Re: On implementing PDK-s rules and tech description for Electric

[Travis Ayres]

I'll bet anything that all Cadence files specify in their license that you
are not to use them with other tools, not to use them for the purpose of
implementing them in other tools, and probably required by license not to
think of other tools while you're using them.

I'm not a lawyer, but I sincerely doubt you could do this in a legally
kosher way if you start from a Cadence file.

"I can find the Cadence files online" isn't a license to use them how you
want.


On Mon, Sep 2, 2019, 3:36 AM Alexandre Rusev  wrote:

> One of possible approaches to implement freepdk (and other PDK-s techns)
> for electric may be converting various technology descriptions from
> Cadence format, using any available PDK.
> The generic PDK from Cadence is one of possible variants.
>
> https://perso.telecom-paristech.fr/mathieu/ICS904_TP_LAYOUT/html/_static/doc/gpdk045_drc.pdf
>
> We also can take look at simpler PDK-s likes freely available organic
> process PDK
> http://opdk.umn.edu/tutorial2.html
>
> Helpfull docs on Cadence DRC and tech format descriptions I found
> in Utah>
> http://www.cs.utah.edu/~rfonnesb/ee6961/docs/
>
> We also need to look at technology layers manual (with usefull figures in
> it;) ) to edit electric technology file.
>
>
>
> Looking for information in google I encounted a nice piece of educational
> CAD which calls MicroWind
> http://www.microwind.net/
>
> This is eduactional only and tool, yet it demonstrates main features of
> various submicrone technologies, rule files a the text files and are freely
> available.
>
> https://github.com/shmmy/vlsi/tree/master/vlsi_2011/MW3.1.7/MW3.1.7/rules
>
> Besides coding correct DRC rules we need to make ensure that our electric
> tech description exports the GDS layers needed to the target fab to create
> working layout.
>
> For this purpose we need to generate some reference layouts with
> cadence tools (as long as we are porting cadence oriented pdk-s to
> electric)
>
> We also need to exchange with EDIF netlist format between electric and
> cadence/calibre and compare LVS results of both cads.
>
> We also need to extract SPICE models for ELDO or Spectre model files which
> are typically provided with cadence oriented PDK-s.
>
> Generally may be we need to start with simpler point - just to look at
> DRC description examples for Cadence, Microwind, TaannerEDA and code
> technology layers for Electric...
>
> I am working on that last (simplified) approach...
> adding their layers
> https://www.eda.ncsu.edu/wiki/FreePDK45:Layers
> and implementing their rules
> https://www.eda.ncsu.edu/wiki/FreePDK45:Contents
> may be NOT a "rocket science" itself, but it looks like that I have now
> full access to all FreePDK45 resources, not being an academic user.
>
> We need detail information on sheet resistance, parasitic capacitance and
> so on.
>
> It still not clear which fab will produce chips designed for this PDK :(
>
>
>
> Support of fab-s models in NGSpice is aso an issue, at the moment I do not
> know how to simulate their "new fasioned" BSIM model with LEVEL 53
>
>
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Re: EDA tool to compare with Electric (Glade is free but not opensource)

[Travis Ayres]

Francesc Serra-Graells has also produced the "Academic PDK" which is
sufficient for some very good exploration:
http://www.cnm.es/~pserra/apdk/



On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 8:57 AM Alexandre Rusev  wrote:

> Glade is free but not opensource
>
> Not sure that analog workflow is developed to the same extent as in
> our Electric...
> But functionality related to EDA formats exchange (LEF,DEF, ...), GUI
> concepts and so on may be interesting to compare to currenc state of
> Electric
>
>
> http://www.peardrop.co.uk/glade/gettingStarted.htm
> http://www.peardrop.co.uk/glade/
> http://www.peardrop.co.uk/glade/techfile_into.htm
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Re: [Lazarus] Feedback Wanted: Next tutoring project

[Travis Ayres via lazarus]

Off topic:
You seem to have nailed wire drawing algorithms - do you have a good
resource for that? I have to do something similar.
On topic:
Bravo on the previous project, looking forward to the next one. Was shocked
at how complete and awesome it was. By all means, continue.


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> As some of you may have been following, a little more than a week ago I
> asked for community feedback on an a project I was planning. The project
> turned out very well and if you haven't seen yet, or haven't checked out
> the git repository, I've made a few enhancements including fixing a few
> cross platform bugs and enhancing the way the node wires are drawn:
>
> https://www.getlazarus.org/learn/tutorials/examples/imageshop/
>
> Now I am starting on a new project in the same vein , and that is to
> design an example program were students I am teaching can get immediate
> feedback on the functions they add to the project. I'd like to submit my
> new project idea to you again in the hopes that you can make some good
> suggestions before I start implementing it.
>
> Here is my idea:
>
> I want to design an example project that allows students to write
> functions that generate musical tones. These tones can then be mapped to
> their keyboard where they can play it like a piano. They will also have the
> ability visual the tones through an oscilloscope like graph that I draw. As
> tones are played they can see the graph chance in real time.
>
> Types of tones that students might create include square wave, saw wave,
> sin wave, and other wave types.
>
> I am also considering a simplified musical staff where tones can be placed
> on it, drags to be resized or move, and a lasso select can alter the tonal
> properties of their selections.
>
> Finally I might add the ability to save and load tones to and from musical
> staff so that songs can be created or loaded and played using their tones.
>
> Does anyone care to provide any feedback on this idea before I implement
> it?
>
> Thanks again.
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Re: [Lazarus] Image Shop, a tool for students learning to program

[Travis Ayres via lazarus]

This is bad ass. Plus, not a game. Extremely impressive!

On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 6:22 PM Anthony Walter via lazarus <
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> I wanted to follow up on a concept OI ran past everyone last Friday.
>
> Here is the final product of a tool I created to encourage programming
> students to learn programming in a fun way.
>
> The tool called Image Shop, allows users to drop image manipulation
> functions on a design surface. They can wire up and organize their function
> to create new and different effects. They can also rebuild the program with
> more functions to create new and interesting image effects.
>
> An overview and video with links to sources and binaries is available
> here:
>
> https://www.getlazarus.org/learn/tutorials/examples/imageshop/
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Re: [Gnoga-list] David

[Travis Ayres]

While we're at it, can we talk about instructions for using Ada with MSYS2?

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 6:52 PM David Botton  wrote:

> Looks like power outage and ups dead. I’ll bring back up tomorrow and get
> a new ups
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 7:47 AM Jeremiah Breeden <
> jeremiah.bree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have any of yall heard from David?  All 3 of his gnoga sites have gone
>> down (www.gnoga.com, www.learnadanow.com, www.getadanow.com).
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Re: [Lazarus] Feeback wanted: Tutoring kids with Pascal project idea

[Travis Ayres via lazarus]

Avoid the most pertinent subject for their age bracket that led a huge
number of us into the field.

Weird flex, but ok. In adultspeak: That's a questionable pedagogic choice.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 12:10 PM Anthony Walter via lazarus <
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> Thanks Gustavo.
>
> With the kids I am teaching I try to avoid all content related to
> computers used to play or write video games.
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[Gnoga-list] User guide question: Renaming is a convenient way to upcast in event handlers

[Travis Ayres]

View : Default_View_Type renames Default_View_Type (Object);
 --  Renaming is a convenient way to "upcast" in event handlers

Can someone please elaborate on this? I don't know how to parse this in my
brain.
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[Gnoga-list] Gnoga user guide - Hello World

[Travis Ayres]

"Let’s copy the needed boot files now:

cd ~/workspace/hello
cp ../gnoga/html/* html/
cp ../gnoga/js/* js/"


Should the copy commands be cp -r so that it grabs the /html/fonts
folder, for example?


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Re: More on FreePDK

[Travis Ayres]

Nice idea. Never going to happen, but nice idea.

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019, 8:40 AM Alexandre Rusev  http://www.futureware.at/CrowdFunding/OpenPDK/
>
> https://www.vlsisystemdesign.com/paper-1-padframe-generator-for-qflow/
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Re: [casper] CASPER design question

[Travis Ayres]

What's the requirement for phase noise between the channels?

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 8:48 AM Gary, Dale E.  wrote:

> Hi Casperites,
>
> I received an inquiry from Neal Hurlburt, from Lockheed Martin (Palo
> Alto), who wants to look into the possibility of using CASPER hardware and
> tools to design a prototype system for interferometry of optical signals.
> So far the specifications are quite fluid (see message below)--they would
> like a 500 MHz bandwidth, but would accept as low as 50 MHz.  However, he
> is looking for 60-100 inputs, so I guess he is driven to the lower end of
> this bandwidth range.  Neal is not an engineer, but he can relay some
> suggestions from this list to engineering support at Lockheed.  If anyone
> has some suggestions for Neal, especially any projects of a similar nature,
> he would be delighted to hear from you.  I added his name to the cc list.
>
> Many thanks,
> Dale
>
> Hi Dale,
>
> Thanks for the info on your experience with CASPER. At a minimum, we are
> looking for a system that can digitize and correlate about 60 elements at
> 50 to 500Mhz each. It sounds like CASPER is a good starting point. Who do
> you suggest we talk to at Berkeley?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>
> 
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> Manager, Space Science & Software
> Space Science & Instrumentation
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Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

[Travis Ayres via lazarus]

When this issue cropped up on the mailing list, I went and reviewed the
archive. You link to Michael finally "snapping", and even then he wasn't
rude or out of place at all; I agree with Michael that the emails in the
archives speak for themselves.

Michael seems extremely patient and completely professional - traits that I
find productive in any environment. He's given you multiple chances to drop
it, and even offered to welcome you back if you changed your communication
methods. You're clearly extremely talented - which is absolutely useless
without the soft skills to get your changes considered effectively.
Perhaps brushing up on interpersonal communication would be beneficial.

In any event, I think if everyone just said, "Gee, I got heated, I am
sorry, we can all learn from this", we could all move on and FPC would be
better for it. A split in a community that is already small is detrimental
for new users and is unprofessional from a business perspective - how would
we expect a business to use tools from a community that can't even agree
enough to produce canonical items, or work to resolve technical issues
without serious fracture?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:48 AM Maciej Izak via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> pt., 21 gru 2018 o 19:28 Travis Ayres via lazarus <
> lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> napisał(a):
>
>> There needs to be provisions for making people full time to work on
>> FPC/Lazarus as well -
>> "Foundation makes provision {document or processes} for administrative
>> costs, in order to make their application transparent and in consideration
>> of the valuable time of contributors, with Foundation approval and as
>> documented in {Living document Y}".
>>
>
> This would be good. I think that clear rules are always fine. Also the
> very important is to not concentrate all power in the hand of one person
> without any control (for example in much smaller project like NewPascal I
> don't have exclusive control). Some time ago I was involved in many parts
> of work in FPC compiler (generics.collections, management operators other
> fixes for compiler and new features in progress) but in the case of
> personal conflict, project has no instance of appeal or regulations or any
> code of conduct. So instead of coding I need to waste time to shows what
> happened. Sadly...
>
> It looks like David's fight with Goliath. Anyway the truth is important.
>
> All is fine when someone has the same opinion like Michael Van Canneyt.
> The style of communication with Michael is visible in this thread, when he
> know he is not right he is just ignoring messages, but he is first to throw
> the rock. He is using power - not arguments. No one can do anything because
> he has full control on all infrastructure.
>
> Admin, lead of project, programmer and foundation ruler in one person? Too
> much power always corrupts.
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Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

[Travis Ayres via lazarus]

There needs to be provisions for making people full time to work on
FPC/Lazarus as well -
"Foundation makes provision {document or processes} for administrative
costs, in order to make their application transparent and in consideration
of the valuable time of contributors, with Foundation approval and as
documented in {Living document Y}".


On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 10:22 AM Travis Ayres  Something like, "The following companies and/or persons have violated
> foundation rule {whatever} and will not receive consideration from the
> Foundation without {process}" and add MLM Vibes to it, so they can
> officially never be considered for anything, ever?
>
> Also, as far as processes go, there needs to be a well defined criteria
> for the application of monies towards Lazarus/FPC - "Foundation will only
> consider for approval entities with administrative costs for fundraising
> below {extremely low amount, fixed as a percentage and dollar amount} in
> order to ensure funds will mainly be used for the preservation and
> furtherance of Lazarus/FPC, in consideration of Foundation's Free and Open
> Nonprofit position."
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Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

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Something like, "The following companies and/or persons have violated
foundation rule {whatever} and will not receive consideration from the
Foundation without {process}" and add MLM Vibes to it, so they can
officially never be considered for anything, ever?

Also, as far as processes go, there needs to be a well defined criteria for
the application of monies towards Lazarus/FPC - "Foundation will only
consider for approval entities with administrative costs for fundraising
below {extremely low amount, fixed as a percentage and dollar amount} in
order to ensure funds will mainly be used for the preservation and
furtherance of Lazarus/FPC, in consideration of Foundation's Free and Open
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Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

[Travis Ayres via lazarus]

Can we add a list of business to never do business with as an foundation
charter point, and add "MLM Vibes" to it? I'll help write that up.

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018, 10:07 AM Juha Manninen via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org wrote:

> Was this a MLM Vibes advertisement all the time?
> Oh boy!
>
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Re: [Lazarus] Crowdfunding to speed up the development of pas2js in Lazarus Widgetset and fpDebug to FPC

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I know that I haven't donated because there is no breakdown of funds spent,
technical items achieved, conferences held, books published, articles
printed, industry partners, etc.

There doesn't seem to be any organization or progress with the foundation.
There isn't even a listing of FPC/Lazarus users groups worldwide, etc.

It doesn't seem like a foundation at all.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018, 2:42 PM Edivando via lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org wrote:

> Boa noite,
>
> Estava me informando melhor a respeito da fundação freepascal
> ([url]https://foundation.freepascal.org/about[/url]) para onde os fundos
> de
> doações são redirecionados. Uma Página Web pouco profissional para os
> padrões de hoje. O estatuto da fundação diz estar sendo traduzido para o
> inglês e devido a isso não está disponível no site (muito estranho isso
> devido a tanto tempo de existência da fundação) e a opção para afiliação
> está indisponível pois o estatuto está sob revisão(outra coisa muito
> estranha para uma fundação com tanto tempo de existência e existir apenas 3
> filiados).
>
> Acho que com uma política assim quem usa as ferramentas FPC/Lazarus/Pas2JS
> como uma solução completa para sua Software House  fica um pouco apreensivo
> por uma parte fundamental da fundação (A Gestão da fundação) ficar em
> segundo plano.
>
> Vejo que se a comunidade quer ser projetos feitos usando as soluçoes
> FPC/Lazarus competitivas no cenário de TI temos que modernizar também essa
> situação pois parece que o interesse da comunidade não está sendo ouvida
> pela fundação da melhor forma possível.
>
> Eu mesmo estou tentando dar ideias para uma revitalização da comunidade com
> novos nichos de contribuições e fui questionado pelo Michael com o seguinte
> texto:
>
> [i]“Why do you need a separate crowdfunding effort, if the Free Pascal and
> Lazarus foundation has been created specially for this ?
>
> Michael.”. [/i]
>
> Não sei dizer se o michael seria o mesmo “Michael Van Canneyt (secretary)”
> secretário da fundação Free Pascal, mais se for o mesmo fica um pouco
> estranho questionamentos como esse pelo cargo que ele representa.
>
> Busco acima de tudo que meus produtos construídos com as soluções
> FPC/Lazarus  sejam competitivos no mercado e somente com uma política de
> colaboração transparente e efetiva vejo isso possível.
>
> Repito gostaria de ver iniciativas crowdfunding onde esse processo de
> doações fosse mais transparentes e mais efetivas para o interesse dos
> doadores.
>
> Peço a colaboração da comunidade que discuta sobre o assunto pois não
> adianta dar prioridade a detalhes pontuais tais como ícones, métodos
> anônimos, compatibilidade com alguma plataforma em desuso por grande
> período, quando o futura está jogando na nossa cara que só vamos permanecer
> com os nossos projetos (Sistemas e Códigos Legados) se o grupo central de
> desenvolvimento FPC/Lazarus/Pas2js forem transparentes com relação aos
> rumos
> a seguir, bem remunerados e permitir a participação da comunidade com
> relação às tomadas de decisão sobre os novos horizontes a seguir. Coisa que
> nao estou encontrando a cada dia que passa me aprofundando mais na
> comunidade.
>
> Atenciosamente
>
> Edivando, Brasil
>
> - [b]Google Translate[/b]
> -
> Good night,
>
> I was being told more about the freepascal foundation
> ([url]https://foundation.freepascal.org/about[/url]) where donor funds are
> redirected. An Unprofessional Web Page by today's standards. The statute of
> the foundation claims to be being translated into English and because of
> this it is not available on the site (very strange because of the existence
> of the foundation) and the option for membership is unavailable because the
> statute is under review strange for a foundation with so much time of
> existence and to exist only 3 affiliated).
>
> I think with such a policy anyone who uses the FPC / Lazarus / Pas2JS tools
> as a complete solution for their Software House gets a little apprehensive
> as a key part of the foundation (The Management of the foundation) stand in
> the background.
>
> I see that if the community wants to be projects made using the competitive
> FPC / Lazarus solutions in the IT scenario we have to modernize this
> situation as well, it seems that the interest of the community is not being
> heard by the foundation in the best possible way.
>
> I myself am trying to give ideas for a revitalization of the community with
> new niches of contributions and I was questioned by Michael with the
> following text:
>
> [i]"Why do you need a separate crowdfunding effort, if the Free Pascal and
> Lazarus foundation has been created specially for this?
>
> Michael. "[/i]
>
> I do not know if Michael would be the same "Michael Van Canneyt
> (secretary)"
> secretary of the Free Pascal Foundation, but if it is the same it gets a
> little strange questionings like this for the position he represents.
>
> I seek above 

Re: Developer training

[Travis Ayres]

Is there a donate button? Could we fund a developer or two?

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 10:47 AM Steven Rubin 
wrote:

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> developers who want to continue to push Electric forward.
>
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> can now do so under my supervision. I am available for basic help,
> architectural guidance, and even code review. This offer does not
> include lessons in Java programming, so please, experienced Java
> programmers only.
>
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Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

[Travis Ayres]

It will be the most exciting $200 programming competition ever.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 4:41 PM horrido  wrote:

> Indeed, these have been the main goals of my marketing campaign:
>
> - spread the word through social media (word of mouth)
> - try to make Smalltalk look "cool" and fascinating (pop-cultured)
> - emphasize that Smalltalk is web-ready, since the whole world seems to be
> going ga-ga over the web (popular practices)
> - restore the lustre of OOP, since there has been a growing anti-OOP
> sentiment for years now
> - present success stories, even if most of these are from staid
> corporations
> and government
>
> Believe me, I've incorporated elements of these in many, many of my
> articles, blog posts, tweets, Facebook posts, etc.
>
> And I firmly believe the JRM competition will add to the excitement and
> cool
> factor, if it's done right.
>
>
>
> Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
> > On 21/06/2018 07:23, horrido wrote:
> >> I'm disappointed in the response. Only two contributors of $100 each.
> >> This is
> >> extremely tepid.
> >>
> >> There must be thousands of Smalltalkers around the world. How to reach
> >> out
> >> to them? It can't be that hard to fund this contest. I mean, there are
> >> many
> >> stupid causes on GoFundMe that have raised tens of thousands of dollars!
> >> This Smalltalk programming competition is anything but stupid.
> >>
> >> If only 1500 Smalltalkers each contributed a paltry $20, the contest
> >> would
> >> be fully funded. It would only take 300 contributors of $100 each.
> > I think that money is the wrong incentive to get people involved.
> >
> > You can't pay students to get them converted. Massive propagation of
> > ideas these days are horizontal rather than vertical. It is, breadth
> > first, word of mouth, instead of authoritative articles, this kind of
> > competition, etc. Your articles did a good job of rising awareness, but
> > there is a lot missing.
> >
> > If you want to get MORE (quantity) people involved, you need to make
> > Pharo more "pop cultured" as many mainstream tools are seen, and that
> > itself means becoming more mainstream or follow certain practices, which
> > also means having success stories people would like to imitate, etc.
> >
> > Even if we get people like Kent Beck, Martin Fowler, any other
> > "influencer" aware of the benefits of Smalltalk to recommend it, the
> > downloads would spike, but I bet one leg the users will bounce as fast
> > as they download it.
> >
> > IMO if we don't understand that as a community, Pharo will still have
> > it's niche user base. Not that I dislike it, but I would be more
> > comfortable as a niche but with a bigger user base.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Esteban A. Maringolo
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Programming Competition

[Travis Ayres]

You worked without pay? ...why?

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 8:53 AM horrido  wrote:

> I hear what you're saying. Here's my rationale...
>
> #1. As far as I know, I'm the only person on the planet who has worked
> full-time and without pay as a programming language advocate for nearly
> four
> years. Did I mention full-time and without pay? So I think you can trust me
> to deliver, come hell or high water.
>
> #2. For the past four years, I've shown my marketing skills in promoting
> Smalltalk. If you believe I've done a good job, then you can trust me to
> convince schools and the media to stand behind the competition. If you
> don't
> believe, then ignore me; I cannot convince you otherwise.
>
> #3. It is not my style to plan everything in advance and in detail. I do
> things by the seat of my pants, relying on my organizational skills,
> communication skills, and intuition. (That's how I develop software, too.)
> I
> can picture the whole competition in my mind and I trust my vision. I'm
> asking others to trust it, as well. If they don't, then this whole thing
> dies with me.
>
> In the final analysis, all I can do is my very best. I am who I am. If you
> don't believe in me, that's okay.
>
>
> SergeStinckwich wrote
> > Ok, the subject is completely different and maybe his topic is sensible
> > for
> > a lot of people but the concerns are the same. At the end, you need to
> > convince people to give you money.
> >
> > What is your budget ? what kind of competition you will organize ? how
> you
> > will convince schools/university to participate ?
> > How you will reward people for their participation ?
> >
> > Sorry to say, people will not give money just because you wrote a
> > half-page
> > statement.
> >
> > Best,
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

[Travis Ayres]

What does not talking like an asshole have to do with being white and male?

...seriously?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:31 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <
offray.l...@mutabit.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 18/06/18 09:47, Herbert Vojčík wrote:
>
> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong
> decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert to
> working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm.
>
>
> First, it was MY decision.
>
>
> My apologies to blaming Steph.
>
> I’m pushing launcher as the default download for Pharo since year now.
> Do I am happy with it not working on windows right now? Of course not. But
> pushing it also in windows has already forced us to fix some bugs there and
> a new version of the launcher (and a better Pharo on windows) and at the
> result will be good.
> I was going to suspend the launcher as the default download until a better
> version arrived, but I’ve been told that will happen this week, so I will
> wait.
>
> Second, we have a lot of bottlenecks, but is true this is important.
>
> Third, please restrain your self to talk like that in the future. Is rude
> and unnecessary.
>
>
> I won't. Sometimes it seems this kind of talk is needed. Windows launcher
> was not working for so long but it is still pushed as the default download
> option, because "higher goals" I presume. If this kind of talk helps to get
> rid of it until working (or make it finally actually work), it is anything
> but unnecessary.
>
>
> I don't see how this "Macho Programmer Culture" mixing genitalia size with
> community behavior and admin choices is necessary. But I see why, for sure,
> non-(white)-males feel so unwelcome in developers communities when some
> members feels such "necessity" of addressing others with such language and
> when pointed to that, just reinforce their choices.
>
> Best,
>
> Offray
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

[Travis Ayres]

"And don’t tell me you count the windows developers that are driven away
from a user program like PharoLauncher that is not working properly."

Why not?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:05 AM Norbert Hartl  wrote:

>
>
> Am 18.06.2018 um 19:19 schrieb horrido :
>
> Developers are users, and many users are developers.
>
> Ah, I’m not sure what value this sentence adds. The point is that the
> market share you were referring to is users that are not developers.
>
> What kind of developers are you counting? Microsoft/Windows/.NET developers
> represent a huge number, especially in the enterprise market. If these
> developers are going to explore alternative tools like Java, Ruby, Pharo,
> Common Lisp, etc., they'll be doing it in Windows.
>
> Developers under macOS are mostly focussed on macOS, iOS, Objective-C, and
> Swift. They are no more predisposed to looking at Pharo than developers
> under Windows. Is this not perfectly logical?
>
> Ok, let’s try to other way round. If there are many developers in windows
> why is the pharo stuff for windows so badly supported? It does indeed mean
> that either there aren’t many or they lack the expertise (or are too lazy)
> to improve stuff in pharo. And don’t tell me you count the windows
> developers that are driven away from a user program like PharoLauncher that
> is not working properly.
>
> Norbert
>
>
> NorbertHartl wrote
>
> Am 18.06.2018 um 16:16 schrieb horrido 
>
>
> horrido.hobbies@
>
>
> :
>
>
> Lack of enough Windows users? What platform are most Pharoers using?
>
> I'm using macOS, but this platform has only about 12% market share. Linux
> has about 2%.
>
> Your mixing users and developers. I don’t have numbers but I’m pretty sure
> if you count developers windows does not have that big of a market share.
> For squeak/pharo especially I guess Mac was always the preferred platform.
>
>
> Norbert
>
>
> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
>
> On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík 
>
>
> herby@
>
>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04:
>
> This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds
> (undocumented or hard to find).
> I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care
> that
> newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care
> about
> Pharo's reputation.
> The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye.
>
>
> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong
> decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert
> to
> working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm.
>
>
> The problem is the lack of enough Windows users and especially
> developers
> who can fix Windows problems.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

[Travis Ayres]

I wonder how many people tried Pharo, thought "Oh this is totally broken"
and are never going to give it a second (or third) chance.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:26 AM, p...@highoctane.be 
wrote:

> The current website shows the wrong link, the installer for the bleeding
> edge is the wrong one in files.
> The situation on the Windows front is very very bad and not really
> improving.
>
> That being said, the installer on the CI is the right one and works.
>
> so, steal the installer from here: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-
> jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher
>
> This is the one you want:
>
> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/PharoLauncher/
>
> For having the latest lastet everything, go to the launcher settings, get
> into the devmode and open monticello and load the latest packages.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 7:17 PM Petr Fischer  wrote:
>
>> I have a challenge for you: try to uninstall it :)
>>
>> Look at this thread for Win10 workarounds:
>> https://twitter.com/smalltalkdev/status/978973863332798464
>>
>> If you do not like workarounds, stay with standalone downloads (or
>> zeroconf for Linux).
>>
>> pf
>>
>> > Someone told me that they had difficulties installing Pharo under
>> Windows. So
>> > I had to see for myself.
>> >
>> > I booted my Mac mini into Windows 7 Ultimate (using Boot Camp),
>> downloaded
>> > and installed Pharo Launcher.
>> >
>> > That person was indeed correct. The Windows version of Pharo is badly
>> > broken. I created images for Pharo 5.0, 6.1, and 7.0, and all three
>> refused
>> > to open (presumably, they just crash).
>> >
>> > Am I missing something? What am I doing wrong?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
>> >
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

[Travis Ayres]

The launcher is broken for me as well.

On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 8:40 PM, horrido  wrote:

> Someone told me that they had difficulties installing Pharo under Windows.
> So
> I had to see for myself.
>
> I booted my Mac mini into Windows 7 Ultimate (using Boot Camp), downloaded
> and installed Pharo Launcher.
>
> That person was indeed correct. The Windows version of Pharo is badly
> broken. I created images for Pharo 5.0, 6.1, and 7.0, and all three refused
> to open (presumably, they just crash).
>
> Am I missing something? What am I doing wrong?
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] Personal Programming onPharo

[Travis Ayres]

There is no way to mark the language version, no
#pragma stdc version iso99


Delphi:

{$IF CompilerVersion >= 17.0}


Freepascal:


{$if FPC_VERSION > 2}



No make files: the compiler handles that trash for you.


Compatibility: Freepascal supports Delphi, Object Pascal, and has
various switches for all kinds of things should you need it.


Supports Windows, Linux, Mac, Android, Amiga (...seriously) and a
multitude of other systems.




On Wed, May 9, 2018, 6:54 AM Richard O'Keefe  wrote:

> ​I have a C++ program written in the late 80s by someone
> else.  It used to run fine under cfront 2.0 and early g++.
> Ten years after it was written it was impossible to compile.
>
> *Since* that there have been changes to streams and strings,
> amongst other things.
>
> The 1989 C standard changed the semantics of mixed signed/unsigned
> integer arithmetic.  It also inadvertently rendered illegal a
> widely used technique.  It is notoriously the case these days
> that compilers taking the C standards literally have "broken"
> quite a lot of code that worked with less ambitious compilers.
> I have been watching this phenomenon with considerable
> nervousness.  See for example
> http://www.eng.utah.edu/~cs5785/slides-f10/Dangerous+Optimizations.pdf
>
> I have certainly had previously acceptable C89 code be rejected
> by compilers as not being legal C11.  It is true that compilers
> tend to have command line/IDE switches to ask that old code be
> compiled under old rules, but you cannot say that *in* the program.
> There is no way to mark the language version, no
> #pragma stdc version iso99
>
>
>
> As for Java, I could rant about the floods of deprecation warnings
> from old code.  I shall content myself with one observation.
> Read http://java-performance.info/changes-to-string-java-1-7-0_06/
> Before Java 1.7, the substring operation in Java took O(1) time
> and space.  From Java 1.7 on, it takes time and space linear in the
> size of the result.  The syntax and abstract semantics did not
> change but the pragmatics did.  Code that had adequate performance
> could suddenly start crawling.
>
> Oracle do a tolerably thorough job of describing compatibility
> issues between JDK releases.  See for example
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/8-compatibility-guide-2156366.html#A999198
> where we learned that the 'apt' tool was gone, the JDBC-ODBC bridge
> was gone, 32-bit Solaris support (and yes, I was still using 32-bit
> code in SPARC Solaris and Intel Solaris) was gone, and the type
> inference algorithm had changed in a way that could break things.
> I am still somewhat peeved about some of the rewriting I've had to
> do over the last several releases.
>
> Then there is the simple fact that porting code from one release of
> an OS to another can be a pain.  Solaris 10 to OpenSolaris was easy.
> OpenSolaris to Solaris 11 was not as painless.  Solaris 11 to
> OpenIndiana was not a happy time for me.  OpenBSD changes forced
> rework.  I'd finally got my program to port smoothly between Solaris,
> Darwin, and Linux.  And then I had trouble porting to the next major
> release of Linux.  And with Ubuntu 17, I've got another problem I
> still haven't tracked down.  All of this in a C program that gets
> regularly (sp)linted and checked all sorts of ways, written with
> the intention of producing portable code.
>
> EVERYTHING BREAKS.
>
>
> On 7 May 2018 at 22:42, Trygve Reenskaug  wrote:
>
>> Please tell me when Java, C, C++, etc programs stopped working because
>> their runtime systems had changed.
>> Please tell me when Java, C, C++, etc compilers stopped compiling old
>> code because the languages had changed.
>>
>>
>> On 07.05.2018 11:57, Norbert Hartl wrote:
>>
>> I understand what you are saying but it contains some misconceptions
>> about the modern software world.
>>
>> „The earth is not stopping to turn just because you want to stay on the
>> sunny side“
>>
>> There is two funny concepts going on in the modern software industry. The
>> one tells you that because you want to do a product everything else around
>> you should come to a full stop so can comfortably build your software not
>> disturbed by other things. The second one tells you that you _have to
>> upgrade_ … there is this magical force preventing you from staying where
>> you are. Both notions are funny alone but they come combined and then they
>> turn out to be a non-sensical monster.
>>
>> Let’s take a different approach. Put in everything you say about
>> software, libraries, etc the word version. So you can build upon Pharo
>> version 3 your own product. You can stay at that version and it won’t
>> change. If the software you sell is not 80% pharo but your own you should
>> not have a problem just to stay on that version because you develop your
>> own stuff. But still the world did not stop turning and there is pharo 4.
>> You decide there are a few nice features but the work to adjust 

Re: open source real chip design

[Travis Ayres]

Looks like a totally non-functional clone of efabless, with marketing
materials stolen from Aldec thrown in!

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 6:46 PM, Maxim Cournoyer 
wrote:

> Sanjeev Gupta  writes:
>
> > One can also refer to www.webchip.in for open source based chip design
> > flow. Flow has been created using best-in-class open source tools.
> >
>
> Information is scarce on their platform. There's no indication that the
> web platform itself is free software. Could you point to me where you
> could learn about this important detail?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maxim
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Re: Digest for electricvlsi@googlegroups.com - 3 updates in 1 topic

[Travis Ayres]

It looks like that forum is dead - no activity for many years.

On May 16, 2017 9:11 AM, "Alexandre Rusev" <cyberf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> May be some university may be interested in supporting this project?
> I know a few guys ehusiasts of this idea!
>
>
> English forum:
> https://3.14.by/forum/viewforum.php?f=11
>
> URL-s  (in Russian)
> https://3.14.by/ru/read/making-microchips-at-home
> https://geektimes.ru/post/258062/
>
> Their title "Делаем микросхемы дома" means  "Making chips at home"I am
> looking onto FreePDK45 and NanGate cells for FreePDK support in Electric,
> still no big success
>
> Anyone in this forum can contact NanGate for research lisence and request
> cell library download.
> (I did that a week ago and now I have their sample cell library)
>
> I notified them on our potential interest to add support for FreePDK in
> Electric along, possibly with their cell library.
>
>
>
>
>
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>> Justin Spencer <justinmamara...@gmail.com>: May 15 06:31AM -0700
>>
>> Dear Mr. Carvalho,
>>
>> Good day. I would also like to help with this endeavor in any way
>> possible.
>> Please contact me if you're interested in collaborating.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Justin
>>
>> On Friday, 24 March 2017 00:33:22 UTC+8, Maurício Carvalho wrote:
>> Travis Ayres <tray...@gmail.com>: May 15 10:25AM -0700
>>
>> The NDAs for the foundaries will stop you cold as soon as you go below
>> about 180nm.
>>
>> An option would be to use laser direct writing and expose and dope the
>> wafers yourself. You could theoretically do this in a clean room you setup
>> in a garage, but you'd still probably need 40k of equipment and material,
>> at the very low end. Disposal of toxic chemicals in an appropriate way is
>> another hurdle. All of this, and you might be able to get an ancient
>> process out the door. But it would be fun...
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: Fully open source SoC

[Travis Ayres]

Minimal NDA probably exists already - RISCV code, that's as close as you
could get without starting to sign NDAs, unless you target an ancient
process, even then it won't necessarily be prodicible.

I think getting a handful of people together and targeting an ancient node
would be fun, but I'd aim for something even simpler than RISCV.

On May 16, 2017 1:41 AM, "Maurício Carvalho" <mauricio@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Travis and Patryk!
>
> I have a few remarks though:
>
> 1) The idea is to set up open source hardware and tools for ASIC design
> (Digital and Analog) to reduce as many NDAs as I can. The idea behind this
> to make ASIC design freely available to whoever wants to develop their own
> design. Last year I was an ASIC design instructor linked to an University
> in the south of Brazil. I taught DFT and test to engineers, but focusing on
> "piloting" EDA tools and the ASIC design flow. I was also involved in some
> designs linked to research. The course is fabulous and it teaches ASIC
> design thoroughly that one would not learn in regular university courses
> unless they have worked in the industry on a real design. However, before
> attending this 2-year hands-on specialized course, our students needed to
> sign EDA/CAD NDA contracts committing to not use it on any commercial
> activity, as well as to keep every material and scripts they produced
> secret to themselves or to whoever is involved. In addition, you'd often
> see many students with entrepreneur skills keen on developing their own
> ASIC projects (after studying viability to market and design feasibility)
> but they'd need to pay EDA licenses which are very costly. On the
> fabrication part, there are several multiuser projects out there that they
> can use, specially if this open source platform is finely tuned for a
> target Foundry.
>
> 2) I have designed a few CPU cores for academic research as well as worked
> on a few commercial CPU cores. I have also used the openrisc1200 and I
> admire it, but I would really like to develop my own CPU with a free ISA
> based on the RISCV. (This part is personal). However, any case study CPU
> would be fine, in order to set up the open source ASIC platform (kind of
> like Fedora had once, namely FEL) but I would also add free to use scripts,
> IDEs and everything needed so that one can actually produce a professional
> sign-off and send it to the target Foundry.
>
> 3) I have no intention to manufacture it in a garage, but could be a
> future challenge, probably with the help of others (if that's even
> possible).
>
>
> Please feel free to add as many problems I may find and probable solutions!
>
> Kind regards,
> Mauricio De Carvalho
>
>
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Patryk S <vidocq...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> https://opencores.org
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCores
>>
>> 2017-05-15 19:25 GMT+02:00 Travis Ayres <tray...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> The NDAs for the foundaries will stop you cold as soon as you go below
>>> about 180nm.
>>>
>>> An option would be to use laser direct writing and expose and dope the
>>> wafers yourself. You could theoretically do this in a clean room you setup
>>> in a garage, but you'd still probably need 40k of equipment and material,
>>> at the very low end. Disposal of toxic chemicals in an appropriate way is
>>> another hurdle. All of this, and you might be able to get an ancient
>>> process out the door. But it would be fun...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 15, 2017 6:31 AM, "Justin Spencer" <justinmamara...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Mr. Carvalho,
>>>>
>>>> Good day. I would also like to help with this endeavor in any way
>>>> possible.
>>>> Please contact me if you're interested in collaborating.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, 24 March 2017 00:33:22 UTC+8, Maurício Carvalho wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to develop a full open source RISCV-based System-On-Chip
>>>>> making use of free VLSI tools and PDKs (possibly making everything freely
>>>>> available). I have been playing with electric vlsi for some years but I
>>>>> never did anything serious with it besides playing with small designs and
>>>>> doing simple tests. On industry standard tools, however, I have been doing
>>>>> a couple of serious professional works and I have a reasonable
>>>

Re: Fully open source SoC

[Travis Ayres]

The NDAs for the foundaries will stop you cold as soon as you go below
about 180nm.

An option would be to use laser direct writing and expose and dope the
wafers yourself. You could theoretically do this in a clean room you setup
in a garage, but you'd still probably need 40k of equipment and material,
at the very low end. Disposal of toxic chemicals in an appropriate way is
another hurdle. All of this, and you might be able to get an ancient
process out the door. But it would be fun...



On May 15, 2017 6:31 AM, "Justin Spencer"  wrote:

> Dear Mr. Carvalho,
>
> Good day. I would also like to help with this endeavor in any way possible.
> Please contact me if you're interested in collaborating.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Justin
>
> On Friday, 24 March 2017 00:33:22 UTC+8, Maurício Carvalho wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I would like to develop a full open source RISCV-based System-On-Chip
>> making use of free VLSI tools and PDKs (possibly making everything freely
>> available). I have been playing with electric vlsi for some years but I
>> never did anything serious with it besides playing with small designs and
>> doing simple tests. On industry standard tools, however, I have been doing
>> a couple of serious professional works and I have a reasonable
>> understanding of the digital and analog flow.
>>
>> I have a few questions regarding electric and my goal:
>>
>> 1) I'd like to know if electric could work well with distributed
>> computing for physical synthesis and other computing intense work. For
>> example, If I have a powerful workstation including several CPUs and such,
>> would it correctly make use of the system's resources?
>>
>> 2) I have found some open source PDKs, but I could never find an answer
>> whether they can produce a reliable layout and the relative foundry where
>> it can be actually manufactured. I presume someone has already manufactured
>> a design, possibly with MOSIS PDKs, using Electric? Any other suggestions
>> are welcome. I have found a .18 library, but I would like to use sub-micron
>> technologies 90nm, 65nm and 45nm. I guess listing as many open source PDKs
>> related to a specific Foundry as I can would also help.
>>
>> 3) What about automated DFT in electric? Sure we can manually add some
>> blocks at the RTL, but scan chains can be quite difficult to implement
>> without useful information from the synthesized circuit. What about ATPGs?
>> Are there any possibility to integrate these tools on electric? Or, are
>> there any open source Test Tools? I've asked for the Lifting fault
>> simulation tool but never got an answer back from the developers.
>>
>> 4) Is there an SDC equivalent for Electric during logic and physical
>> synthesis?
>>
>> 5) Does anyone know where I can find an open source memory cell? Or a
>> very cheap one which would include models for logic and electrical
>> simulations?
>>
>> I'm sure there are many other questions I'd like to add to this post, but
>> it is best to keep it short for now.
>>
>> Hope someone can help!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mauricio De Carvalho
>>
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Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

[Travis Ayres]

I would guess the conversion rate for trying out a language from a Slashdot
article (or anywhere, really) would be in the 1% range - I've noticed that
HN articles only occasionally get a comment from someone trying out the
mentioned article.

On Dec 30, 2016 12:22 PM, "horrido"  wrote:

> It would appear that my submission to Slashdot has been passed over. To my
> knowledge, it hasn't been posted.
>
> It was out of date anyway. Today, my TechBeacon article surpassed 20,000
> views...weeks ahead of schedule!
>
> That's a lot of readers. I have no idea how many of them were convinced to
> give Smalltalk a shot, but I imagine it has to be more than a few. Maybe a
> couple of thousand? Maybe?
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Slashdot-Submission-
> tp4928235p4928427.html
> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>

Re: [Pharo-users] [Vm-dev] ptsd rage

[Travis Ayres]

Totally agreed.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Brad  wrote:

> Don't know about anyone else, but I would appreciate it if this kind of
> commentary never made it to this email list. This topic is so
> inappropriate. Let's keep the discussion about Pharo. If you feel you must
> go down the political route, then please be gracious enough to find another
> venue.
>
> Brad Selfridge
> 913-269-2385 <(913)%20269-2385>
>
> On Dec 19, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Charlie Robbats 
> wrote:
>
> Alright, one more sad observation. Of all the Law Enforcement violence,
> either perpetrated by LEOs against citizens or by citizens against LEOs, in
> all cases I am aware or recall having heard, all of these involve police
> officers. No violence, or very little, is perpetrated against or by Sheriff
> Deputies. As counties are a good and proper and consistent scope of crime
> administration, regardless of the density, police ought to report to the
> Sheriffs and let's put and end to broken windows policy and discriminatory
> enforcement. Police are always in our shit, and have their egos to boot.
> Sheriff Deputies, by comparison, are laid back and easy to talk to. They
> engage the public in respect, without attitude.
>
> Bob didn't shoot the deputy.
>
> On 12/17/2016 10:11 PM, Charlie Robbats wrote:
>
> Last bit, a mantra: Crime & Punishment creates massive mental illness in
> our society. Ask the Russians.
>
> On 12/17/2016 10:05 PM, Charlie Robbats wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, my paranoia is kicking. I spoke too broadly of police, I have
> interacted with many and they do a lot of good. A bad apple spoils the
> whatever and their code of silence allows for that sort of rot. I tell it
> straight, because they monitor the list. I pissed them off! Do you think it
> passed the sanity test that cops run all street drugs with their felon
> database in hand? Damn! All those Fellas are going to turn and bite their
> masters' hand, you watch! Stacking these grown men like Twinkies in
> overcrowded prisons. There is a debt that needs to be paid and the
> righteous are those in prison on a bunch of bullshit paper.  Vive la
> revolucion! Ok, sorry I went political. I am done.
>
> On 12/17/2016 9:49 PM, Charlie Robbats wrote:
>
> I am sad with you in your diagnosis. I get that too, the blues. I get high
> if I am holding and listen to "Kind of Blue" or deep house or reggae.  Some
> X would be good, but herbage is my mainstay to drop my constant threat mode
> (hypervigilence). I do not want a repeat of what happened! Unfortunately I
> drive people away to make sure of that. I appreciate your alls kindness. I
> wanted to share a solid explanation of why I am such a dick at times. I
> flip to active threat mode, I struggle to control this. It doesn't help
> that the police have been stalking me for 2 years, I am all caught up in
> their noise. Don't believe a word of their truthfulness. The blue wall of
> silence breaks God's commandment thou shalt not bear false witness. Police
> violate that daily, protecting their brothers who shoot unarmed black men
> in the back and claim they are fearing for their lives. Really? No, really?
> Well, that is a different story. That just freaking triggers me. And my
> opinion makes me their target. At least in my C-PTSD befuddled mind.
>
> Be well all!
>
>
>

Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

[Travis Ayres via Lazarus]

So...who wants to work on a modern course outline with me? We have a lot of
opinions and people willing to chime in, maybe we can do something good for
the community?

On Oct 25, 2016 4:03 AM, "Michael Schnell via Lazarus" <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 24.10.2016 18:11, Travis Ayres via Lazarus wrote:
>
>>
>> With over 100 replies, we could have already written a course outline,
>> introduction, ...
>>
>> It seems we have lost (or silenced) the OP long since :-(
>
> -Michael
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Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

[Travis Ayres via Lazarus]

The part I'm most interested in is using Lazarus to full effect with good
architecture; I don't think the GUI portion would make a good first (or
even second) course in computers/computing.

I would like to see a "Software Architecture" course that used
Delphi/FreePascal/Lazarus

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> Am 2016-10-24 um 12:20 schrieb Michael Schnell via Lazarus:
> > On 21.10.2016 11:09, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote:
> >> What is the use of a program? Entertainment?
> > Nowadays in 90% of the usage exactly this.
> > Maybe other usage cases are more "important", but still the money is
> made with Entertainment.
>
> There may be a misunderstanding:
> I did not ask whether the *purpose* of a program is entertainment
> but whether *programming* it has to be entertainment?
> The aim of programming should be to get a program running
> (as the programmer wants it) not to spend time with
> juggling gaudy pictures, icons and videos.
>
> In the end, it is somehow "entertaining" if a program works
> but this requires knowledge about how the programming language works.
> Ignoring all facts will never lead to a satisfying programming experience.
>
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Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

[Travis Ayres via Lazarus]

With over 100 replies, we could have already written a course outline,
introduction, and some notes about events and RAD programming, maybe also
the observer pattern?

On Oct 24, 2016 3:51 AM, "Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus" <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

Am 2016-10-24 um 12:20 schrieb Michael Schnell via Lazarus:
> On 21.10.2016 11:09, Jürgen Hestermann via Lazarus wrote:
>> What is the use of a program? Entertainment?
> Nowadays in 90% of the usage exactly this.
> Maybe other usage cases are more "important", but still the money is made
with Entertainment.

There may be a misunderstanding:
I did not ask whether the *purpose* of a program is entertainment
but whether *programming* it has to be entertainment?
The aim of programming should be to get a program running
(as the programmer wants it) not to spend time with
juggling gaudy pictures, icons and videos.

In the end, it is somehow "entertaining" if a program works
but this requires knowledge about how the programming language works.
Ignoring all facts will never lead to a satisfying programming experience.


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Re: [Lazarus] Teaching Pascal at College

[Travis Ayres via Lazarus]

I'm all for this effort, and hope it leads to new and modern tutorials,
books or notes that would be useful for others that use FreePascal/Lazarus
to convey graphical system interactions. If there's any need to proofread
such materials, I'll gladly help out!

On Oct 17, 2016 6:32 PM, "Mehmet Erol Sanliturk via Lazarus" <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:



On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Lars via Lazarus <
lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org> wrote:

> > On 14/10/16 08:30, Michael Schnell via Lazarus wrote:
> >
> >
> > Of course there are decent drawbacks regarding relying too much on RAD
> > and about not really understanding the fundamentals behind it. But in the
> > end the addressees are non-computer engineers.
>
> The big issue with teaching using a RAD tool, is welding the program logic
> into the onclick events, instead of decoupling the logic in separate
> procedures that can be reused elsewhere.  RAD tools are superior at
> prototyping... I can't believe how awesome they are at that. They are
> inferior, however, when it comes to bad habits being brought on.  With
> this warning, RAD tools can still be very useful for writing solid
> programs, as long as one knows this warning ahead of time.
>
> When I first learned delphi I made the mistake of putting code in the
> onClick events and similar, and then when you expand your app later you
> realize all that code is welded in place and cannot be reused outside of
> the events.
>
> Of course decoupling the logic from the GUI leads to more layers of code.
>
>
-




> How I got rid of my bad habits when I first learned delphi: I started
> writing console apps with no object oriented programming, no events, and
> learned that not everything is a click event in computer programming.
>
>

-


My opinion is that the above ideas are really very good to be applied
during teaching :
First , teach language on , let's say , "atomic" problems . Then , use
these "atomic" concepts in further problems either embedded in a GUI or
console program .

One obvious point is that an "event" driven programming knowledge is a must
to become a competent programmer . The problem is how this can be learned .
Without knowing how to program an algorithm when a related event is
occurred , will bring any one to nothing means ( not to a success ) .

-



> People late in the game (learned programming when GUI's were available)
> and have no experience with console mode apps will earn some bad habits
> because of the GUI oriented programming. Those with experience in other
> areas of programming such as old Dos programs, web programs (basically
> like a dos or unix console program) will learn different ways of
> organizing code without everything being tied to a GUI event driven code.
>
> I suppose even doing a plain Win32 API app with no delphi code (pure win
> api) would help someone learn how to organize code from a second opinion
> view, without being forced to use the event driven system you were given
> by the RAD tool.
>
>

-



> Of course, also learning other programming languages helps (although, IMO
> learning too many brain dead languages and hip cool ones will not help, as
> much as others claim... Basic programmers from the 80's or 70's still
> think in GOTO's and line numbers)
> --
>


-



With respect to researches ( I am not able to supply links now because this
view is based on old times readings , but I am sure that such research
findings can be found ) ,

people ( mostly ) uses a "primary" language for her/his profession and a
"secondary" language for some her/his works as an additional tool .

This shows that during teaching , this feature should be taken into
consideration : Guide the students to discover which language she/he will
prefer to use in much of her/his works , and attempt to teach that language
in a "best" way to be used by the students in their profession .

A similar approach should also be used for a "secondary" language .

If a language is taught just for fun or whatever else other than being a
possible candidate for "primary" or "secondary" is likely that , if it not
a necessity for the learner , is only a waste of everything is involved .



Mehmet Erol Sanliturk



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Re: cctech Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4

[Travis Ayres]

I'm interested!

I'm down in California and I also have no idea what it's worth, I'm new to
the PDP scene.

On Oct 9, 2016 10:00 AM,  wrote:

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> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 11:31:29 -0700
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> Hi,
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> Pictures can be found here: http://sierracircuitdesign.
> ddns.net/temp/pdp11/
>
> The system is located in Portland, Oregon. Local pick-up is preferred.
> Not sure if it still works. I have not tried to turn it on in years.
> I do not have any software of floppies for it.
> I'm not sure what it's worth. If you are interested in it, make me an
> offer.
>
> Regards,
> Scott
>
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Re: [Lazarus] Notice: Due to Hurricane Matthew I'll be unavailable for the next few days

[Travis Ayres via Lazarus]

How do you still have power??

On Oct 5, 2016 11:52 AM, "Shaun via Lazarus" 
wrote:

> looks like looped video here.
>
> On 05/10/2016 18:12, Anthony Walter via Lazarus wrote:
>
> Due to Hurricane Matthew I'm being evacuated from my home for a few days.
> If anyone wants to check up on me or my home I've set up a continuous live
> video stream from my living room. It can be used to monitor the current
> situation.
>
> My living room video stream:
>
> http://www.codebot.org/articles/?doc=9599
>
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Re: [Pharo-users] standalone/runtime executable

[Travis Ayres]

I don't want to present a whole application environment to the user, I want
to disable everything not having to do with the task at hand.

Also, it gives people with more limited bandwidth connections the options
of downloading the entire thing, or a highly stripped version that is much
smaller. It certainly makes getting a "build environment" easy when asking
for contributions though!

Dolphin has a similar tool and is now open source, perhaps there is
something there worth investigating for Pharo.

I'll check out Phratch (also, Scat is an unfortunately named tool).


On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:26 AM, Dimitris Chloupis 
wrote:

> Pharo has the easiest deployment in any language I have used. It's just a
> single folder. It does not get any simpler way than that. You can also
> customize the name of the executable, the icon, the folder and the image
> itself. There is no need to install Pharo or your Pharo application.
>
> So what you are asking yes it would be good for a beginner but someone
> that has some substantial experience with Pharo it's nowhere near as
> necessary.
>
> Start experimenting you will be suprised how powerful it is.
>
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 at 11:37, Gour  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> there are some Smalltalks like Dolphin, VisualWorks..which can, afaict,
>> create stand-alone executable for easier deployment to end users.
>>
>> I'm aware that Pharo probably has more important tasks to tackle first,
>> but just curious if creating stand-alone/runtime exectuables is
>> somewhere on its radar?
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Gour
>>
>> --
>> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist,
>> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the
>> transcendent self.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [casper] casper Digest, Vol 105, Issue 29

[Travis Ayres]

I think the attachment got scrubbed?

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> Subject: [casper] How to solve tx_overflow(transmission overflow) of
> ten_Gbe_v2 block when add a TMD(Time Division Multiplexer)
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> Dear all,
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> Can we add a TDM(Time Division Multiplexer) or a upsample block
> which is in xilinx blockset into a design? I try add either of these two
> blocks to the design which is attached in the enclosure, but the tx_afull
> and tx_overflow ports  of ten_Gbe_v2 block are always 'High'. This
> indicates the data transmission fifo is full in ten_Gbe_v2 block.The data
> rates writing to ten_Gbe_v2 block is 128mhz, and the data throughput is
> 256MBytes which is less than 10Gbits/second. I don't know how to solve the
> problem. Please refer to the project attached in the enclosure!
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Re: [Pharo-users] MOOC for English learners

[Travis Ayres]

New graphic kernel, not Athens or Bloc? Is it the Morphic replacement or
something else? Very curious.

On Aug 16, 2016 12:46 AM, "stepharo"  wrote:

> Thanks
>
> Do not hesitate to ask any questions you want.
>
> We are also checking why the web portal of the mooc does not show the
> option to get access to english
>
> subtitle.
>
> We are also working on a new graphic kernel and I hope that it will be
> cooler than the one of Red :).
>
>
> Stef
>
>
> Le 15/8/16 à 21:35, Gour a écrit :
>
>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:19:46 -0500
>> Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
>>  wrote:
>>
>> License wise, you're enabled to download it and verbatim reuse it for
>>> non-commercial purposes.
>>>
>> OK, then I hope I apply desiring to use it for Pharo self-learning.
>>
>> I see that all the links are http, so I don't know if ftp is enabled.
>>> Anyway you could use wget and alike to setup a tasks that follows the
>>> links in the page and download the videos and subtitles.
>>>
>> The course really looks great nad kudos to all its authors!!
>>
>> Having some like that is really wonderful way to bring new people to
>> Pharo.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Gour
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Lazarus] Quick Modern Object Pascal Introduction, for Programmers

[Travis Ayres]

Hi Graeme,

I don't understand the problem tiOPF is trying to solve well enough to
fully grok it in context - I've never used a database, only flat files. GUI
programming in an understandable way... clueless, it always devolves into
miserable, miserable spaghetti code.

That said, it's better spaghetti code than when I started with Lazarus, so
maybe eventually it'll be acceptable. Hah!

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys <
mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2016-06-22 18:57, Travis Ayres wrote:
> >  The Observer, MVVM,
> > Adapter patterns, whatever - it would be great to find more examples of
> > these.
>
> You mean like these... a series of articles I wrote about design
> patterns implemented in Object Pascal. ;-)
>
>http://geldenhuys.co.uk/articles/
>
> As for MVVM, I had a different spin on MVP (Model-View-Presenter) and
> MVC (Model-View-Controller). Both MVP especially implements everything
> from scratch. Instead I implemented MGM (Model-GUI-Mediator) which is
> very similar to MVP in concept, except it reuses available widget events
> found in all modern GUI toolkit widgets. There is an article on MGM too,
> but that was kept simple for the sake of the article. For a much
> improved version of MGM, take a look at the code available as part of
> the tiOPF project (on SourceForge). The tiOPF implementation of MGM
> supports VCL, LCL, fpGUI and FMX (Delphi's Firemonkey) toolkits.
>
> ps:
>   Design Patterns are meant to be documented as an idea of how to
>   solve a commonly found problem. It isn't meant to serve as a
>   code template. So there can be many ways of implementing the
>   same design pattern. eg: Most books and articles I've read
>   implement the Visitor pattern in a very limited way. tiOPF
>   implements it in a more generic way, and actually makes it even
>   more flexible.
>
>   The tiOPF project is what got me hooked on design patterns. That
>   framework uses many different design patterns, and improved the
>   quality of the framework tremendously.
>
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>   Graeme
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Re: [Lazarus] Quick Modern Object Pascal Introduction, for Programmers

[Travis Ayres]

While we're talking about books on Object Pascal, if anyone is looking for
Object Pascal book ideas I'd suggest a book of patterns in Object Pascal.
It seems like there's a lot of info about the structure of the language,
but limited examples of how it is used in practice. The Observer, MVVM,
Adapter patterns, whatever - it would be great to find more examples of
these.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Anastasios Karidis 
wrote:

> On 6/22/2016 18:50, Michalis Kamburelis wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Over the last few days, I wrote a document describing many features of
> > the modern Object Pascal language. It is available on:
> >
> >
> http://michalis.ii.uni.wroc.pl/~michalis/modern_pascal_introduction/modern_pascal_introduction.html
> >
> >
> http://michalis.ii.uni.wroc.pl/~michalis/modern_pascal_introduction/modern_pascal_introduction.pdf
> >
> > The document covers the easy language concepts, and then jumps quickly
> > into more "advanced" stuff, like class references, generics, class
> > helpers and so on. I hope that this is informative:)
> >
> > This is directed at programmers (who know a bit of some programming
> > language, though not necessarily Pascal). Which is really an excuse to
> > not explain in detail some basic stuff ("what is a variable", "what is
> > a class"). I tried to explain more the "advanced" stuff, and
> > illustrate everything with examples.
> >
> > The source code is in AsciiDoc and available on GitHub
> > https://github.com/michaliskambi/modern-pascal-introduction . All
> > comments are welcome:)
> >
> > P.S. I already posted about this on fpc-pascal mailing list, I'm
> > posting also here --- I hope that this is useful:)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Michalis
>
> Great job thanks !
>
> I have also an introduction  on Object Pascal section on my site
>
> http://www.trustfm.net/ebooks/ObjectPascal.php
>
> but i had never time to finish it :S
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Re: Help me

[Travis Ayres]

LTSpice has no limit on the number of nodes; it is freeware, and available
for Windows (it runs fine under Wine on Linux).

Dr. Robert Baker at cmosedu.com has instructions for setting up Electric
VLSI with LTSpice, including videos.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:18 AM, Yogita Gajare  wrote:

> which is the best simulator for electric vlsi cad tool so that i can
> simulate larger circuitry  with maximum no. of gates?
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[Msys2-users] Error: failed retrieving file - Operation too slow

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It's a timeout issue - the downloads take a long time to get started.

Is there a way I can set a longer timeout or change the lower speed bound?

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[Bug 366621] Re: guake package does not install gconfig schema

[Travis Ayres]

Still an issue, 15.10 Ubuntu-Mint x64, gconftool-2 command still fixes
it, installed via App Grid.

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Re: [Lazarus] Theoretical question about future of Lazarus

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I hope we see more books detailing Lazarus and Freepascal, rather than more
advanced features. New features are great but really getting the word out
is necessary - I've had people laugh when I say I program in object Pascal
because I like it better than C++, and others say it's a dead language.
It's really a shame because Lazarus\fpc are so good!
On Oct 13, 2015 10:47 AM,  wrote:

> On 10/13/2015 09:51 AM, Juha Manninen wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:43 PM,   wrote:
>>
>>> what do you call "really fast"??
>>>
>>
>> The fastest PC available today.
>>
>> i might be able to try this on my 8-core 4Ghz box...
>>>
>>
>> Yes please!
>>
>
> let me see what i can do...
>
> [time passes]
>
> i get as far as this...
>
> /bin/rm -f fpcmade.x86_64-linux Package.fpc ./ppas.sh script.res link.res
> /bin/rm -f *.s *_ppas.sh
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/wkitty42/development/lazarus/components/chmhelp/lhelp'
> make -C packager/registration
> make[1]: Entering directory
> `/home/wkitty42/development/lazarus/packager/registration'
> /bin/rm -f ../units/x86_64-linux/fcllaz.ppu
> /home/wkitty42/development/fpc/bin/x86_64-linux/ppcx64 -MObjFPC -Scghi -O1
> -g -gl -l -vewnhibq -Fu. -FE. -FU../units/x86_64-linux -Cg -dx86_64
> fcllaz.pas
> Free Pascal Compiler version 3.1.1 [2015/06/13] for x86_64
> Copyright (c) 1993-2015 by Florian Klaempfl and others
> (1002) Target OS: Linux for x86-64
> (3104) Compiling fcllaz.pas
> Fatal: (10022) Can't find unit system used by fcllaz
> Fatal: (1018) Compilation aborted
> make[1]: *** [fcllaz.ppu] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory
> `/home/wkitty42/development/lazarus/packager/registration'
> make: *** [registration] Error 2
>
> real0m4.228s
> user0m0.819s
> sys 0m1.352s
>
>
> i don't know why... everything is in a tree under ~/development where
> fpcup placed it... i've never installed fpc or lazarus using anything other
> than fpcup and bootstrapping it from the raw... there is
> ~/development/fcpbootstrap/x86_64-linux-ppcx64 which turns out to be fpc
> 2.6.2 but i don't know how to tell your "time make clean bigide" to use it
> :(
>
> the only other thing is that i don't use bigide at this time...
>>> it was too confusing for me while trying to learn the interface...
>>>
>>
>> Bigide is used for Lazarus release versions. Why is it confusing?
>>
>
> way too many options to drag and drop on a form... i do not come from
> delphi or any other gui coding environment so i don't know anything about
> them... trying to find one being looked for was like hunting a needle in a
> haystack...
>
> the last time i used any sort of RAD it was for relatively small programs
> in Foxbase or dBase III and IV... there was a RAD template system thing
> that we used... once we got the forms laid out the way we wanted and
> generated the basic code to access, edit and delete the data, we then
> rewrote the majority of the code so much adding to and refining the
> existing code that we could not use the template thing any more to adjust
> the forms... from then on, it was like we had never used a RAD at all...
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Found the source of Intel GPU suckitude in OpenGL

[Travis Ayres]

Win2k - that was almost 16 years ago. Isn't it unreasonable to expect
things to work quickly across systems that are *that* old?
On Oct 11, 2015 9:21 AM, "Lorenzo Marcantonio" 
wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 10:41:57AM -0400, Stefano Rossi wrote:
> > I am a current user of Altium, and I think that OpenGL is necessary to
> use
> > it. Either you have it and you can use the software, or you don't and
> tough
> > luck.
>
> Until a few revision ago Direct3D (not OpenGL IIRC) was the
> 'recommended' Altium interface, with the fallback on GDI being
> deprecated. Current version may simply require shader model x (with x
> being more or less the windows version:P)
>
> My rant was more about intel lying on the supported primitives. For its
> design I agree that the OpenGL canvas requires *at least* 2.0; too bad
> they deprecated the logical mode, since blending is an inferior
> replacement for (x)oring the layers...
>
> Of course the big problem is us being poor :D we still have win2k
> machines running happily around (the 20GB HDD generation is something
> near immortal:P)
>
> > From reading the mailing lists I have understood that using wxDC over
> > OpenGL gives you a different function set to work with, such as the Push
> > and Shove not working in wxDC. Has anyone thought about abstracting the
> > layer on which things are drawn on? Such that you would have a KiCad
> > specific library and then have it draw to the system through selectable
> > OpenGL or Cairo. And if it cannot, why? Why PNS be not implemented in
> wxDC?
>
> Already is. It only need a performant-enough implementation (cairo
> isn't:D). Main problem is the different approach needed for a display
> list dirty-rectangle engine against a full redraw compositing one.
>
> > I have yet to use KiCad, but I would like too. I really got interested
> when
> > I got hold of information about plans of making eeshema, pcbnew, cvpcb
> and
> > others as plugins to a main window. Now that sounds nice. I had to work
> > with OrCAD for a while (1 yr) at work and I cannot express in words how
> > much I hate it's way of doing things all in separate programs.
>
> I actually prefer them to be separate; everyone has his own workflow...
>
> > beginners learn time but actual users time. EagleCAD is one of those that
>
> Main problem with eagle is that it costs way too much for what it does!
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Re: Technology file

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Dr. Baker's website, CMOSEDU, has a set of tutorials both written and video
on the subject:

http://cmosedu.com/videos/electric/electric_videos.htm


On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Neha Parker  wrote:

> I'm implementing a schematic circuit of current conveyor.I have technology
> file in text format.how to implement it in Electric VLSI.I need steps on
> how to add the file and simulate using ltspice.
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Re: [Lazarus] test

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...test successful.
On Sep 12, 2015 7:01 AM, "Martin Frb"  wrote:

> test
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Re: [Lazarus] learning advice for FPC/Lazarus noob

[Travis Ayres]

Here is an excellent course by Huw Collingbourne:

https://www.udemy.com/learn-to-program-with-pascal/

Udemy has good sales and coupons which greatly reduce the price. It is a
wonderful start for a visual learner, and delves inti quite a bit.

Also, there are some really good Object Pascal books that are now very
cheap on Amazon. One I just got is Pascal Plus Data Structures by Dale.
Another is Delphi in a Nutshell.
On Aug 3, 2015 12:58 AM, Gour g...@atmarama.net wrote:

 Hello,

 after (too) much time exploring/evaluating different languages, I’ve
 finally decided to use use FPC/Lazarus to write open-source
 multi-platform desktop GUI app…

 It would be kind of semi-hobby project and the reason why I took so long
 to decide about Pascal is that I was using it long ago (20yrs) while
 studying software engineering on the University (we had to write some
 compiler using TP, so I thought that some better language did
 evolve. :-)

 Of course, there are some interesting *languages*, but I simply do not
 buy what web+JS is the only way to go to write app these days, and
 that’s where FPC/Lazarus are shining very brightly!!

 However, in the meantime, programming did not become my bread’n’butter,
 so although programming is not strange/new thing to me, I need some
 refreshment and looking for adequate literature/docs to equip myself to
 use FPC/Lazarus for my GUI project…

 I there is a ’bundle’

 http://www.blaisepascal.eu/index.php?actie=./subscribers/lazarusbookinfoEnglish
 offering to buy Lazarus Complete Guide and get Learn to Program Using
 Lazarus as downloadable PDF, so I wonder if it is good-enough for
 learning FPC and start with Lazarus?

 I’m aware there are lot of online docs available, but I am simply
 accustomed to use/hold concrete books (if possible) and reduce my time
 of starring at computer screens to save my eyes a bit.

 Another option which I’ve found is: “Getting Started with Lazarus and
 Free Pascal: A beginners and intermediate guide to Free Pascal using
 Lazarus IDE” (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1507632525/ref=rdr_ext_tmb) but
 it seems it’s more into web development than writign desktop GUI apps?

 Besides that, one Delphi/Lazarus user suggested to get some of the
 “Marco Cantu's mastering.. series of older versions”, but not having
 *any* experience with neither Delphi nor FPC/Lazarus, I’m looking for
 some helpful hints which path to go?


 Sincerely,
 Gour

 p.s. I sent the same message from Gmane-subscribed group, but never
 received its authorization message and it seems that the message went to
 /dev/null, so, please, if anyone can check whether the information at
 http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.lazarus.general is correct since the
 “requires subscription to mailing list to post” status usually means it
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Re: [Lazarus] Sending and receiving record or object data between applications running on different machines.

[Travis Ayres]

If there is a network they share, TCP/IP would work. A client/server
architecture.
On Jul 26, 2015 2:27 AM, Richard Mace richard.m...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Can anybody point me at an example of how 2 application's can transfer
 data between one another across 2 different machines.

 Thanks
 Richard

 PS Lazarus 1.4.2 FPC 2.6.4 windows

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Re: [Lazarus] Tracking software useage

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Get a mailing list, count how active it is?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Richard Mace richard.m...@gmail.com
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 Hi all,
 I am really interested in tracking how many people are using my software
 and was wondering what people that would be a good and ethical way of doing
 it. Any thoughts?

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Re: [Lazarus] Tutorial: Highlighting controls and brushes

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Can't wait to check this out.
On Apr 3, 2015 12:10 PM, Anthony Walter sys...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've written up another short tutorial related to control highlighting
 using Lazarus.

 A video clip and walk through is located here:

 http://www.getlazarus.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18t=47

 This is the location of my previous tutorial on docker style widgets:

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Re: [Lazarus] Cross Codebot virtual controls

[Travis Ayres]

Can I get access to the code as it exists now? ;)

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Anthony Walter sys...@gmail.com wrote:

 If anyone is interested, I wrote a quick demonstration of one virtual grid
 control and the advanced surface rendering interface which are part of
 Cross Codebot, a cross platform LGPL Lazarus toolkit.

 Here is a video capture of the demonstration running on Ubuntu:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iIeULCG4U4

 Look for release soon. I still need write a few more demo programs and
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Re: [Lazarus] Cross Codebot virtual controls

[Travis Ayres]

Oh I intend to post all about it. YAHOO!

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Anthony Walter sys...@gmail.com wrote:

 A reminder: Cross Codebot requires FPC fixes_3_0 branch or higher, and the
 discussion forum is here:

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Re: [Lazarus] A call for Raize Software supporting CodeSite for FPC/Lazarus

[Travis Ayres]

I wish my company used Pascal. True, it is a good price for a business. If
I get a chance to use Pascal as a consultant I'll write it off.
On Mar 4, 2015 10:29 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk
wrote:

 On 2015-03-05 00:32, Travis Ayres wrote:
  Are enough Lazarus developers willing to part with 400 dollars for the
  package?

 If you work for a company that uses FPC or Lazarus, then let the company
 pay. Consider it their contribution for getting a compiler and IDE for
 FREE. It's not a bad price at all. Think of how long it would take for
 to implement something like that, using your hourly rate. Suddenly
 spending $400 becomes cheap.


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Re: [Lazarus] A call for Raize Software supporting CodeSite for FPC/Lazarus

[Travis Ayres]

Are enough Lazarus developers willing to part with 400 dollars for the
package? I don't think so, but maybe?
On Mar 4, 2015 1:35 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys mailingli...@geldenhuys.co.uk
wrote:

 Hi everybody,

 [this is not an advert and I'm not affiliated with Raize Software at all]

 As I have seen many times before, if you don't make your interest known,
 companies will not support your wishes. Making your interest known helps
 them guide their development efforts and we benefit.

 This email is about CodeSite. It is a brilliant real-time logging system
 and Live Viewer with IDE plugin and all. It has features *way* above
 what is currently available for FPC or Lazarus. A fantastic product that
 helps with debugging, even after products have been deployed.

 I've asked Raize Software about the chances of releasing a FPC/Lazarus
 compatible version of CodeSite. I got a prompt reply from the owner
 himself. Ray said it is certainly possible to do, but they simply
 haven't received much interest. They will monitor interest and might
 make it a reality in the next major version.

 Please review their products (Raize Components, CodeSite etc) and if you
 like it, make your interest known by emailing them and asking for
 Lazarus support - sa...@raize.com

 Raize Software:
 http://www.raize.com/

 CodeSite product page:
 http://www.raize.com/DevTools/CodeSite/Default.asp

 To see it in action:
 Do a internet search for CodeRage CodeSite and you will find loads or
 really good 45min demos.
 eg: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPQRzILjpQc]

 The other really good thing is if they port CodeSite to Lazarus, they
 might port the Raize Components suite too. Another incredible product
 well worth using and includes more than a 125 custom VCL components.
 Imagine the boost that would give your next Lazarus project.


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Re: [Lazarus] Promoting Lazarus: A Case Study Video

[Travis Ayres]

I like the getlazarus version better so far than the official one (assuming
it isn't an elaborate trick...). Free software is all about choice - I'm
glad to have another  option.

I'm kinda surprised other people seem not to like it. More exposure for
fpc/lazarus is good isn't  it?
On Feb 25, 2015 10:53 AM, Brian Chalega da Silva brianchal...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 On 25-02-2015 14:10, Marcos Douglas wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Anthony Walter sys...@gmail.com wrote:

 Go back to a mailing list archive, other people have made suggestions
 which
 ';ve implemented.

 http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/New-Get-
 Lazarus-Initiative-td5720922.html

 Including making it clear who I am and why, linking back to the official
 sites on every mention of Free pascal or Lazarus, that these versions are
 tests and are being updated accordingly, and a page dedicated to doing it
 yourself:

 http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/Lazarus-
 Guide-Making-Free-Pascal-and-Lazarus-from-sources-td4040321.html

 Build scripts and instructions are mirrored on github:

 https://github.com/sysrpl/Codebot.Setup/blob/master/
 linux/install.fpc-3.0.linux.sh

 Here is a link to other material I've released in the past as well as
 other
 walk throughs:

 http://www.baregame.org/#bare_game
 http://www.getlazarus.org/videos/baregame
 http://www.getlazarus.org/videos/baresprites

 Codebot.Cross, which includes a new cross platform graphics rendering
 interface, is a port of this my Delphi content which was first released
 more
 than 10 years ago:

 http://www.codebot.org/delphi/

 I've thanked Sven Barth as well as the rest of the team multiple times.
 I've
 also offered to spend time enhancing the Lazarus code tools:

 http://free-pascal-lazarus.989080.n3.nabble.com/Lazarus-
 Offer-Fixing-CodeTools-td4040620.html

 Everything I've done has always been released for free, without ads, and
 I've never asked for anything in return. I've only given. I say this
 because
 I'm not sure if you're thinking this is some elaborate trick. I assure
 you
 it's not.

 I think the only problem is using not stable versions... that's all!
 Your codes are amazing. Please, do not stop -- coding, getlazarus.org,
 etc -- just think if is better use stable versions.

 Best regards,
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  Yes, don't stop contributing, I like the idea of the installer script,
 it makes cross
 compiling so much easier, a thing that is very tricky to setup manually,
 specially
 for new users. I only took a brief look, but it (the script) has many
 comments
 and the code is quite clean, which is very nice too.

 But I understand the concern about the version used, and the naming, and I
 guess it would be good to have it explicitly in the website that it is a
 fan site
 (not sure what the correct term is), and not a project endorsed by the
 official
 Lazarus project. (and of course, the big fat warning when using unstable
 branches).

 Just my 2 cents :)

 Best regards,
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Re: [Lazarus] Promoting Lazarus: A Case Study Video

[Travis Ayres]

Is there a link to the source code for that application? I can't seem to
find it - maybe my Google-fu is weak?
On Feb 14, 2015 2:52 AM, Anthony Walter sys...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all, in our continuing effort to re-energize the Lazarus community,
 and reach out to new prospective users, I will be creating a series of
 Lazarus case study videos. This first one is posted online here:

 http://www.getlazarus.org/videos/reports/

 The aim of this initiative is to draw interest back to Free Pascal and
 Lazarus, especially in light of all the hard work you guys have done in
 preparing for Free Pascal version 3 and Lazarus version 1.4.

 If anyone wants to add to the case study content, feel free to use the
 edit this page feature to make your additions. The editors at
 getlazarus.org can quickly, and easily find and review your edits, so
 don't hesitate to contribute.

 Also, if you want to forward the above case study to a work colleague or a
 technical acquaintance, please do. That's the reason its there.

 Thanks everyone for your hard work, and keep an eye out for our next case
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Re: [Lazarus] Hi everyone

[Travis Ayres]

Don't worry. The Lazarus/Free Pascal people are very nice. Good luck
developing your accounting program!
On Feb 16, 2015 7:55 AM, Vincenzo Campanella vin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone

 I have just subscribed to this mailing list, being interested in a future
 (in the next few months) development of an accounting program using Pascal
 + Lazarus.

 For the time being, I'll probably lurk keeping silent, but then I'll start
 asking questions, hoping not to disturb you, as my Pascal and Lazarus
 skills are for sure not the best (up to now experiences in C and Access VBA
 only).

 Meanwhile, thank you for Lazarus that seems a very very interesting
 development tool.

 Sorry for my bad English, but my mother tongue is Italian and I am from
 Switzerland.

 Cheers,
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Re: convert schematic to layout

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Have you seen professor Baker's videos @ cmosedu?
On Dec 4, 2014 7:40 AM, harsha parime harsha.par...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI, i recently started using electric. i had drawn a schematic for a nand
 gate i want to convert it to layout what is the procedure for it. i was
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Re: Simulation error

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The spice deck you are running mentions UC Spice - check the .options
syntax for LTSpice, find the corresponding options (if they are nevessary)
and replace them. I can give you a more detailed answer in a few hours.
On Oct 10, 2014 6:17 AM, Andrew Laksh andrewlaks...@gmail.com wrote:


 Dear Group members

 Please could anyone help me regarding this error I encounter:

 Error running C:\Program Files (x86)\LTC\LTspiceIV\scad3.exe -i NAND2.spi
 -r NAND2.raw -o NAND2.out: Cannot run program C:\Program (in directory
 D:\electric\Designs): CreateProcess error=740, The requested operation
 requires elevation

 However when I was running the same design in another lap top,
 I could get the Spice Deck but again I had an error there.
 Attached is the error.


 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t-YemQN9ltA/VDfbSGrqoNI/BA0/ZbM1yKBMfSQ/s1600/Error%2Bfrom%2BNAND%2Bimplementation.jpg

 Would be grateful if some experts could assist me.

 Thank you Dr Jake for all the free online Tutorials and they are truly
 awesome.

 With best regards

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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Rename instances of module to footprint for consistency

[Travis Ayres]

This. If there was also an IPC compliant land pattern generator, Kicad
would show up in the search results for people doing Mil/Aero work, which
would be a great market to capture.
On Oct 8, 2014 4:13 AM, Lorenzo Marcantonio l.marcanto...@logossrl.com
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 On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 12:10:44PM +0100, Tim Hutt wrote:
  I can check again and find out exactly tonight if anyone wants? I think
  footprint is the most descriptive in any case (I don't see how it is a
  module at all in fact).

 I agree it's more common footprint. By the way the 'official' IPC term
 is 'land pattern'. But, as usual, who cares :D

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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Rename instances of module to footprint for consistency

[Travis Ayres]

True; I'd buy a copy for the project if it would help. A compliant land
pattern gemerator would be insanely great for Kicad.

I saw the responses above -  footprint it is.
On Oct 8, 2014 6:40 AM, Mark Roszko mark.ros...@gmail.com wrote:

 IPC defines footprint equivalent to land pattern in IPC 7351 on page 4.

 The land pattern generator is a separate issue, but first you need people
 paying $130 for the spec.

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Re: LT SPICE OF 6T

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Show your work - where are you stuck?


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  HII EVERYONE
 i want to work on lt spice please help me out with the procedures, please
 tell me how to implement 6t sram using lt spice

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Something to learn about Freerouting

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Is there a location to get the source currently?


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Vesa Solonen vesa.solo...@aalto.fi wrote:

 16/03/14 12:06, Vesa Solonen kirjoitti:

  Thank you Alfons for publishing all this under a free license!

 I also wish Alfons good luck regarding some fallout:

 http://www.freerouting.net/fen/viewtopic.php?f=4t=272

 and

 http://freerouting.net/index.php

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Re: Help!! How to increase the drive strength of the inverter?

[Travis Ayres]

What is the W/L you are using for both your nmos and pmos?


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 I am developing a standard cell library using electric. The image here
 shows the 1x inverter i have designed.Please help me how to
size
 transistors to increase its drive strengths to 2x,3x,4x and so on.


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Re: Help!! How to increase the drive strength of the inverter?

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I'd say if speed was your bottleneck, minimize capacitance


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 1:56 PM, sudheer k Muhammed 
sudheerkmuham...@gmail.com wrote:

 If speed is ur bottleneck;

 use a chain of  inverters having 1x,2x,4x,...


 On 7 May 2014 22:33, S Narasimha Kamath snkam...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Puneeth,

 You can multiply the current width of the inverter by drive strength. For
 instance 2x drive strength will be pmos width = 26*2  nmos width = 13*2.
 In layout it translates into 2 fingers of pmos  nmos.

 Thanks,
 S N Kamath


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Trace length tunning/matching for Kicad

[Travis Ayres]

Could we spell it tuning?


On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Pierre Parent pierre.par...@insa-rouen.fr
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 I've created a branch for this feature:

 lp:~pierre-parent-k/kicad/length-tunning

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[Kicad-developers] Library Browser Not Responding After Clicking GithubFootprints

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For me the library browser is becoming non-responsive when I open the
library browser within Pcbnew and click on GithubFootprints

I'm on Windows 7x64 running revision 4696. Is anyone else experiencing
this?
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Recent dependencies break builds.

[Travis Ayres]

Broken here too.
On Feb 7, 2014 2:59 PM, Wayne Stambaugh stambau...@verizon.net wrote:

 Please use find_package() first and then if you need to download the
 dependency source and build the dependency.  Some developers (me) prefer
 to build project dependencies outside of KiCad source.  That way when I
 do a make clean, I don't have to rebuild all of the dependencies as
 well.  The only exception to this is to patch a bug that effects KiCad
 like we have to do with Boost.  If it's a build fix only patch, always
 use find_package() first.  I believe this was added to resolve OSX build
 issues.  If this is an OSX only issue, please qualify this with a
 platform check so as not to break building on other platforms.

 Thanks,

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[Kicad-developers] Coverity Scan for Kicad codebase?

[Travis Ayres]

Has anyone considered or already submitted the Kicad source to a Coverity
scan?

https://scan.coverity.com/

I came across it today while reading HN on Reactos - it looks like they're
already using it, so I thought I'd see what the report contained for Kicad;
I submitted a Git mirror of the Kicad codebase earlier today.

I thought it might provide some useful feedback, and was wondering if
anyone else had used the Coverity Scan, or if there was any interest?

Thanks,
-Travis
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Re: [Kicad-developers] patch: new KiCad icons

[Travis Ayres]

I love the work on the new icons! Great job!


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Fabrizio Tappero fabrizio.tapp...@gmail.com
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 Dear Jean-Pierre,
 since I believe you have not yet committed my previous icon patch, please
 neglect it and used instead this new set. I have added few new ones.

 Also, please commit this patch as soon as you can otherwise I will not
 stop modifying  them and produce new ones over and over for ever !!

 thank you
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Building KiCad on windows

[Travis Ayres]

Brian,

How would you have bumped up the requirement for MinGW to 4.8.2? I just
checked on TDM-GCC, and I don't see the upgrade to 4.8.2 (although TDM is
repackaged MinGW, so it might not be fully up to date).

I just looked at the KiCad-Winbuilder CMake file, and I think I'm running
4.8.1 because of my locally installed MinGW. Is there a way I could execute
KiCadWinbuilder.cmake with the mingw_local_NOT_FOUND = 1?

I'm re-running KicadWinbuilder on a machine with more memory to see if I
get different results. I'll let everyone know the results.



On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Brian Sidebotham brian.sidebot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 It's always worth when you can filling in bug reports against
 KiCad-Winbuilder. It helps focus my time and makes we aware of things
 I don't know about. Although I can't fix the internal MinGW error
 (Which I've never seen!), seeing a bug report means I probably would
 have bumped the compiler up to 4.8.2 which has been out for a while
 now.

 I didn't move to the next release of MinGW in KiCad-Winbuilder-3.3
 because I'd never seen any problems with 4.8.1 - it's likely 4.8.2 has
 a tonne of bugfixes in it though.

 KiCad-Winbuilder tries to be as isolated as is possible under Windows
 so as not to be affected by any system versions or settings, but
 clearly differences can still be present.

 Out of interest Travis, how much RAM do you have installed? Sometimes
 problem arise because of lower spec's. I have an Intel Core i7 (so
 essentially 8 cores), and 16Gb RAM with a PCIe SSD - it's a quick and
 capable system. Building KiCad is intensive on RAM use, particularly
 when using parallel build jobs. Usually you get out-of-memory errors,
 but sometimes you just get odd behaviour and crashes instead depending
 on each allocation's error handling.

 Best Regards,

 Brian.

 On 3 February 2014 04:31, Travis Ayres tray...@gmail.com wrote:
  It looks like one of the errors is an internal MinGW error when I try to
  build.
  Attached are some of my logs from the build process of Kicad-Winbuilder.
 
  -Travis
 
 
  On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Simon Turner
  si...@simonsphotography.org.uk wrote:
 
  OK build success but I have to start kicad with the runkicad.bat file ?
 
  What have I actually done ? can I transfer this to other computers or
 move
  it on my current computer ?
 
  I opened the CvPCB program and it can't find any pcb footprints, is this
  all due to upgrading to the latest version that does things differently
 or
  is something broken ?
 
  Simon
 
 
 
  On 02/02/2014 15:49, Simon Turner wrote:
 
  whoops might be I got in a muddle and used the old winbuilder version,
  trying again...
 
  Simon
 
 
  On 02/02/2014 15:44, Simon Turner wrote:
 
  OK It's been running, yes on windows 7
 
  I now have:
 
  CMake error at kicadwinbuilder.cmake:1110 file: file COPY cannot find
  C:/kicad-winbuilder-3.2/src/library/library-
  press any key to continue
 
  So I got some sort of a build out of it, the layout of the kicad manager
  window is a bit messed up, the program icons are too far left and
 encroach
  on the file list and some are missing.
 
 
  The PCB program won't start because it can't find libcairo-2.dll, the
  icons for the programs to the left of it are missing. Oh and does it
 really
  need to take up 2.5GB of space ?
 
 
  Simon
 
 
  On 02/02/2014 13:54, Milan Horák wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  I'm happy to hear this.
 
  Did look into your logs - it seems like there was problem with too long
  path to a file required to compile process.
 
  Shortening the path should help (seems it did).
 
  Milan
 
  Dne 2.2.2014 14:29, Simon Turner napsal(a):
 
  Well I put it in C: and it's still building long after it would have
  died so must be working. Thank you, let you know how it turns out.
 
  Simon
 
  On 02/02/2014 12:42, Simon Turner wrote:
 
  I have, and the previous logs were from it but I was not in C: so I'm
  running again from C:
 
  Simon
 
  On 02/02/2014 12:35, Milan Horák wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  you should download latest kicad-winbuilder (version 3.3) -
  https://launchpad.net/kicad-winbuilder
 
  Milan
 
  Dne 2.2.2014 12:43, Simon Turner napsal(a):
 
  See coments below
  On 02/02/2014 11:28, Milan Horák wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  it should be simple (read 'Works for me'):
 
  - Enter 'kicad-winbuilder/env' directory and run 'make.bat' *No
  make.bat in this folder, using the one from the main folder does
  not work*
  - Wait for the script to finish
  - In 'kicad-winbuilder' directory run 'make.bat' *Thats all i was
  trying but got errors, log files attached*
  - In 'kicad-winbuilder' directory run 'RunKiCad.bat' *ok haven't done
  that yet and the make fails*
 
  Milan
 
  Dne 2.2.2014 11:50, Simon Turner napsal(a):
 
  I tried but got errors and was told to check the logs that told me
  nothing other than error2 and error3, I just gave up. I ended up with
  1.25GB of cmake files and stuff and noactual programs.
 
  I found the instructions a bit

[Kicad-developers] Fwd: Re: Revisiting the Git decision (I come in peace! - with a patch)

[Travis Ayres]

Forwarded to the list. My bad.
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Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] Revisiting the Git decision (I come in
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To: James Hagerman james.hager...@gmail.com
Cc:

I've been looking to get into kicad development as a way to grow skills and
contribute back. A lack of up to date binaries is a bit of a detriment;
also I've been unable to successfully build the current head on Windows for
a while now.

I'd be willing to help in any way I could. There is great room for
improvement in usability - we could also start forging new documents and
blueprints on these items, if there is any interest?  Maybe a code review
and documentation document, and a usability improvement document.

Also, eeschema could be extended to generate hierarchical HDL code. Is
there any interest in that?
On Feb 3, 2014 6:00 PM, James Hagerman james.hager...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,

 I've been lurking and haven't gotten into the KiCad source code yet. I
 joined the dev list to get help with building under OS X. This bzr/git
 debate is something I've been wondering about as well.

 I initially had issues installing bzr and bzr-tools under OS X. I tried
 using the KiCad Homebrew installer and it installed bzr and bzr-tools for
 me and then compiled KiCad. I know nothing of bzr on other platforms.

 Honestly: I don't think switching to git is actually going to solve the
 REAL issue behind why new devs want to see KiCad move to git. I think it's
 mostly a _documentation_ issue.

 The KiCad website and KiCad Launchpad page are full of broken or
 misleading links to old, outdated, or conflicting information. Binaries
 (and libraries) for all platforms are not readily available on either site.

 There is no simple, one stop location for documentation. It's spread
 through forums, email chains, bug reports, old email archives (left over
 from sourceforge), and a random slurry of blog posts by randoms all over
 the web.

 One solution to the bzr/git debate could be: Spend time fixing up the
 KiCad sites. Name some to the task. Shove all the git/bzr back-and-forth
 into one place while ALSO providing the rest of the info newcomers (devs or
 users) need to get rolling.

 Besides, a GitHub fork DOES exist and was being updated pretty regularly
 when I last checked... If bzr WAS a boundary to new devs, they'd all just
 start working off of that git fork and drop bzr on it's ass regardless...
 But that hasn't happened...

 Just my 3cents,
 James Hagerman


 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Wayne Stambaugh stambau...@verizon.net
  wrote:

 On 2/2/2014 9:16 AM, Mitch Davis wrote:
  On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Joel Holdsworth
  j...@airwebreathe.org.uk wrote:
  discouraged by the friction.
 
  Amen.
 
  Mitch.
 

 Is using Bazaar really enough friction (your word not mine) to prevent
 developers from contributing to KiCad?  I hope not.  That would be a
 very sad commentary indeed.  In the 25 years or so of software
 development, I've used almost every open source and quite a few
 proprietary VCSs.  I never found any of them that difficult to learn (at
 least as far as the client is concerned) to use it as an excuse for not
 contributing to a project.  If I thought for a second that switching to
 GIT would make life significantly easier or bring a flood of new highly
 skilled developers to the project, I would agree to it in a heartbeat.
 Either I am not that naive or too stubborn change just for the sake of
 the latest and greatest VCS.  The question to ask should not be whether
 or not to use GIT, it should be which tool best serves the needs of the
 project.  As long as we host the project on Launchpad, Bazaar is
 probably the best fit unless all of the Launchpad specific tools in
 Bazaar have been ported to GIT.  If they have, I haven't seen them so
 please point me in the right direction so I can test them.  We have so
 many more important issues to resolve than keeping up with the latest
 VCS.  For those who weren't around for the transition from
 Subversion/SourceForge to Bazaar/Launchpad, there was a lot of hand
 holding required for several months by the lead developers.  I
 personally am not ready to go through that again any time soon.  While I
 agree that the lack of development on Bazaar is not a good thing, it
 doesn't mean that we should immediately abandoned ship a switch to GIT.
  What happens when GIT matures to the point where development slows down
 or the next great VCS becomes more popular than GIT?  Do we kick it to
 the curb and jump on the next great thing?  If someone can provide
 quantifiable data that GIT will speed up development and/or bring more
 developers in the project, I would be willing to open up the discussion
 again.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Building KiCad on windows

[Travis Ayres]

It looks like one of the errors is an internal MinGW error when I try to
build.
Attached are some of my logs from the build process of Kicad-Winbuilder.

-Travis


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Simon Turner si...@simonsphotography.org.uk
 wrote:

  OK build success but I have to start kicad with the runkicad.bat file ?

 What have I actually done ? can I transfer this to other computers or move
 it on my current computer ?

 I opened the CvPCB program and it can't find any pcb footprints, is this
 all due to upgrading to the latest version that does things differently or
 is something broken ?

 Simon



 On 02/02/2014 15:49, Simon Turner wrote:

 whoops might be I got in a muddle and used the old winbuilder version,
 trying again...

 Simon


  On 02/02/2014 15:44, Simon Turner wrote:

 OK It's been running, yes on windows 7

 I now have:

 *CMake error at kicadwinbuilder.cmake:1110 file: file COPY cannot find
 C:/kicad-winbuilder-3.2/src/library/library-*


 *press any key to continue *So I got some sort of a build out of it, the
 layout of the kicad manager window is a bit messed up, the program icons
 are too far left and encroach on the file list and some are missing.


 The PCB program won't start because it can't find libcairo-2.dll, the
 icons for the programs to the left of it are missing. Oh and does it really
 need to take up 2.5GB of space ?


 Simon


  On 02/02/2014 13:54, Milan Horák wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm happy to hear this.

 Did look into your logs - it seems like there was problem with too long
 path to a file required to compile process.

 Shortening the path should help (seems it did).

 Milan

 Dne 2.2.2014 14:29, Simon Turner napsal(a):

 Well I put it in C: and it's still building long after it would have
 died so must be working. Thank you, let you know how it turns out.

 Simon

 On 02/02/2014 12:42, Simon Turner wrote:

 I have, and the previous logs were from it but I was not in C: so I'm
 running again from C:

 Simon

 On 02/02/2014 12:35, Milan Horák wrote:

 Hi,

 you should download latest kicad-winbuilder (version 3.3) -
 https://launchpad.net/kicad-winbuilder

 Milan

 Dne 2.2.2014 12:43, Simon Turner napsal(a):

 See coments below
 On 02/02/2014 11:28, Milan Horák wrote:

 Hi,

 it should be simple (read 'Works for me'):

 - Enter 'kicad-winbuilder/env' directory and run 'make.bat' *No
 make.bat in this folder, using the one from the main folder does
 not work*
 - Wait for the script to finish
 - In 'kicad-winbuilder' directory run 'make.bat' *Thats all i was
 trying but got errors, log files attached*
 - In 'kicad-winbuilder' directory run 'RunKiCad.bat' *ok haven't done
 that yet and the make fails*

 Milan

 Dne 2.2.2014 11:50, Simon Turner napsal(a):

 I tried but got errors and was told to check the logs that told me
 nothing other than error2 and error3, I just gave up. I ended up with
 1.25GB of cmake files and stuff and noactual programs.

 I found the instructions a bit minimal, any chance of a better
 instruction being written for it ?

 Simon


 On 01/02/2014 21:52, Ed Johns wrote:


 Simon,

 Have you tried using  kicad winbuilder? It has the full build
 environment which downloads the latest source.

 It is on launchpad as well.

 - Ed

 On Feb 1, 2014 4:47 PM, Simon Turner
 si...@simonsphotography.org.uk
 mailto:si...@simonsphotography.org.uk si...@simonsphotography.org.uk
 wrote:

 Hello All

 Just thought I'd raise something. It seems that the time between
 releases is lengthening as more work is being done to make
 things
 much better. I did once manage to build a fresh version of KiCAD
 on ubuntu and was very pleased with the progress but this was
 the
 only way of getting the most up to date features. I have since
 abandoned ubuntu (thout shalt now screw with my hardware
 thank you
 on pain of being removed !) and have tried to build the latest
 version on windows to no avail. I'm no programming expert (mcu's
 in arduino is my limit so far) but I'm no idiot and can follow
 instructions but instructions for windows builds seem to lack
 and
 everything bangs on about ubuntu.

 Is there any chance of making it easier to build KiCAD on
 windows
 or am I missing some information out there ?

 Thanks for all your work,

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Re: [Kicad-developers] testing has been renamed to product

[Travis Ayres]

I tried using bzr branch lp:kicad-winbuilder
but I run into problems - however the 3.2 archive on the kicad-winbuilder
site gets me closer, but still no joy currently.

Hmm.



On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:32 AM, Brian Sidebotham 
brian.sidebot...@gmail.com wrote:

 A new version of KiCad-Winbuilder will be released in the next few
 days. I haven't tried it since the change to product from testing, but
 there will only be a few references to testing, if any.

 The new version includes the library from github, and has wxPython 3 +
 a few patches.

 Best Regards,

 Brian.

 On 20 January 2014 21:33, Travis Ayres tray...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can probably still use the same computer though :)
 
  Haha thanks Dick :) I appreciate it.
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dick Hollenbeck d...@softplc.com
 wrote:
 
  On 01/20/2014 01:32 PM, Travis Ayres wrote:
   My branch.conf file:
  
   parent_location =
   http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-sidebotham/kicad-winbuilder/trunk/
   bound_location =
   http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-product-committers/kicad/product/
   bound = True
  
 
 
  When I said run
 
  $ bzr bind lp:kicad
 
  I meant in the kicad source working tree, not in the winbuilder working
  tree.
 
  You evidently have two working trees with a winbuilder setup, and now
 the
  winbuilder tree
  is broken, so you are doubly broke.
 
  Fixing the winbuilder tree:
 
  $ cd winbuilder tree
  $ bzr bind
  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-sidebotham/kicad-winbuilder/trunk/
 
 
  Fixing the kicad source tree:
 
  $ cd kicad src tree
  $ bzr bind lp:kicad
 
  After both are fixed, you have a prayer.  If this does not work, I am
 out
  of ideas.  Start
  over is what I would say.  You can probably still use the same computer
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Re: [Kicad-developers] testing has been renamed to product

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My branch.conf file:

parent_location =
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-sidebotham/kicad-winbuilder/trunk/
bound_location =
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-product-committers/kicad/product/
bound = True



On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Dick Hollenbeck d...@softplc.com wrote:

 On 01/20/2014 12:42 PM, Travis Ayres wrote:
  I'm getting:
  ERROR Updating source code!
  ERROR Bazaar said: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: 
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad
  -testing-committers/kicad/testing/.
 
  I thought it might be this change, but you're right about lp:kicad being
 treated like a
  symlink and thus giving some amount of immunity.
 
  Unfortunately now I'm not sure where the error is coming from.


 After following the instruction in my email, which were:


 $ bzr bind lp:kicad


 It should work.

 If not, then attach your branch.conf file to the developer's mailing list.



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Re: [Kicad-developers] testing has been renamed to product

[Travis Ayres]

You can probably still use the same computer though :)

Haha thanks Dick :) I appreciate it.


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dick Hollenbeck d...@softplc.com wrote:

 On 01/20/2014 01:32 PM, Travis Ayres wrote:
  My branch.conf file:
 
  parent_location =
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-sidebotham/kicad-winbuilder/trunk/
  bound_location =
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kicad-product-committers/kicad/product/
  bound = True
 


 When I said run

 $ bzr bind lp:kicad

 I meant in the kicad source working tree, not in the winbuilder working
 tree.

 You evidently have two working trees with a winbuilder setup, and now the
 winbuilder tree
 is broken, so you are doubly broke.

 Fixing the winbuilder tree:

 $ cd winbuilder tree
 $ bzr bind
 http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brian-sidebotham/kicad-winbuilder/trunk/


 Fixing the kicad source tree:

 $ cd kicad src tree
 $ bzr bind lp:kicad

 After both are fixed, you have a prayer.  If this does not work, I am out
 of ideas.  Start
 over is what I would say.  You can probably still use the same computer
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Re: Problems with the simulation using LTSpice !!!

[Travis Ayres]

If I remember correctly, effective channel width is the channel width after
diffusion (it is not the same as the drawn channel width because diffusion
'blurs' the edges). It looks like you have a variable that is saying take
your drawn channel width, add some amount for diffusion,  that is your
effective channel length - but that value is now less than or equal to 0.

Either set the diffusion variable to zero, or make your drawn channel
length bigger.
On Aug 17, 2013 5:31 PM, Joaquin Cury biolyc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, I am trying to simulate an operational amplifier. When I click in the
 option write spice deck, the Electric tells me:

 BSIM3: mosfet Mnmos-4@1, model nmos: Effective channel width = 0

 anyone know what that means ?

 Thanks

 Joaquin

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Re: Simulation of the Electric Using LTspice !!!

[Travis Ayres]

The r is missing in capacitor on the netlist line for xcapacitor. If that
doesn't fix it, let me know, Ill break out the help file and we will get it
running!
On Aug 19, 2013 7:29 AM, Joaquin Cury biolyc...@gmail.com wrote:



 El lunes, 19 de agosto de 2013 10:31:15 UTC-3, Joaquin Cury escribió:

 Hello, I made the schematic and the layout of an oscillator but when I am
 trying to simulate the layout, the Electric tells me:

 Unkown subcircuit call in:

 xrresnwell@3 net@161 net@5 rnwod l=125.0*lambda w=12.0*lambda

 what should I do ?

 thanks !

 joaquin



 Hi Travis, I simulate it again and the Electric tells me:

 unkown subcircuit called in:
 xcapacitor@0 net@12 net@261 capacitor_0.22pf

 here is the netlist:

 *** SPICE deck for cell Circuito_Oscilador_400Mhz{sch} from library
 *Proyecto_Final
 *** Created on dom ago 18, 2013 12:55:47
 *** Last revised on lun ago 19, 2013 11:24:05
 *** Written on lun ago 19, 2013 11:26:55 by Electric VLSI Design System,
 *version 9.04
 *** Layout tech: mocmos, foundry MOSIS
 *** UC SPICE *** , MIN_RESIST 4.0, MIN_CAPAC 0.1FF

 *** SUBCIRCUIT Capacitor_0_22pf FROM CELL Capacitor_0.22pf{sch}
 .SUBCKT Capacitor_0_22pf P1 P2
 Cpoly2cap@0 P1 P2 0.22p

 * Spice Code nodes in cell cell 'Capacitor_0.22pf{sch}'
 C1 P1 P2 0.22pF
 .ENDS Capacitor_0_22pf

 *** SUBCIRCUIT Resistor_10k FROM CELL Resistor_10k{sch}
 .SUBCKT Resistor_10k L R
 Rresnwell@0 R L 10k

 * Spice Code nodes in cell cell 'Resistor_10k{sch}'
 R1 L R 10k
 .ENDS Resistor_10k

 *** TOP LEVEL CELL: Circuito_Oscilador_400Mhz{sch}
 Mnmos-4@0 net@12 net@92 Vss Vss NMOS L=0.4U W=2U
 Mnmos-4@3 net@22 net@12 Vss Vss NMOS L=0.4U W=2U
 Mnmos-4@4 net@73 net@22 Vss Vss NMOS L=0.4U W=2U
 Mnmos-4@5 net@73 Act net@242 Vss NMOS L=0.4U W=2U
 Mnmos-4@6 vdd net@242 Vout Vss NMOS L=0.4U W=20U
 Mpmos@0 vdd net@92 net@12 vdd PMOS L=0.4U W=2U
 Mpmos@3 vdd net@12 net@22 vdd PMOS L=0.4U W=2U
 Mpmos@4 vdd net@22 net@73 vdd PMOS L=0.4U W=2U
 XCapacito@0 net@12 net@261 Capacitor_0.22pf
 XResistor@0 net@92 net@261 Resistor_10k
 XResistor@1 net@261 net@73 Resistor_10k
 XResistor@2 Vss net@242 Resistor_10k

 * Spice Code nodes in cell cell 'Circuito_Oscilador_400Mhz{sch}'
 Vdd Vdd 0 DC 5
 Vss Vss 0 DC -5
 VAct Act 0 DC 0 pulse (-5V 5V 0 100p 100p .5µ 1µ)
 .TRAN 0.11mS 3mS
 .include C:\Electric\C5_models.txt
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[casper] Altium Libraries not included on Github for Roach-2?

[Travis Ayres]

SOIC8-PP.PcbLib and KEYELCO_1065.PcbLib aren't included in the Github
directory. It causes some errors with the harnesses and potentially leaves
out some footprints, for those who are following along. Any change we could
get these files included, or is there a way to generate them from the PCB
file?


Thanks,
-Travis Ayres

[casper] Generating a pcblib from the Roach-2 design files

[Travis Ayres]

I generated a pcblib from the Roach-2 design files - I think this is why
these files weren't included, I just didn't know how it worked before now.
Thanks all!

Re: [Kicad-developers] There's something wrong with dragging in eeschema...

[Travis Ayres]

Hi everyone,

There is a dragging issue that is replicable, but I'm not enough of a
wxWidgets expert to track it down. I'm willing to help anyone who is
attempting this effort though. Please post your progress and some
information on your steps if you could.

-Travis


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Lorenzo Marcantonio 
l.marcanto...@logossrl.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:30:07PM +0200, Lorenzo Marcantonio wrote:
  OK, I'll try to do a vanilla build to see if something broke during
  merge (I didn't change anything about that, I have no idea...)

 Hrr... even vanilla sometimes give the issue; not always and not on
 faster boxes... could it be a timing condition or something about the
 order of the event arrival??? On the atom box it does it *always*
 (should be easier to debug at least :D)

 I'll need more intensive tracing to find the culprit; I suppose the
 auto-pan code is in the common frame, right?

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Re: [Kicad-developers] The developer mailing list did not work in my case

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Hi Shane,

I'm no expert, but it looks like the linker can't find the wxgtk library.
Did you compile it in an odd directory, perchance?

-Travis


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Shane Volpe shanevo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been trying to get the samples together but I'm struggling with
 getting KiCAD to compile.  I switched from Ubuntu to ArchLinux and
 have had no luck getting KiCAD to compile under ArchLinux.  I keep
 getting the following error:
 usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_gl-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_aui-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_adv-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_html-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_core-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_based_net-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_based-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_based_xml-2.8

 I tried compiling wxgtk manually but still get the above errors, I'm
 assuming there is some option(s) I'm missing when compiling wxgtk.
 Can anyone point me in the right direction on what I might be doing
 wrong.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] The developer mailing list did not work in my case

[Travis Ayres]

To those new to wxwidgets who may be on the Windows platform, wx-config is
available on windows as a separate project at

https://sites.google.com/site/wxconfig/

Put it in your path - it really helps
 On May 25, 2013 11:01 AM, jean-pierre charras jp.char...@wanadoo.fr
wrote:

 On 05/25/2013 07:00 PM, Shane Volpe wrote:

 I've been trying to get the samples together but I'm struggling with
 getting KiCAD to compile.  I switched from Ubuntu to ArchLinux and
 have had no luck getting KiCAD to compile under ArchLinux.  I keep
 getting the following error:
 usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_gl-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_aui-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_adv-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_html-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2d_core-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_based_net-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_based-2.8
 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_based_xml-2.8

 I tried compiling wxgtk manually but still get the above errors, I'm
 assuming there is some option(s) I'm missing when compiling wxgtk.
 Can anyone point me in the right direction on what I might be doing
 wrong.
 Regards,
 Shane


 try:
 wx-config --libs
 to see where wxGTK libs are expected to be.
 (be sure you have run make install after built wxGTK).

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[Kicad-developers] wxForumBuilder errors?

[Travis Ayres]

hi everyone,

I downloaded wxFB so that I could examine the *.fbp and gain more insight
into the KiCad source, but when I used the stable version I was unable to
open the files - wxFB stated that the file was created with a newer version
of wxFB.

I downloaded the nightly, and I'm getting the error wxForum Builder Error -
The property named aui_manager_style of class Dialog is not supported
by this version of wxFB.

What version of wxFB was used? Has anyone else had this or a similar
problem?

Thanks everyone!
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[Kicad-developers] Include Boost installation instructions in build-msw.txt?

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Hi everyone,

I'm following along with build-msw.txt; should simple instructions for
boost be included? Installing Boost with MinGW (so far) is a bit of a pain,
and it could save people some time. The rest of the instructions were well
written and concise.

I'm even thinking it might be useful to include some info on doxygen and
how to setup something like Code::Blocks for KiCad. I'm in the process of
figuring all this out anyway - I could document it if there's any interest?
Maybe it would help people jumping in?

Thanks!
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[Kicad-developers] Ghosting In EESchema (Need to implement a redraw after move command?)

[Travis Ayres]

I'm currently using EESchema build 2013-04-19 BZR 4011 stable; I know other
people can reproduce this issue (perhaps it is fixed in a newer version?)

There seems to be quite a bit of ghosting in EESchema. I assume this can be
fixed by forcing a screen redraw (The same as pressing the F3 button). I
would also do this when moving by a screenful using the keyboard - by
putting the cursor near the edge of the screen, then using the keyboard to
move over, you get a ghosting of the cursor.

I've attached a screenshot to show this.

Currently I'm in the process of getting KiCad built and using Code::Blocks
with my (freshly minted) wxWidgets and Mingw installations, but I'm not up
to speed on...any of it yet, so if someone has anything to say about this
issue or has helpful hints about where these components reside in the
source, I'd love to hear them. Hooray for KiCad!

Thanks everyone!

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[Kicad-developers] OSX Support for EESchema (still?) experimental?

[Travis Ayres]

The reference manual @
http://www.kicad-pcb.org/download/attachments/1212538/eeschema.pdf
says that OSX support for EESchema is still experimental. Is this correct?
It hasn't been updated in a while (or I'm looking at the old one
accidentally?)

Thanks all!
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Regression Testing

[Travis Ayres]

We could entirely avoid the python 2/3 question by implementing and
sticking with C++, and if we arent going to get satisfactory speed it would
forever doom the tool to toy status
On Apr 30, 2013 12:50 PM, Lorenzo Marcantonio l.marcanto...@logossrl.com
wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 02:00:16PM -0500, Dick Hollenbeck wrote:
  I agree with you, to the extent that having some new code in wxPthon is
 likely to
  accelerate the evolution of KiCad to near epic speed.  Simply
 categorizing, organizing,
  and gathering, will be an extreme challenge.  Even some terminology must
 be agreed upon so
  that we can talk about it.  Types of scripts: python on C++, or python
 under C++ UI, etc.

 Slow stuff under C++ :D

 Really, I'm not satisfied with python speed *expecially* for wxPython

 Also the C++ bindings are all but robust, at the moment.

 --
 Lorenzo Marcantonio
 Logos Srl

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Re: [Kicad-developers] EESchema - multiple tabbed sheets per design, copy/paste between schematic pages

[Travis Ayres]

I have noticed another issue - when I place the cursor near the edge of the
screen, then use a arrow key to move a screenful, there is a residue left
on the screen from the cursor.
On Apr 29, 2013 3:02 PM, Felix Morgner felix.morg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Travis,

 I am currently investigating some drawing issues when running under OSX.
 I'm in a very early phase of the investigation, but I'm trying to figure
 out:

 1. why the component (when dragged or moved) steps aside a little bit,
 just to step when one places it
 2. why the menubars disappear when moving a part (they don't do it when
 one drags the component)
 3. what the differences are between the moving and dragging drawing code.

 so I think we could have a chat about this stuff :)

 Greets, Felix

 Am 29.04.2013 um 17:38 schrieb Travis Ayres tray...@gmail.com:

  Hi all,
 
  I'd like to understand where the development of EESchema is, because I'd
 like tabs for each page of a design and the ability to copy/paste between
 schematics. Also, I have found a few redraw issues (that I haven't looked
 into yet).
 
  Is there anyone who's working on something similar or someone who's
 thinking about the same thing I could start a conversation with to improve
 EESchema?
 
  Thanks,
  -Travis
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