are in our ask.

Regards,

Srinivasu Chakravarthula - Twitter: http://twitter.com/CSrinivasu/
Website: http://www.srinivasu.org | http://serveominclusion.com

Let's create an inclusive web!

Lead Accessibility Consultant, Informatica


On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Shireen Irani via Ai <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

> That's great. at least a dialog has been initiated. And there is no
> disregard for our issues. the only things in the way are practical
> barriers  in the implementation. I also feel that our concerns may not
> be addressed now, but the next time that new notes are issued. since
> they've already spent krores of rupees on these new notes it is not
> practical to expect them to get those out of circulation. so what is
> needed now is a more long-term, on-going engagement with them, so that
> we remain on their mind whenever they print new currency. not sure how
> that can happen, but at least the people employed within RBI could
> remain on top of things and perhaps keep engaging with them  in some
> way to ensure that they are consulted before the next round.
>
> Shireen.
>
> On 9/20/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai
>  wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
> > We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
> > Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
> > those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
> > to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
> > place.
> >
> > We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
> > The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
> > were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
> > much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
> > suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
> > are the key highlights:
> > 1.The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
> > major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
> > notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
> > new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
> > notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
> > impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
> > concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
> > due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
> > 2.The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
> > tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
> > confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
> > They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
> > 3.Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
> > to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
> > 4.Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
> > perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
> > different from normal paper.
> > 5.The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
> > currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
> > websites and apps was in brief.
> > 6.Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
> > and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
> > not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
> > variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.
> >
> > So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
> > our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
> > sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice
> > and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having
> > notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
> > We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more active
> > involvement from each of you and your network to really get them to
> > act on our suggestions.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Team BGFI.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI)
> >  wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and
> >> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate
> >> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of persons
> >> with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please share your
> >> feedback if any by today night.
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> To
> >> Governor
> >> Reserve Bank of India
> >> Mumbai.
> >> Subject: Representation to make Indian 

Re: [Ai] Representation to RBI for accessible Indian Currency, an update on meeting with RBI

[Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI) via Ai]

Hi all,

Here is a brief update on our meeting with RBI authorities.
We had Kanchan Pamnani, Suhas Karnik, Amar Jain and myself Vishal
Kumar Jain attending the meeting. First of all thanks a lot for all
those who have supported with a lot of ground work and those who wrote
to the authorities which enabled us have this meeting in the first
place.

We discussed on each of the points highlighted in the representation.
The RBI team was relatively new to the subject and unfortunately they
were not updated with earlier conversations on it. Overall it was a
much needed discussion and the team was receptive to listen to our
suggestions. However the team avoided making any commitments. Below
are the key highlights:
1.  The longest conversation was on size variation which remains a
major issue. If RBI goes ahead with their plan, the size variation of
notes will come down from 10mm to around 4mm with the introduction of
new Rs. 100, Rs. 20 and Rs. 10 notes. More over the width of all the
notes is expected to be the same (66mm). This will make it close to
impossible for us to identify the notes. While the team understood our
concerns, they expressed their own challenge of maintaining variation
due to reduction in overall size of the notes.
2.  The team was taken aback to understand that the bleed line and
tactile markings are not perceivable. They accepted the fact and
confirmed to prioritize on finding a solution to make it perceivable.
They also expressed technical challenges in making it happen.
3.  Inputs on low vision friendly features was welcomed and they plan
to continue with contrast color, color variation, font size, etc.
4.  Fake notes issue was acknowledge and they thought of focusing on
perceptible tactile markings and keeping the texture of notes
different from normal paper.
5.  The team confirmed to pass on inputs related to issues other than
currency notes to relevant departments and discussion on accessible
websites and apps was in brief.
6.  Most importantly we discovered that RBI had interactions with NGOs
and teams like us in the past. However the inputs and suggestions have
not been valued given the fact they have gone ahead with lower size
variation and unperceivable tactile markings in the new notes.

So on the whole the meeting was productive in sensitizing the team on
our needs. At the same time it doesn’t assure of our issues getting
sufficiently addressed any time soon. Unless we intensify our voice
and raise the issue on all possible forums, we will end up having
notes with very little size variation making it highly inaccessible.
We will continue our effort on this. However we would need more active
involvement from each of you and your network to really get them to
act on our suggestions.

Thanks and regards,
Team BGFI.



On 9/18/17, Blind Graduates' Forum of India (BGFI)
 wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Please find below the representation that we intend to share and
> discuss with RBI during our meeting in person. Have incorporate
> recommendations considering short term and long term needs of persons
> with visual impairment. The meeting is tomorrow, so please share your
> feedback if any by today night.
>
> ---
>
> To
> Governor
> Reserve Bank of India
> Mumbai.
> Subject: Representation to make Indian Currency notes easily
> identifiable for the blind citizens
>
> Respected sir,
> Blind Graduates Forum of India brings to your kind notice the issue of
> difficult-to-use Indian currency notes. We, the blind citizens face
> some genuine inconveniences in identifying various currency notes in
> circulation including the newly introduced ones. This has made daily
> living very difficult and has led to direct negative impact on
> livelihood for blind individuals across the country.
>
> Kindly consider the following recommendations to make Indian Currency
> accessible for the blind:
> 1.Define Indian Currency Accessibility Guidelines to be mandatorily
> factored in every new release of notes and coins.
> 2.Mandate adoption of available accessibility guidelines for mobile
> apps and websites meant for making financial transactions. Communicate
> the guidelines extensively to all the stakeholders.
> 3.Use both length and width of the notes to differentiate between
> each of the notes. The length of the new Rs. 2000, Rs. 500, Rs. 200
> and Rs. 50 is the same.
> 4.Categorize notes into two sets in terms of sizes, one for lower
> denominations and the other for higher denominations. Differentiate
> each set with a minimum of 10mm in length.
> 5.Maintain variation of at least 10mm in width between every note,
> for both lower and higher denominations. For instance the variation in
> length between Rs. 200 and Rs. 500 is just 4mm which is extremely
> difficult to differentiate.
> 6.Incorporate easily perceptible tactile marking, embossed letters
> and / or bleed lines. These features should not fade away with use and
> should be very