Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup and mapping more

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 11:27 AM, Clay Smalley wrote: I like this idea. That would encourage more people to TIGER-review streets, as highway=road shows up pretty ugly on Mapnik, and people like getting rid of ugly. What would be the drawbacks of doing this? It seems like there would be some but I can't

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 11:43 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote: NE2, So after I bring up that I don't think railways should be drawn through buildings, and most people agree with me on that, you decide to do this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.762886lon=-71.430509zoom=18layers=M Does 86 Central Street,

Re: [Talk-us] railway=abandoned and mapping things that are not there any more?

2012-07-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/12/2012 10:45 PM, Mike N wrote: On 7/12/2012 4:21 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: This is a strawman, since there will rarely be more than one former line across a small area. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone wants to map all the former second tracks, sidings

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/11/2012 8:38 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/11/12 13:59, Mike N wrote: The state capital region of Columbia, South Carolina will be a prime test of the Do empty areas attract contributors? theory for some time to come. Why, is someone planning to remove the TIGER import in that

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/11/2012 9:31 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 07/11/12 15:20, Nathan Edgars II wrote: The state capital region of Columbia, South Carolina will be a prime test of the Do empty areas attract contributors? theory for some time to come. Why, is someone planning to remove the TIGER import

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've just ensured that the OSMF will do minimal damage to the U.S. railway network outside the Los Angeles area. Most of the damage will be moving nodes, meaning that geometry may be totally borked but topology will be fine. ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/10/2012 5:40 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I've just ensured that the OSMF will do minimal damage to the U.S. railway network outside the Los Angeles area. Oh, and South Carolina. Not going to touch that. Most of the damage will be moving nodes, meaning that geometry may be totally

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-dev] Licence redaction ready to begin

2012-07-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/10/2012 6:15 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Nathan, How did you ensure that the railroads will be damaged minimally Using JOSM's license change plugin. If the OSMF uses a different algorithm, we're all screwed. (and why is poor old LA excluded)? Because there's a lot of work and I can

Re: [Talk-us] US Road route relation conventions

2012-07-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/9/2012 6:23 PM, Mike N wrote: Is there a Wiki page that describes the best current highway tagging scheme to document use of route relations and refs to support Mapnik with shields and other data consumers? No, because there is no current tagging scheme :)

Re: [Talk-us] Scenic/Historic byways

2012-07-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/8/2012 3:20 PM, Toby Murray wrote: Just came across this while processing pictures from my bike across Kansas: http://i.imgur.com/bmiV2.jpg This is a sign for the Western Vistas historic byway. It even has a website: http://www.westernvistashistoricbyway.com/ Closer to home I have also

Re: [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-07-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 7/3/2012 4:11 PM, Anthony wrote: What if it's an abandoned railway which is adjacent to a not-abandoned railway? Then it's already tagged as a rail trail. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Shorelines of highly variable lakes

2012-06-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Note that if you have the desired surface level, you can use USGS topos to place the shoreline on the correct contour. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-06-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/27/2012 10:46 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Ideally a map of rail trails should include them (e.g. the one in Trains magazine's May 2011 issue), but there's no easy way to determine if a trail is one. I would map the ways independently when the trail is adjacent to the rails. Duh? The

[Talk-us] An amusing story of a GNIS entry

2012-06-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.fuzzyworld3.com/3um/viewtopic.php?f=29t=3183 I suppose the question is whether OSM should have this place (assuming someone verifies that the sign is gone). Currently it does as part of the GNIS import: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/153418203/history

[Talk-us] Rails with trails

2012-06-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Currently it's simple enough to find most (correctly-tagged) rail trails in the database: find anything tagged railway=abandoned and highway=[one of the trail values]. These trails are usually flatter than roads, and are therefore well-suited for long-distance cycling. But another popular

Re: [Talk-us] Work on Arizona rail lines deleted

2012-06-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/19/2012 1:27 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Dear US folks, I did a lot of work on the railroad that parallels I-40 across Arizona, from Gallup, N.M., to Flagstaff, Ariz. There are two parallel tracks with different names, Not sure what you mean by this. The Gallup Subdivision (Belen-East

Re: [Talk-us] Los Angeles area status

2012-06-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/14/2012 9:31 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: I'm not sure I blame him, in theory, for not agreeing to something unseen, being solely at the mercy of the masses - the same ones that approved this change to begin with. Actually there wasn't even that level of approval. The current license change

Re: [Talk-us] Seeing things you don't care about in the database

2012-06-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/11/2012 7:17 PM, Mark Gray wrote: On one hand, I share the frustration of having lots of new data in an area making some of our tools slower and more difficult to use. In my area a building footprint import slowed down most of the mapping tools and land use polygons can get in the way of

Re: [OSM-talk] Import guidelines review

2012-06-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/6/2012 3:11 PM, Tirkon wrote: Worst Fixerworstfi...@gmail.com wrote: It means that we must revert things like TIGER and CanVec. Am I right? I think fundamentally you are right with this point. My impression is that many people at OSM regret these imports - in fact the longer they are

Re: [Talk-us] Menlo Park Admin Boundary

2012-06-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I forgot to mention that you can also use Potlatch 1. Hit U to view deleted ways, select the way, and unlock. This is probably the easiest for a simple undeletion like this. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] Special issues in LA remap

2012-06-05 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 6/5/2012 3:42 PM, Mike N wrote: On 6/5/2012 2:56 PM, stevea wrote: But socially, or more properly stated, in the context of reaching OSM consensus, what does our community think of (rather wholesale) reverts of a contributor who has not agreed to the CT? Are we OK with that? This nearly

Re: [Talk-us] User cleared out a chunk of streets

2012-05-31 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/31/2012 11:33 AM, Brian May wrote: Hi All, I just noticed in Gainesville, FL user AMPINTERMEDIA http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/AMPINTERMEDIA recently deleted a chunk of streets from one section of town. Doesn't look sinister - they are a new user and probably didn't realize what they

Re: [Talk-us] proposed automated edit: forested wetlands

2012-05-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2012 6:04 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: The landuse import for Georgia (which IMO is poor-quality and should be deleted, but that's not going to happen) has a bunch of areas tagged as note = Forested Wetland with no useful natural=* tags (since natural=wood and natural=wetland both apply

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] proposed automated edit: forested wetlands

2012-05-30 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/30/2012 6:19 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: There's absolutely no reason to rush. Data that's been sitting in OSM for *years* without even being noticed as a problem I noticed it as a problem about a year ago. ___ Talk-us mailing list

[Talk-us] UK assumptions that don't hold in the U.S.

2012-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've noticed some odd things on OpenCycleMap and other renderings, and I think it's due to a difference in how things are in the UK vs. here. *Most railways have passenger service. Thus OCM (and the transport map) show all rail lines. *Tracks are useful for cycling. When you zoom in on OCM,

[Talk-us] proposed automated edit: forested wetlands

2012-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The landuse import for Georgia (which IMO is poor-quality and should be deleted, but that's not going to happen) has a bunch of areas tagged as note = Forested Wetland with no useful natural=* tags (since natural=wood and natural=wetland both apply). Example:

Re: [Talk-us] UK assumptions that don't hold in the U.S.

2012-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2012 10:00 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 05/29/12 11:57, Nathan Edgars II wrote: *Most railways have passenger service. Thus OCM (and the transport map) show all rail lines. But isn't a railway an obstacle for cyclists no matter what services they support? Sure. But that would

Re: [Talk-us] Topo map source?

2012-05-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/28/2012 1:58 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: Do we have a new source for WMS topo maps now that Terraserver (msrmaps.com) has been shut down? Can I get a working URL from somebody?

Re: [Tagging] Update of article highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/25/2012 2:16 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Am 25.05.2012 um 01:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: I'd register my disapproval, but it would simply be ignored, so I'll just ignore the new guidelines and continue tagging as I have been. I'm curious: what exactly do you

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Cycle lanes cycle tracks - my findings and a proposal

2012-05-22 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/22/2012 10:07 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: E.g. if the cycleway is not suitable for your bike (e.g. you have a huge trailer, or it is damaged, or it is obstructed by stuff, or...) you will still be legally entitled to use the road. Also if the cycleway does not go where you want to go

Re: [Talk-us] How do I fix dupe nodes in waterways?

2012-05-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/20/2012 8:22 PM, James Umbanhowar wrote: I'm guessing that if you remove all the (superfluous) NHD:xxx tags, they will then become duplicate nodes in waterways, which I think can still be fixed in JOSM. Nope - removed all but waterway=* and I have the same problem. I've noticed boundary

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/19/2012 11:43 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: All three examples would not be roundabouts in Germany or Italy, where the use of the roundabout tag is linked to the presence of the corresponding road sign for a roundabout, at least this seems to be common practice on OSM. In New Jersey the

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/19/2012 1:01 PM, Anthony wrote: I'd be interested in seeing a sign which says circle used on a roundabout, though. If you mean simply a circle where all entering traffic yields, here's one:

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-19 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/19/2012 1:34 PM, Anthony wrote: I'm not sure that qualifies as approaching vehicles being deflected around a central island (the MUTCD definition). The deflection is being done by the islands in the four corners. Buh? So you wouldn't call

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/18/2012 9:15 AM, Anthony wrote: 2012/5/18 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 3:04 PM, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! I updated now the english article: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout Translations will follow in the next days. Traffic circles are usually tagged as roundabouts, contrary to your statement.

Re: [Tagging] Dispute again: Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 3:40 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Can someone please stop NE2? I'm sick and tired of this person. I'm on it. Oh wait, that's me. Hi there. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:39 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. Why do you keep starting the wars? Have you stopped beating your wife?

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:27 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. By the way, his block summary is complete bullshit. He says The discussion on tagging@ mentions traffic circles and right of way several times and allways

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/17/2012 5:48 PM, Gnonthgol wrote: Whoever the hell Gnonthgol is on the wiki has blocked me to get his way in an edit war. I am sorry I offended you but I was not out to win an edit war. You were blocked because you edited against the consensus on the list, and when I reverted your edits

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/9080282

[Tagging] proposing a page on the wiki: tag names do not always correspond to their definitions

2012-05-17 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'd like to propose a page that basically says that just because a tag is named X, that does not mean that something should be tagged as such only if it meets the real-world definition of X. The following examples can be included: *Many cities are tagged with place=town *Bikes and pedestrians

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 8:51 AM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Unless you want to invent a new tag for the New Jersey circles that give right-of-way to some approaches. I wouldn't mind. There's something fundamentally different between a

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when one or more approaches has right-of-way? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:52 PM, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote: Am 16.05.2012 um 19:44 schrieb Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when one or more

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under normal conditions at least) you could probably come up with a reasonable set of tags. Inland waterways are

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 6:48 PM, Dale Puch wrote: I found this at http://www.ndc.iwr.usace.army.mil/data/dictionary/ddnwn.htm Data is here http://www.ndc.iwr.usace.army.mil//db/waternet/data/ but not in shp format so someone would need to do some format translation. There are lots of other sets of data and

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 7:41 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have an actual use case where it's so important to know whether entering traffic yields that the user expects a completely different tag when one or more approaches has

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 8:13 PM, Anthony wrote: Also, I'd prefer for my satnav to save the word roundabout for actual roundabouts. If it starts talking to me about roundabouts when I'm just merging onto a road which is part of an interchange which is kind of circular in shape, I'm just going to get

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 8:34 PM, Anthony wrote: Anyway, while looking for an example of a roundabout, I came across this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/83428962/history Why did you remove the roundabout tag? Because it's not a complete circle... ___

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 10:42 PM, Dale Puch wrote: You might check with the OpenSeaMap guys Surely at one of them is paying attention to tagging@? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/15/2012 10:30 AM, Anthony wrote: Okay, so, for OSM terminology, a roundabout means 1) traffic goes in one direction; 2) entering traffic must yield; and 3) entering traffic need not stop (no stop signs). Nope. Junction=roundabout applies to all (one-way) traffic circles, no matter what

[Tagging] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is anyone familiar with the regulations governing the U.S. inland waterways (such as the Mississippi River and the Intracoastal Waterway)? From my brief look, it seems to be less these barge configurations are allowed and more you can go anywhere but don't crash. Is this correct, or are there

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: In either case, any idea what the suitable tags might look like (other than the generic boat=yes ship=yes)? I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under

Re: [Talk-us] tagging cul-de-sacs

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/15/2012 2:23 PM, Alan Mintz wrote: At 2012-05-15 11:19, Clifford Snow wrote: I tag culs-de-sac as turning_circles and only draw a circular way when there is an island in the middle. But I have a question. Where should the turning_circle node be placed? In the middle of the culs-de-sac or

[Talk-us] Vandalism by ZeGermanata needs sorting out

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ZeGermanata/edits Vandalism includes the following: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/21523281/history changing ref=US 41 to US 241 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/163035927/history fake motorway bypass

[Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is anyone familiar with the regulations governing the U.S. inland waterways (such as the Mississippi River and the Intracoastal Waterway)? From my brief look, it seems to be less these barge configurations are allowed and more you can go anywhere but don't crash. Is this correct, or are there

Re: [Talk-us] U.S. inland waterways

2012-05-15 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: In either case, any idea what the suitable tags might look like (other than the generic boat=yes ship=yes)? I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under

Re: [Tagging] Turning circle with island or turning loop (was Re: (Mini)Roundabout: examples

2012-05-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/14/2012 11:02 AM, Martin Vonwald wrote: The longer I think about it, the more I'm asking myself: do we really need a tag for this? If someone doesn't want to map it as loop, why not simply end the road without any additional tag? What information are we missing then, that we are not missing

Re: [Tagging] Two lane expressways

2012-05-13 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/13/2012 5:25 PM, Pieren wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Since oneway=yes is the default for motorways (per the wiki, and apparently some routers), these should be tagged as oneway=no (as these two in fact are). NE2 is in favour of

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER road expansion code

2012-05-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/12/2012 12:41 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: What error rate is acceptable? As low as possible, but I've been generally able to handle the edge cases I've seen, either by doing the right thing, or by punting and doing nothing at all. It's worth noting that any errors are already there as

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-12 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The process seems obvious to me: check that the name is still what it originally was (from the tiger:name_base etc. tags), and if so, use those tags to expand abbreviations. (Ignore any with semicolons/colons from joining.) If not, set it aside for semi-manual checking. The only false

Re: [Tagging] Two lane expressways

2012-05-11 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/11/2012 4:23 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Hi, Two-lane expressways. I came across one of these when running an analysis on OSM data in Vermont, USA. I didn't even know they existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-lane_expressway#United_States The one I looked at is tagged as motorway:

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:05 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: mini_roundabout is by definition a traversible object, but one with a hard median isn't. A mini-roundabout may be by definition traversable, but that doesn't mean highway=mini_roundabout is, any more than a highway=trunk is a trunk road or a

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:21 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: Nathan, formally you are correct, but it has been OSM practice to base its tags on UK definitions. Nope. In the UK, not all highway=trunks are trunk roads. Some have been detrunked but remain in the primary route network.

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:30 AM, Josh Doe wrote: I've made some significant edits to this article to improve the overall quality, as well as hopefully provide text which satisfies both concerned parties. Nope - you said that it's erroneous to use the tag as many mappers have, for a miniature roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 11:52 AM, fly wrote: Why should we have two tags for roundabouts which differe only in size. We do not do this with other objects/tags. waterway=ditch/canal and stream/river? (By the way, we don't currently have two node tags for roundabouts. Hence the current situation.)

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 12:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/10 Josh Doej...@joshdoe.com: I propose we start accepting junction=roundabout to be used on nodes. you can do this but it will always be preliminary and worse than explicit geometry Why?

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 12:35 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2012/5/10 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com: On 5/10/2012 12:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: you can do this but it will always be preliminary and worse than explicit geometry Why? Because it gives you more information (e.g. the radius

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I've started tagging local mini_roundabouts with mountable=yes/no. Most have trees and are obviously not. But I'm not exactly sure where the line is. Should one with a low curb, more like a gutter, be considered a true mini-roundabout or not? For example, this one in Kissimmee:

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 5:31 PM, Andrew Chadwick (lists) wrote: 19 tc (turning circle at the end of a road, with or without a solid centre) Careful - there was a recent dispute over whether a turning circle with an island is really a turning_circle, very reminiscent of this mini_roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I just went through the mini_roundabouts in east central Florida. I found one definitely mountable (in an industrial park), 202 definitely not mountable (including some culs-de-sac), 3 that I'm not sure about, and 4 mistagged turning_circles. Obviously this says a lot about roundabout

Re: [Tagging] Dispute on highway=mini_roundabout

2012-05-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/10/2012 6:47 PM, Andrew Chadwick (lists) wrote: Might solve the problem of people not making the distinction between flat mini roundabouts and the bigger sort, or not making the distinction in the definitively correct place. You're conflating size of intersection with height of center.

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 10:03 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:59 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. I'm ignoring this wiki-fiddling: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dmini_roundaboutdiff=747981oldid=689543 Both edits you mention seem to

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 11:02 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On May 7, 2012 7:06 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 9:59 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Ian Deesian.d...@gmail.com mailto:ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've mapped

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 12:41 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: It vaults right over any supposed definition of mini-roundabout. I suppose if you ignored the whole traversability or vertical clearance requirements the wiki's had since the

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're assuming that each real-world situation has only one correct way of mapping.

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 1:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/7/2012 1:02 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Still, the diverging use overlaps improperly with the actual roundabout correctly as a ring using junction=roundabout. ;o) You're

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/7/2012 4:28 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: So this is not/should not be a mini_roundabout? It seems a little silly to call it anything else, since the city just dug a hole in the center of the existing intersection, built a circular curb, and planted a tree: http://g.co/maps/e2gsv Even sillier:

Re: [Talk-us] First bona fide mini-roundabout spotted

2012-05-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
The problem seems to be that mappers needed a tag for a small roundabout on a node. Since all that was available was mini_roundabout, that's what we used. Had there been another tag, e.g. highway=roundabout, we wouldn't have this discussion. But mini_roundabout is now in use for a large number

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed Fresno fixes

2012-05-06 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/6/2012 1:39 PM, Nathan Mixter wrote: 2. Align the shapes to match what is on the ground. I plan to either get rid of or modify them so they match what is on the ground. I'm not sure how you plan on doing this. Many times a fence will be on one side of the property line, to avoid dealing

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-05-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/4/2012 2:42 PM, Apollinaris Schöll wrote: any import should be treated like this. if it's not edited and the data isn't used then it should be removed after some time. That's a silly statement. If something isolated gets imported, e.g. a water political boundary, it probably won't be

[Tagging] That stupid 'quarter' tag has been approved

2012-05-03 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/place%3Dquarter#Voting_result ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-05-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/27/2012 3:25 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: While this is ongoing, Pieren continues to remove area=yes from railway=platform, which has been on the page since it was created in 2008: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:railway%3Dplatformaction=history And Pieren continues

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing TIGER street name abbreviations

2012-05-01 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/1/2012 1:23 PM, Anthony wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/1/2012 12:59 PM, Anthony wrote: Automatically expanding abbreviations is a terrible idea. If an abbreviation is unambiguous, then it can be expanded during the preprocessing

[Tagging] Waterway directionality in drainage canals

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It's the standard to draw a waterway in the direction of flow. I've questioned this several times, but it's an ingrained default. My question is more specific: what happens to a drainage canal that reverses direction? I offer the Everglades and surrounding agricultural land as an example.

Re: [Tagging] lanes=* on cycleways

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/28/2012 5:32 AM, Sander Deryckere wrote: Can you give a picture of multi-lane cycleways (or coordinates, so we can see it in aerial pics or via streetview)? Not quite what you're looking for, but here's another weird edge case with a pedestrian lane rather than a sidewalk:

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/28/2012 7:59 AM, Anthony wrote: Scanning the wiki it looks like usually-not-area would be less of a moving target. Otherwise almost every time someone adds a new amenity you have to add a new always-area tag. The usually-not-area would be junction=roundabout, barrier=*,

[Talk-us] Waterway directionality in drainage canals

2012-04-28 Thread Nathan Edgars II
It's the standard to draw a waterway in the direction of flow. I've questioned this several times, but it's an ingrained default. My question is more specific: what happens to a drainage canal that reverses direction? I offer the Everglades and surrounding agricultural land as an example.

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-27 Thread Nathan Edgars II
While this is ongoing, Pieren continues to remove area=yes from railway=platform, which has been on the page since it was created in 2008: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:railway%3Dplatformaction=history ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Fresno castradal imports

2012-04-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/26/2012 2:54 AM, Paul Norman wrote: I happened across an import of Fresno castradal data from mid-2010 in the Fresno area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.77lon=-119.81zoom=15 is the general area but I haven't fully explored the extents. For a view of the data, see

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/25/2012 3:39 AM, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: It's not highway only. For example, it can be used on railway=platform: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/94063273 or man_made=pier:

Re: [Tagging] area=yes on polygones (was Block names)

2012-04-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/25/2012 4:53 AM, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote: Because a railway platform is usually drawn as a single line (as is a pier). Omitting area=yes gives a hole in the middle. Sounds tagging for the renderer... Where did I mention

Re: [Tagging] Block names (vs street names) in Brasilia

2012-04-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/24/2012 2:13 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Pieren - thanks for pointing out that area=yes is highway only. How could the documentation for it be clearer [1]? It's not highway only. For example, it can be used on railway=platform: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/94063273 or

Re: [Talk-us] Parks, etc. Points or outlines

2012-04-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/24/2012 2:38 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Yes, there should be only one feature for each real world object, and the way/multipolygon has more spatial information, however the nodes might have other useful information like the GNIS feature ID. For this matter, why are there county nodes all over

Re: [Talk-us] Parks, etc. Points or outlines

2012-04-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/24/2012 10:21 PM, Toby Murray wrote: I think the reason they exist is the same reason why cities always have a node in addition to their administrative boundaries. And states/countries too far that matter. Most renderers render the name from the nodes, not the admin boundaries. This makes

[Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to ensure that they are not too heavy? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Weigh stations

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/20/2012 4:19 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 20.04.2012 09:02, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Is there a tag in use for weigh stations, places where trucks are weighed to ensure that they are not too heavy? There is only a tag at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement

[Tagging] highway=services/rest_area

2012-04-20 Thread Nathan Edgars II
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dservices says that it (usually) has fuel and food, but it links to Wikipedia:rest area. Should the Wikipedia link be removed (and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Drest_area)? Should the word 'usually' be removed?

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