Re: [alto] BGP-LS as replicated IGP computing and BGP route collection

2023-07-23 Thread Y. Richard Yang
e (of what has been done) such as ALTO and maybe other services such as control plane verification. Data export is indeed expensive and hence should be a major consideration in such a route state (RS) protocol, if designed. Make sense? Thank you so much! Richard > > Cheers, > &g

Re: [alto] Meeting Info for Tuesday 07/18/2023

2023-07-22 Thread Y. Richard Yang
n/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2022/12/Telefonica-Third-data-subjects-Privacy-Policy.pdf> > . > > Informamos que o responsável pelo tratamento dos seus dados é a entidade > do Grupo Telefónica vinculada ao remetente, a fim de manter o contato > professional e administrar a relação esta

[alto] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-yang-alto-multi-domain-03.txt

2023-07-10 Thread Y. Richard Yang
FYI. Any comments or suggestions are greatly appreciated. -- Forwarded message - From: Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 9:20 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-yang-alto-multi-domain-03.txt To: Y. Richard Yang , Annie Gu , Danny Lachos , Ingmar Poese , Jordi Ros Giralt

Re: [alto] Topic B - maintenance of ALTO protocol // RE: June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

2023-07-09 Thread Y. Richard Yang
> > > > Best regards > > > > Luis > > > > *De:* Qin Wu > *Enviado el:* jueves, 6 de julio de 2023 4:18 > *Para:* Danny Lachos ; LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO < > luismiguel.contrerasmuri...@telefonica.com>; Y. Richard Yang < > y...@cs.yale.edu>;

Re: [alto] Topic B - maintenance of ALTO protocol // RE: June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

2023-07-09 Thread Y. Richard Yang
aracterizing the cost map. I think this can be an interesting work to be > discussed by the WG in future work. > > > > Best regards > > > > Luis > > > > *De:* Qin Wu > *Enviado el:* jueves, 6 de julio de 2023 4:52 > *Para:* Y. Richard Yang ; LUIS MIGUEL CONT

Re: [alto] Topic B - maintenance of ALTO protocol // RE: June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

2023-06-27 Thread Y. Richard Yang
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 8:33 AM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Hi Luis, > > Thank you so much for starting this thread on Topic B. I feel that this is > a crucial topic for the WG to investigate. Please see below. > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 5:18 PM LUIS MIGUEL

Re: [alto] Topic B - maintenance of ALTO protocol // RE: June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

2023-06-27 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Luis, On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 8:43 AM LUIS MIGUEL CONTRERAS MURILLO < luismiguel.contrerasmuri...@telefonica.com> wrote: > Hi Richard, > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > Just a small comment on security. Certainly we are addressing two > dimensions in ALTO regarding security, at least

Re: [alto] Topic B - maintenance of ALTO protocol // RE: June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

2023-06-27 Thread Y. Richard Yang
s respect? > > > > Of course for those interested on the topics above, please comment. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Best regards > > > > Luis > > > > *De:* alto *En nombre de * Y. Richard Yang > *Enviado el:* miércoles, 21 d

Re: [alto] June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

2023-06-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
UFxUY/edit?usp=sharing > > Thanks, > Jordi > ---------- > *From:* alto on behalf of Y. Richard Yang < > y...@cs.yale.edu> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 21, 2023 1:47 > *To:* IETF ALTO > *Subject:* [alto] June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working > links > >

[alto] June 20, 2023 meeting minutes and discussion working links

2023-06-20 Thread Y. Richard Yang
to focus; real good way to make progress is internet-draft (ID) as ground truth, from dynamic to stable, with focus on writing drafts for concrete results). -- -- ========= | Y. Richard Yang| | Professor of Computer Science | | htt

[alto] draft-ietf-alto-oam-yang review (Part 1)

2023-05-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Jensen, all, Thank you for authoring the OAM document. It clearly is a massive effort on an important task that helps with ALTO development. In the first part of this review, I will focus on early text and structure. I will review the yang model details soon. High-level structure: My

Re: [alto] Discussion on the future of ALTO WG

2023-03-23 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Sabine, On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 8:58 AM Sabine Randriamasy (Nokia) < sabine.randriam...@nokia-bell-labs.com> wrote: > Hi Med, Qin and ALTO WG > > > > Thanks a lot for initiating this discussion and your options proposal. > > >

[alto] ALTO deployment wiki page updates

2023-03-22 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, Some of us have made additional updates to the ALTO deployment wiki: https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/ALTO/deployment Any feedback and suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks, Richard ___ alto mailing list alto@ietf.org

Re: [alto] Discussion on the future of ALTO WG

2023-03-22 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Med, Qin, Thank you for initiating the discussion of this important topic. At a high level, my understanding of the proposed decision-making methodology is the following: let's have an assessment (it is called rational in the email and I will use the same term) of the current state and

[alto] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-yang-alto-multi-domain-01.txt

2023-03-13 Thread Y. Richard Yang
, Mar 13, 2023 at 6:44 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-yang-alto-multi-domain-01.txt To: Y. Richard Yang , Mario Lassnig A new version of I-D, draft-yang-alto-multi-domain-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Y. Richard Yang and posted to the IETF repository. Name

[alto] Multi-domain use case discussion

2023-02-27 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi All, With the interim meeting behind us, I was suggested to start the discussion of the multi-domain use case, which is a use case driven by a real setting. Details: A motivation use case of multi-domain ALTO is the LHCONE setting, which is an L3VPN consisting of multiple networks [1]. Given

Re: [alto] IPR Poll: draft-ietf-alto-new-transport

2023-02-27 Thread Y. Richard Yang
be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been > modified, changed or falsified. > > Thank you. > > ___ > alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > -- -- ===

[alto] New transport structural discussion thread

2023-02-19 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi WG, Adrian, Qin, Jordi, all, Thank you so much for the wonderful reviews of the new alto transport design. Roland, Lachlan, Kai and I are taking a final pass and will go over it on Thursday during the interim meeting. One key issue that we want to discuss, in this specific thread, is a

[alto] ALTO/TCN presentation at Rucio Community Workshop at the same time w/ ALTO session

2022-11-10 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, It turns out that the ALTO session is at the same time as the Rucio session when we (Mario/Mihai/Jordi/Harvey/Kai) will present the ALTO/TCN update ( https://indico.cern.ch/event/1185600/timetable/#20221110.detailed). For those who are not familiar with Rucio/FTS, they are the main data

Re: [alto] IETF 115 ALTO Side Meeting

2022-11-08 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Looks like that webex meeting does not work? Richard On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 9:11 AM Jordi Ros Giralt wrote: > Let's meet at the Ground floor of the hotel's West Wing. We will find a > place to talk. (The two only available rooms for side meetings are booked). > > For online attendees, let's

Re: [alto] IETF 115 ALTO Side Meeting

2022-11-08 Thread Y. Richard Yang
90fe06a-f028-4de4-b117-379d0c4badb5=98e9ba89-e1a1-4e38-9007-8bdabc25de1d=19_meeting_ZDUyZmNmYWUtNzdmMi00YTRhLTg4M2ItZTQ1NDBkMDNmMTM2@thread.v2=0=en-US> > > > _______ > alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.iet

Re: [alto] IETF ALTO Hackdemos at 6pm today (Happy Hour)

2022-11-07 Thread Y. Richard Yang
t; > Come by to our table and we look forward to chatting with you. > > Jordi > ___ > alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > -- -- = | Y. Richar

[alto] openalto.org updates

2022-10-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, Sorry to spam the list with one more work-in-progress update email. But since it is an important, chartered task of the WG, we would like to hear your feedback and invite more to be involved to work together. The openalto.org team has two main objectives: (1) design and implement a

Re: [alto] I-D Action: draft-ietf-alto-new-transport-02.txt

2022-10-20 Thread Y. Richard Yang
ctures > Authors : Roland Schott > Y. Richard Yang > Kai Gao > Jingxuan Jensen Zhang > Filename: draft-ietf-alto-new-transport-02.txt > Pages : 22 > Date

[alto] LHCONE deep visibility deployment using ALTO

2022-09-27 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi WG, Sorry for the spam. Deployment is another topic which we will discuss in the coming weekly meeting. Below is a quick email update to save update time so that we can focus on discussions at the meeting. There were 3 meetings yesterday to push the effort forward: an early meeting with

[alto] Http/2/3 version independent transport finalization

2022-09-27 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi WG, Updating transport mechanisms is an WG item and we are getting close to the milestone (in September). Hence, the authors are finalizing the updates as soon they can, and the topic will be a main item for the coming weekly meeting. It was suggested that we send out some main points for

Re: [alto] RFC 9275 on An Extension for Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO): Path Vector

2022-09-23 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Qin, all, This is a good progress indeed. I share with you that many WG members including both the authors and many others have made contributions in the process. A big thank you! Richard On Fri, Sep 23, 2022 at 9:13 PM Qin Wu wrote: > Congratulation to all authors and other people who

Re: [alto] ALTO service query spanning multiple domains (ECS)

2022-09-13 Thread Y. Richard Yang
ard On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:50 PM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Hi all, > > During the weekly meeting last week, we went over the details when > deploying ALTO in a multi-domain setting, say the FTS/Rucio setting > supporting the TCN deployment [1]. Below is the endpoint cost se

[alto] open alto development update

2022-09-12 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, Sorry to spam the mailing list with a second email message. During the weekly meeting last week, we also discussed about the progress and planning for the testing and deployment of TCN, which uses alto and is based on our past progress. It was suggested that we post the planning (in

[alto] ALTO service query spanning multiple domains (ECS)

2022-09-12 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, During the weekly meeting last week, we went over the details when deploying ALTO in a multi-domain setting, say the FTS/Rucio setting supporting the TCN deployment [1]. Below is the endpoint cost service (ECS) case, and it was suggested that we post it to the WG mailing list to update

[alto] Skip ALTO weekly meeting this week (Aug. 23); SIGCOMM NAI on Monday (Aug. 22)

2022-08-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, Since many of us are away this week, may I suggest that we cancel the WG weekly meeting this Tuesday (Aug. 23)? As a small advertisement for Luis, the SIGCOMM network-application integration (NAI'22) workshop chaired by Lui is tomorrow (Aug. 22, 2022). It has an extremely interesting

Re: [alto] Presenting ALTO-related work at MOPS WG on Friday

2022-07-29 Thread Y. Richard Yang
I was at the presentations by Luis. Excellent presentation and great Q! We should share the questions and answers back to this mailing list. Richard On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:52 AM wrote: > Hi all, > > > > The slides that are presented by Luis can be seen at: >

Re: [alto] Dinner IETF ALTO team - IETF 114 Philadelphia

2022-07-25 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Thanks for the update, Jordi. So we just meet at Maggiano's Little Italy at 7:30. For some of you who want to stop by to see the hackathon demo, Mahdi and some others will be at the Hackathon Happy Hour from 5:30-6:30 pm. Feel free to stop by as well. Richard On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 4:39 AM

Re: [alto] IETF 114 ALTO Hackathon projects

2022-07-25 Thread Y. Richard Yang
ALTO, FTS would find whether it may increase or should > decrease traffic involving that RSE > > This maps directly to what we see in production: FTS can hit some sites > too hard. > Any extra knowledge FTS gets on this aspect would allow it to improve. > > Best Regards, > M

Re: [alto] alto transport streams (Re: early reviews)

2022-07-24 Thread Y. Richard Yang
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022, 23:00 Mark Nottingham wrote: > >> Hi Richard, >> >> I'm just going to give some impressions while reading this, FWIW. >> >> > On 22 Jul 2022, at 6:20 am, Y. Richard Yang wrote: >> > >> > Hi Mark, Martin, Spencer, >&g

Re: [alto] alto transport streams (Re: early reviews)

2022-07-24 Thread Y. Richard Yang
022, at 6:20 am, Y. Richard Yang wrote: > > > > Hi Mark, Martin, Spencer, > > > > First, thank you so much for the reviews. Sorry for the delay in > responding asap, due to summer and travel. > > > > One common comment we see from all three of you, in different te

Re: [alto] HTTP Review (draft-ietf-alto-new-transport)

2022-07-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Mark, Thank you so much for the feedback. Could you please see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/alto/CBRGLTekers9PXQ5EE2MtMywMgE/ for an attempt to formulate a generic problem. As soon as we have a discussion on the generic issue, we will update the document accordingly, for example, to

Re: [alto] Fwd: HTTP Review (draft-ietf-alto-new-transport)

2022-07-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Martin, Sorry that I did not include you in the previous email--auto completion of email address included a different Martin :-( My apologies. Please kindly see this message: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/alto/CBRGLTekers9PXQ5EE2MtMywMgE/ Please see below for more comments. On Mon,

[alto] alto transport streams (Re: early reviews)

2022-07-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Mark, Martin, Spencer, First, thank you so much for the reviews. Sorry for the delay in responding asap, due to summer and travel. One common comment we see from all three of you, in different texts, is essentially on the service model of the current document (

Re: [alto] Cellular information exposure discussion (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-huang-alto-mowie-for-network-aware-app-04.txt

2022-07-20 Thread Y. Richard Yang
something to discuss with. > Yes. See above. Let’s write the draft soon. Richard > > A preprint of the W2 paper is available at > https://zilimeng.com/papers/zhuge-sigcomm22.pdf for your information. > We'll also be highly appreciated if there are any comments or feedback.

Re: [alto] IETF 114 ALTO Hackathon projects

2022-07-19 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, During the weekly ALTO meeting today, we discussed the coming hackathon and Qin suggested that we send an update to the mailing list on the FTS+ALTO project, and here is the update: - In short, if you want to work on ALTO integration with production, open projects, this can be a

Re: [alto] Cellular information exposure discussion (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-huang-alto-mowie-for-network-aware-app-04.txt

2022-07-19 Thread Y. Richard Yang
his information. > > > > Just out of curiosity, are the proposed extensions currently discussed in > the 3GPP? > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > *De :* alto *De la part de* Y. Richard Yang > *Envoyé :* mardi 19 juillet 2022 20:14 > *À :* IETF ALTO >

[alto] Cellular information exposure discussion (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-huang-alto-mowie-for-network-aware-app-04.txt

2022-07-19 Thread Y. Richard Yang
on behalf of Tuesday meeting team -- Forwarded message - From: Date: Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 2:14 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-huang-alto-mowie-for-network-aware-app-04.txt To: Y. Richard Yang , Gang Li < ligan...@chinamobile.com>, Sabine Randr

[alto] ALTO new transport discussion: Stream assignment

2022-07-05 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi ALToers, and experts on HTTP/2, As we make progress on the transport document ( https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-alto-new-transport/), we have one issue to discuss: stream management to take advantage of this HTTP/2 feature. Can we kindly ask that members read Section 8 of the

[alto] ALTO meeting with PBE-CC team

2022-05-30 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi ALTO group, We will meet with the PBE-CC team (Kyle Jamieson, Jen Rexford, and Yaxiong Xie, all from Princeton) tomorrow at 9:00 AM US ET to discuss the possibility of exposing more network information for applications. The direct relevant paper is: https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.03475 Another

[alto] ALTO presentation at WLCG DOMA on April 27, 2022

2022-04-25 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, Some of us will make a presentation on ALTO at the DOMA (Data Organization, Management and Access) Group of WCLG (World-Wide LHC Computing Grid) on Wednesday. The goal is to further (1) drive the implementation of openalto and (2) integrate ALTO into Rucio and FDS. Anyone with an interest

Re: [alto] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-26: (with COMMENT)

2022-03-04 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Éric, Thank you so much for the update. For the comment on IPv4: we had some discussions on how to address it. In earlier documents, we used a mix of IPv4 and IPv6 addresses (e.g., an earlier version of RFC7285 used a mix of ipv4 and ipv6 in examples such as

Re: [alto] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-03-02 Thread Y. Richard Yang
l2=draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-26.txt > > *发件人:* Zaheduzzaman Sarker [mailto:zaheduzzaman.sar...@ericsson.com] > *发送时间:* 2022年3月2日 18:30 > *收件人:* Y. Richard Yang > *抄送:* Qin Wu ; The IESG < > i...@ietf.org>; alto-cha...@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-alto-performance-metr

[alto] ALTO transport discussion thread

2022-02-28 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi ALTOers, Several of us (Roland, Kai, me) are working on ALTO transport, and our plan is to update a relatively complete version by the draft deadline of March 7 (one week from today). Here is a brief summary of current design points: - It will be RESTful, as the current design - It will

Re: [alto] Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-19: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-02-28 Thread Y. Richard Yang
2021 at 9:55 AM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Hi Eric, Martin, all, > > The authors agree that 8312bis should be a normative reference, and it is > in -v22, which we will upload soon. > > Thanks, > Richard > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 8:52 AM Qin Wu 40huawei@dmarc.ietf

Re: [alto] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-02-28 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Zaheduzzaman, We have posted the latest version of the document: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-24 Could you please take a look to see if all of your comments are addressed? In particular, - We checked and made sure that the normative references are

Re: [alto] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-21: (with DISCUSS)

2022-02-28 Thread Y. Richard Yang
lable"}, > "endpoints": { > "srcs": [ "ipv4 : 192.0.2.2" ], > "dsts": [ >"ipv4:192.0.2.89", >"ipv4:198.51.100.34" > ] > } >} > > FP: JSON doe

Re: [alto] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-21: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-02-28 Thread Y. Richard Yang
in Kaduk wrote: > Hi Richard, > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 08:13:02PM -0500, Y. Richard Yang wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > > > Thank you so much for the wonderful, fast, thorough reviews! I understand > > that Qin has already sent a reply and please see below. > > Ye

Re: [alto] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-19: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-02-28 Thread Y. Richard Yang
, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:27 PM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Hi Lars, > > Just posted an updated version, and a diff from the previous version is > available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20 > > Thanks! > Richard > > On Tue, Nov

Re: [alto] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-21: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-12-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Ben, Thank you so much for the wonderful, fast, thorough reviews! I understand that Qin has already sent a reply and please see below. On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 7:58 PM Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for >

Re: [alto] Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-19: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-12-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
> -- Section 4.1 -- > Is the intent of ALTO to only work for TCP and not for other transport > protocols ? I.e., is QUIC out of scope ? > > -- Section 4.2.3 -- > Where are those 'tunnels

Re: [alto] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-12-17 Thread Y. Richard Yang
; > Ben > > On Mon, Dec 06, 2021 at 01:25:20PM +, Qin Wu wrote: > > Hi, Ben: > > -邮件原件- > > 发件人: alto [mailto:alto-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Benjamin Kaduk > > 发送时间: 2021年12月4日 6:30 > > 收件人: Qin Wu > > 抄送: draft-ietf-alto-performance-metr...@ietf.

Re: [alto] New chair!

2021-12-07 Thread Y. Richard Yang
his communication in error and then delete >> it. >> >> Esta mensagem e seus anexos se dirigem exclusivamente ao seu >> destinatário, pode conter informação privilegiada ou confidencial e é para >> uso exclusivo da pessoa ou entidade de destino. Se

Re: [alto] IESG evaluation results

2021-12-03 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Martin, Add the WG, so that we can hear others' comments as well. Please see below for a small addition. On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 1:46 PM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Martin, > > Thanks a lot for the update! A quick reply on performance metrics. > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 1:22

Re: [alto] Francesca Palombini's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20: (with DISCUSS)

2021-12-01 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Francesca, Thank you so much for the review! Please see inline. On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 4:57 PM Francesca Palombini via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Francesca Palombini has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20: Discuss > > When

Re: [alto] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-19: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-11-30 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Lars, Just posted an updated version, and a diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-20 Thanks! Richard On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:49 PM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Hi Lars, > > Thanks for the review! Please

Re: [alto] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-19: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-11-30 Thread Y. Richard Yang
tion > (apart fr > > > The usual collocation for "independent" is "of", not "from". Did you mean > "independent of"? > > Section 3.4.3. , paragraph 6, nit: > > imation

Re: [alto] CERN?

2021-11-17 Thread Y. Richard Yang
> some promotional material for IETF, and it would be a good testimonial. > > Thanks, > Martin > ___ > alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > -- -- ==========

Re: [alto] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-17

2021-10-23 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Christian, We made two changes to address your comments. Please see below. > > > > * Allowing decimals into the cost metric identifier introduces a dot > which > > > is reserved as per RFC7285 Section 10.6. > > > > Yes. Correct. From the grammar above, we made sure that we would not > >

Re: [alto] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-17

2021-10-21 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Christian, On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 2:54 AM Christian Amsüss wrote: > Hello Richard, > > On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 03:43:50PM -0400, Y. Richard Yang wrote: > > Good comment. The document gives the high-level grammar (1 line) at the > > beginning of Sec. 2.2. > > It

Re: [alto] Meeting Info for Oct 19, 2021

2021-10-18 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Dear all, It looks that we have some confusion or we have scheduled two meetings, first 9-10 (this one), and then 10-11 (G2). Richard On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 9:49 PM wrote: > Dear all, > > > This is a friendly reminder that we will have the weekly ALTO meeting* on > 9:00 am US EST (3:00 pm

Re: [alto] [art] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-17

2021-10-18 Thread Y. Richard Yang
> alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > -- -- = | Y. Richard Yang| | Professor of Computer Science | | http://www.cs.yale.edu/~yry/| = ___ alto mailing list alto@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto

Re: [alto] Artart last call review of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-17

2021-10-18 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Christian, Thank you so much for the review. Please see below. On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:02 AM Christian Amsüss via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Reviewer: Christian Amsüss > Review result: Ready with Issues > > ## Summary for the IoT Directorate > > This document extends the

[alto] ALTO Oct. 19 Weekly Meeting on G2 (Note a different time: 10:00 AM ET instead of 9 AM)

2021-10-18 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Dear ALTOers, The weekly meeting tomorrow Oct. 19, 2021 is one hour later than the traditional time. The goal of the meeting is to discuss collaboration between ALTO and G2. Time: Oct. 19 from 10-11 AM US ET Format: Hybrid (G2 team + Richard) at Yale campus + Zoom (

Re: [alto] Meeting Info for Oct 5, 2021

2021-10-04 Thread Y. Richard Yang
_____ > alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > -- -- = | Y. Richard Yang| | Professor of Computer Science | | http://www.cs.yale.edu/~yry/| = ___ alto mailing list alto@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto

Re: [alto] charter-ietf-alto-04-01

2021-08-24 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Lars, I saw your comment and have to chime in. I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment: "Overall, I remain unconvinced that there is sufficient work/interest in this space to warrant a chartered WG." I am not sure if you attended the NAI@SIGCOMM'21 Workshop yesterday. There was

[alto] NAI@SIGCOMM'21 (Monday, Aug. 23)

2021-08-22 Thread Y. Richard Yang
://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2021/workshop-nai.html We look forward to seeing many of you. Richard -- -- = | Y. Richard Yang| | Professor of Computer Science | | http://www.cs.yale.edu/~yry

[alto] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-16.txt

2021-07-11 Thread Y. Richard Yang
TO Performance Cost Metrics Authors : Qin Wu Y. Richard Yang Young Lee Dhruv Dhody Sabine Randriamasy Luis Miguel Contreras Filename: d

Re: [alto] AD review of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-15

2021-04-08 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Martin, Thanks for the quick feedback. Please see below. On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:03 AM Martin Duke wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Where needed, responses inline. > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 6:18 PM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > >> - Sec 2.1. The cost-source mod

Re: [alto] AD review of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-15

2021-04-02 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Martin, On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:24 PM Martin Duke wrote: > Sorry for the fragmented review, but there are a couple of more issues: > > - The authors should do a review of all lower-case occurrences of must, > should, may, and recommended. At least a few of them should be capitalized > to

Re: [alto] AD review of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-15

2021-04-02 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Martin, Thank you so much for the wonderful review. Please see below. On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:35 PM Martin Duke wrote: > Hello authors, > > Thank you very much for writing this draft. It is clearly a useful > extension to ALTO and is quite clearly written, even to someone who is not > a

Re: [alto] ALTO Draft ReCharter WG review - extensible set of policy attributes

2021-03-11 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Sabine, Qin, Good discussions. I support the use cases of the design direction. One suggestion is to look at the design in a slightly abstract, general framework. In particular, the abstract framework looks like this to me: - Ve: A set of "volatile" (ephemeral) variables; Ve tends to be

Re: [alto] qoRE: Pub/sub thread; Was Re: ALTO Draft ReCharter WG review(Internet mail)

2021-03-11 Thread Y. Richard Yang
e network (ALTO) server can provide highly valuable information, but the client may not obtain it easily (due to more limited state access, limited computation power, the latency involved, ...) Now back to your two use cases, I see that they can be supported using a single mechanism (i.e., language gramma

Re: [alto] Bringing operation automation cases to the list

2021-03-10 Thread Y. Richard Yang
ossa senhoria o destinatário > indicado, fica notificado de que a leitura, utilização, divulgação e/ou > cópia sem autorização pode estar proibida em virtude da legislação vigente. > Se recebeu esta mensagem por erro, rogamos-lhe que nos o comunique > imediatamente por esta

[alto] Pub/sub thread; Was Re: ALTO Draft ReCharter WG review

2021-03-09 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Dear all, I renamed the generic email Subject line so that we may focus this thread on item 2. Here are two quick comments related with this thread, and I will go to more details as soon as I can. 1. ALTO SSE appears to be a quite useful service and it helps to adapt it to use more modern

Re: [alto] ALTO Draft ReCharter WG review

2021-03-09 Thread Y. Richard Yang
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[alto] SIGCOMM'21 NAI Workshop

2021-03-08 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Dear all, FYI: Our proposal for the second ACM SIGCOMM NAI Workshop during ACM SIGCOMM'21 has been accepted. Please do consider submission to this highly relevant venue. Call for Submissions: ACM SIGCOMM NAI’21 The Second ACM SIGCOMM Workshop on Network-Application Integration/CoDesign

Re: [alto] ALTO Draft ReCharter WG review

2021-03-01 Thread Y. Richard Yang
- Is the distribution of the information allowed by the operator of the > network? Does the exposure of the information introduce privacy and > information leakage concerns? > > > > Issues related to the specific content exchanged in systems that make use &g

Re: [alto] I-D Action: draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-15.txt

2021-02-04 Thread Y. Richard Yang
the IETF. > > Title : ALTO Performance Cost Metrics > Authors : Qin Wu > Y. Richard Yang > Young Lee > Dhruv Dhody > Sabine Randriamasy

Re: [alto] Review for draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-12

2021-01-13 Thread Y. Richard Yang
therefore the > metric identifier can be used without as suffix. > > I think your proposed change makes sense to me. > > > > -Qin > > *发件人:* Jensen Zhang [mailto:jingxuan.n.zh...@gmail.com] > *发送时间:* 2021年1月12日 15:36 > *收件人:* Qin Wu > *抄送:* IETF ALTO ; Y. Richard Yang ; K

Re: [alto] Normative References in draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics-12

2021-01-13 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Jan, Qin, Please see below. On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:43 AM Qin Wu wrote: > Hi, Jan and authors of draft-ietf-alto-performance-metrics: > -邮件原件- > 发件人: alto [mailto:alto-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Jan Seedorf > 发送时间: 2020年11月12日 6:32 > 收件人: alto@ietf.org > 主题: [alto] Normative References

Re: [alto] Meeting Info for Jan 12, 2021

2021-01-13 Thread Y. Richard Yang
> “metric value” and “metric’s value” > > Are used inconsistently, I suggest to change metric’s value into metric > value. > > I hope these comments can be addressed before being moved forward. > > > > -Qin > > *发件人:* alto [mailto:alto-boun...@ietf.org] *代表 *Y. R

Re: [alto] Meeting Info for Jan 12, 2021

2021-01-11 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi all, I have to skip the meeting this morning. One quick update is on the first agenda item: an updated version of performance metrics is just posted and we believe that it has addressed all of the review comments by Danny and Jensen. Richard On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:36 AM wrote: > Dear

Re: [alto] 109 recharter working Google doc

2020-11-29 Thread Y. Richard Yang
any networks. > 3. is there any ALTO protocol extension? E.g., network map > extension, Cost map extension, or property map extension? > > > Not sure I fully understand the question. Some generic extensions (e.g., the one by Sabine) will extend cost map and property map. Is t

[alto] Recharter discussion paragraphs link

2020-11-18 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Dear ALTOers, The chairs suggested that we collect all of the paragraphs into a single document, and hence we have created the shared document for our use today: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O0x_AaegY9RU9bAVjm9wfWlel-vjOVFlIi9stmz9VXw/edit?usp=sharing The document will be a live document

Re: [alto] Meeting info for Nov 17, 2020

2020-11-16 Thread Y. Richard Yang
at > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/alto/9CAIL0hEW4cy90iVeOJn_gYO84o/ > > we miss item 2 and 3. > > > > -Qin > > *发件人:* alto [mailto:alto-boun...@ietf.org] *代表 *Y. Richard Yang > *发送时间:* 2020年11月17日 11:02 > *收件人:* Kai Gao > *抄送:* alto-weekly-meet...@goog

Re: [alto] Meeting info for Nov 17, 2020

2020-11-16 Thread Y. Richard Yang
> alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > -- -- = | Y. Richard Yang| | Professor of Computer Science | | http://www.cs.yale.edu/~yry/| = ___ alto mailing list alto@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto

Re: [alto] ALTO recharter: proposed item - General ALTO protocol extensions

2020-11-16 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Sabine, Thanks a lot for the paragraph describing a potential recharter item. I have three quick comments, according to my understanding: - [C1] The extension will focus on "additional" information such as conditions/context on entities (e.g., extend unified properties) and path costs (e.g.,

Re: [alto] ALTO recharter update: ALTO services in multi-domain settings

2020-11-16 Thread Y. Richard Yang
and then during the meeting later this week. Any comments are highly welcome. Richard On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 7:10 PM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Dear ALTOers, > > Please see attached an updated version of the slides intended to > contribute to the multidomain item. The slides are team

Re: [alto] ALTO recharter update: ALTO services in multi-domain settings

2020-11-12 Thread Y. Richard Yang
the initial design to make clear the problem and feasibility. Thanks! Richard On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 4:12 PM Y. Richard Yang wrote: > Dear ALTOers, > > One item which we discussed this morning during our weekly meeting is ALTO > extension to multi-domain settings. Please

Re: [alto] Any implementations of unified-props, alto-cdni, path-vector

2020-11-12 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Vijay, - I believe that there was an implementation of unified properties by Wendy Roome. But it is for an earlier version, not the latest one which we just posted. - I understand that there was an implementation of path vector used in super computing demonstration; but it was for an earlier

Re: [alto] Welcome Qin Wu

2020-11-10 Thread Y. Richard Yang
ove on to other > things. > > See you next week, > Martin > ___ > alto mailing list > alto@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto > -- -- = | Y. Richard Yang| | Professor o

[alto] ALTO recharter update: ALTO services in multi-domain settings

2020-11-10 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Dear ALTOers, One item which we discussed this morning during our weekly meeting is ALTO extension to multi-domain settings. Please see attached for the deck of slides that we used. At a high level, it tried to extend ALTO into a multi-domain setting for one of the most basic ALTO services ---

Re: [alto] IMPORTANT: Suggestions for IETF 109 ALTO meeting

2020-11-05 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Hi Vijay, Jan, Wonderful suggestion and organization! As a regular attendee of the Wed (lately it changed to Tuesday as well) meetings, I agree that the meetings members should focus on making progress on the charter text and . We will send more updates soon. Thanks again! Richard On Thu, Nov

[alto] ALTO multidomain extension

2020-11-04 Thread Y. Richard Yang
Dear ALTOers, During the weekly meeting yesterday, one issue discussed is an extension of ALTO to multidomains. This is a relevant issue and investigated by Ingmar, Sebastian, Kai and Qiao. Below is a proposal to get the WG feedback. Problem: Consider a basic ALTO service say the endpoint-cost

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