[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
I can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere, so if someone could take a crack at it or point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it. I have the Google Ion (the phone handed out at the Google IO Developer's Conference), but I have no idea how to upgrade the OS to 1.6. The HTC support website has some information on how to do it and the necessary files, but the instructions are way above my head (I don't know where to input a command line, how to bootload, or anything). I got this as a gift and really want to upgrade it to 1.6 so any help would be appreciated. Anybody have time this weekend to provide an Android for Dummies type of explanation? Thanks! ~Gene On Sep 17, 6:02 pm, brucko geoff.bruck...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be the first to admit that I am a bit of a novice in the android arena. What I would like to bring to your attention is that there may well be very good reasons as to why some pre-installed apps can be hard to change. I'm trying to import some devices into Australia, many of our regulations are based on the US and Europe. If you change some of the key software on a phone you may very well make it illegal to use that phone. One key example would be the requirement we have to be able to dial emergency numbers even when the screen is locked. Someones life may depend on this functionality being intact. I have no idea what the legal ramifications would be of making software available that did not maintain this ability. However selling, giving or even loaning phones with emergency dialing no longer enabled would certainly be an offense. ( Not saying you shouldn't replace these apps - just be careful) ...brucko On Aug 29, 3:53 am, Chris Stratton cs07...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 9:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? Just to expand on what others have said: Cost seems comparable betwen a dev phone and a retail phone at full retail or plan price + termination fee, so it's really more a of a technical question. Reasons for a dev phone -sim unlocked (some such as tmobile may? do that if you pay full retail or eventually on a plan) -can change linux and system libraries -can change pre-installed applications -tmobile myfaves application sends periodic sms which costs money on any other network Reasons for _not_ getting a dev phone -only one older dev phone model generally available at present -dev phones can't buy paid applications from the market (including your own) -if you sell apps, you need to restrict yourself to the capabilities of your users phones (and test on such adevice!) -various preinstalled proprietary applications missing (+/- depending on your interest) The not being able to change preinstalled applications is in my mind the least anticipated, and most annoying, problem. There are many areas where very small decisions of questionable wisdom in default applications really hamper the user experience (even in the using it just to make calls sense), but these can't be very readily changed on a retail phone, particularly the parts most closely involved in the telephone functionality. As of this moment, I believe most of the retail phones are probably still shipping with an easily rooted linux kernel, but that probably will get closed up (already fixed in google's tree) and they will be limited until another hole is found. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Thanks Mark, First google seems to ran out of stock for dev phone, and if I recall the site instruction does not quite explain - rooting or whatever needed, third for some of us are already buried down to bargain basement so ebay or other sites seems to be logical alternatives :) Is there any pointer for rooting technique? What does it mean? --- I know how to get going with openmoko, but for unlocked commercial phone I would love to hack a bit, so that I can build the kernel and infrastructure and flush it, so any link to any rooting technique. For the emulator, then there must be a way to tell the canvas sizes ( i.e 360x480 or something )??? -pro On Sep 17, 3:00 am, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: pro wrote: I'm also very new to Android. And I would like to have the following - 1) I want to add and / or del any apps I want to - For this just any phone would do it? Or I need an unlocked one? All existing Android devices allow you to install third party applications and remove those third party applications. 2) I would also like to craft part of OS and / or base framework - For this, Is it enough to have an unlocked phone ? I'm getting a T mobile G1 unlocked, is it fine for (2)? You can either get an actual developer phone (ADP1 or Google Ion) that allows for firmware flashing, or you can get a consumer phone and use the various rooting techniques. 3) I think the emulator should allow us to test out various form factors, since it might not be possible to buy and test all available phones out there... It does, for the form factors that are officially supported by Android. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy)http://commonsware.com|http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need help for your Android OSS project?http://wiki.andmob.org/hado --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
On Sep 16, 1:31 pm, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: I have seen no evidence that HTC makes firmware upgrades available directly. They always handle that through whoever distributed the device (e.g., T-Mobile for the T-Mobile myTouch3G version of the Magic). So, if you got your device from your carrier, I would expect the carrier will say when and how to upgrade it, assuming they support such an upgrade. Erm.. Normally you definitely know what you're talking about, but in this case, I'll have to say you really don't. Sorry. :) HTC released an update to the Hero firmware less than a week ago. It's not the 1.6 release, obviously, but it -does- goes to show that they - do- make upgrades, instead of relying on the carriers to do that. Proof would be here.. Europe: http://www.htc.com/europe/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=671news_id=254 Nordic: http://www.htc.com/dk/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=671news_id=254 From what I can see there's no such upgrade for the Hero in the US... I dunno, maybe the carriers have made different rules for their phones? After all, they -did- give the HTC Hero a silly name. ;) Btw, love your books! ^^ - Tristan Bendixen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Thank you very much. That covers my questions. -pro On Sep 17, 5:55 am, Jeffrey Blattman jeffrey.blatt...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/16/09 8:32 PM, pro wrote: I'm also very new to Android. And I would like to have the following - 1) I want to add and / or del any apps I want to - For this just any phone would do it? Or I need an unlocked one? unlocked means it is not tied to a particular provider, so that is irrelevant to the question. you can normally add / remove any apps you want on a standard android phone. i've heard that if your phone is rooted (google if you don't know what that means), then you can only add non-copy protected apps. my phone is rooted and i've never found an app that won't install, so i'm not sure if this not true anymore or if no one chooses to copy protect their apps. 2) I would also like to craft part of OS and / or base framework - For this, Is it enough to have an unlocked phone ? I'm getting a T mobile G1 unlocked, is it fine for (2)? you need a rooted phone to patch / install a new OS. yes, the G1 from t-mobile is fine. you'll need to go through the rooting process. 3) I think the emulator should allow us to test out various form factors, since it might not be possible to buy and test all available phones out there... http://www.android.encke.net/ -pro -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
AngelOD wrote: On Sep 16, 1:31 pm, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: I have seen no evidence that HTC makes firmware upgrades available directly. They always handle that through whoever distributed the device (e.g., T-Mobile for the T-Mobile myTouch3G version of the Magic). So, if you got your device from your carrier, I would expect the carrier will say when and how to upgrade it, assuming they support such an upgrade. Erm.. Normally you definitely know what you're talking about, but in this case, I'll have to say you really don't. Sorry. :) HTC released an update to the Hero firmware less than a week ago. It's not the 1.6 release, obviously, but it -does- goes to show that they - do- make upgrades, instead of relying on the carriers to do that. Proof would be here.. Europe: http://www.htc.com/europe/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=671news_id=254 Nordic: http://www.htc.com/dk/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=671news_id=254 IIRC, this thread originated with inquiring about upgrading Android versions, and I see no upgrades on HTC's site that would do that. For example, AFAIK, the HTC Dream was sold in Europe before Android 1.5 shipped, but the only download for it is an HTC Sync Upgrade, which does not sound like Android 1.5. So, you are correct that I made a broader-than-necessary claim in the above-quoted passage. I apologize to anyone I confused. If you can find evidence that HTC ships ROM upgrades that include Android version upgrades (e.g., 1.5), let me know! From what I can see there's no such upgrade for the Hero in the US... I dunno, maybe the carriers have made different rules for their phones? I suspect that is the case. US mobile carriers, at least, seem to play by different rules than European carriers, for better and for worse. Btw, love your books! ^^ Thanks! -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Android Development Wiki: http://wiki.andmob.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
On Sep 17, 8:55 am, Jeffrey Blattman jeffrey.blatt...@gmail.com wrote: unlocked means it is not tied to a particular provider, so that is irrelevant to the question. you can normally add / remove any apps you want on a standard android phone. I don't think you will be able to remove the applications that ship with the phone unless you build and flash new system images, and for that you will need root or a bootloader that lets you flash unsigned firmware. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
2009/9/16 Rafa Perfeito rafa.perfe...@gmail.com No T-Mobile for me. TMN from Portugal...But that means that the carrier itself enables the update? On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.comwrote: Rafa Perfeito wrote: I have an HTC Magic from a carrier. Can i update to 1.6? How? Through the carrier? T-Mobile has not yet announced plans for Android 1.6 for any of their devices. At some point, in all likelihood, they will make such an announcement. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need Android talent? Ask on HADO! http://wiki.andmob.org/hado -- Cumprimentos, Hugo Rafael Augusto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
I'll be the first to admit that I am a bit of a novice in the android arena. What I would like to bring to your attention is that there may well be very good reasons as to why some pre-installed apps can be hard to change. I'm trying to import some devices into Australia, many of our regulations are based on the US and Europe. If you change some of the key software on a phone you may very well make it illegal to use that phone. One key example would be the requirement we have to be able to dial emergency numbers even when the screen is locked. Someones life may depend on this functionality being intact. I have no idea what the legal ramifications would be of making software available that did not maintain this ability. However selling, giving or even loaning phones with emergency dialing no longer enabled would certainly be an offense. ( Not saying you shouldn't replace these apps - just be careful) ...brucko On Aug 29, 3:53 am, Chris Stratton cs07...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 9:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? Just to expand on what others have said: Cost seems comparable betwen a dev phone and a retail phone at full retail or plan price + termination fee, so it's really more a of a technical question. Reasons for a dev phone -sim unlocked (some such as tmobile may? do that if you pay full retail or eventually on a plan) -can change linux and system libraries -can change pre-installed applications -tmobile myfaves application sends periodic sms which costs money on any other network Reasons for _not_ getting a dev phone -only one older dev phone model generally available at present -dev phones can't buy paid applications from the market (including your own) -if you sell apps, you need to restrict yourself to the capabilities of your users phones (and test on such a device!) -various preinstalled proprietary applications missing (+/- depending on your interest) The not being able to change preinstalled applications is in my mind the least anticipated, and most annoying, problem. There are many areas where very small decisions of questionable wisdom in default applications really hamper the user experience (even in the using it just to make calls sense), but these can't be very readily changed on a retail phone, particularly the parts most closely involved in the telephone functionality. As of this moment, I believe most of the retail phones are probably still shipping with an easily rooted linux kernel, but that probably will get closed up (already fixed in google's tree) and they will be limited until another hole is found. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Digging an old question that comes alive with the release of 1.6: what about OS updates? I have an HTC Magic from a carrier. Can i update to 1.6? How? Through the carrier? Thanks On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Chi Kit Leung michaelchi...@gmail.comwrote: I am using HTC Magic as test and debug environment. Because I need a phone to test my App. That is. Moreover, that can prove my App can run in a standard environment. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, your answers gave me some clue about the differences and now I think I'll be able to do the right decision. Thank's again! On Aug 28, 8:53 pm, Chris Stratton cs07...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 9:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? Just to expand on what others have said: Cost seems comparable betwen a devphoneand a retailphoneat full retail or plan price + termination fee, so it's really more a of a technical question. Reasons for a devphone -sim unlocked (some such as tmobile may? do that if you pay full retail or eventually on a plan) -can change linux and system libraries -can change pre-installed applications -tmobile myfaves application sends periodic sms which costs money on any other network Reasons for _not_ getting a devphone -only one older devphonemodel generally available at present -dev phones can't buy paid applications from the market (including your own) -if you sell apps, you need to restrict yourself to the capabilities of your users phones (and test on such a device!) -various preinstalled proprietary applications missing (+/- depending on your interest) The not being able to change preinstalled applications is in my mind the least anticipated, and most annoying, problem. There are many areas where very small decisions of questionable wisdom in default applications really hamper the user experience (even in the using it just to make calls sense), but these can't be very readily changed on a retailphone, particularly the parts most closely involved in the telephone functionality. As of this moment, I believe most of the retail phones are probably still shipping with an easily rooted linux kernel, but that probably will get closed up (already fixed in google's tree) and they will be limited until another hole is found. -- Regards, Michael Leung http://www.itblogs.info http://www.michaelleung.info -- Cumprimentos, Hugo Rafael Augusto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Rafa Perfeito wrote: I have an HTC Magic from a carrier. Can i update to 1.6? How? Through the carrier? T-Mobile has not yet announced plans for Android 1.6 for any of their devices. At some point, in all likelihood, they will make such an announcement. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need Android talent? Ask on HADO! http://wiki.andmob.org/hado --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
No T-Mobile for me. TMN from Portugal...But that means that the carrier itself enables the update? On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.comwrote: Rafa Perfeito wrote: I have an HTC Magic from a carrier. Can i update to 1.6? How? Through the carrier? T-Mobile has not yet announced plans for Android 1.6 for any of their devices. At some point, in all likelihood, they will make such an announcement. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need Android talent? Ask on HADO! http://wiki.andmob.org/hado -- Cumprimentos, Hugo Rafael Augusto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Rafa Perfeito wrote: No T-Mobile for me. TMN from Portugal... Oops. Sorry. Too early for me to be writing emails, apparently. This does not bode well for the blog post I am working on... But that means that the carrier itself enables the update? I have seen no evidence that HTC makes firmware upgrades available directly. They always handle that through whoever distributed the device (e.g., T-Mobile for the T-Mobile myTouch3G version of the Magic). So, if you got your device from your carrier, I would expect the carrier will say when and how to upgrade it, assuming they support such an upgrade. This is one of the many, many reasons why I hope Android spawns a robust market for devices not tied to a carrier, where you get the device from a device manufacturer and use it with a mobile carrier. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need Android talent? Ask on HADO! http://wiki.andmob.org/hado --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Interesting. Because I bought my Hero unlocked in the UK from an official reseller and I was indeed expecting some news from HTC themselves. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: Rafa Perfeito wrote: No T-Mobile for me. TMN from Portugal... Oops. Sorry. Too early for me to be writing emails, apparently. This does not bode well for the blog post I am working on... But that means that the carrier itself enables the update? I have seen no evidence that HTC makes firmware upgrades available directly. They always handle that through whoever distributed the device (e.g., T-Mobile for the T-Mobile myTouch3G version of the Magic). So, if you got your device from your carrier, I would expect the carrier will say when and how to upgrade it, assuming they support such an upgrade. This is one of the many, many reasons why I hope Android spawns a robust market for devices not tied to a carrier, where you get the device from a device manufacturer and use it with a mobile carrier. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need Android talent? Ask on HADO! http://wiki.andmob.org/hado -- Juan Delgado - Zárate http://zarate.tv http://blog.zarate.tv --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
I have seen no evidence that HTC makes firmware upgrades available directly Well that just sucks...I know there's is a dev phone, but wasn't the philosophy behind Android to be open to everyone contribution? That should be independent of the carrier/not carrier choice... Well, thanks for the response On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Juan Delgado zzzar...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. Because I bought my Hero unlocked in the UK from an official reseller and I was indeed expecting some news from HTC themselves. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Mark Murphy mmur...@commonsware.com wrote: Rafa Perfeito wrote: No T-Mobile for me. TMN from Portugal... Oops. Sorry. Too early for me to be writing emails, apparently. This does not bode well for the blog post I am working on... But that means that the carrier itself enables the update? I have seen no evidence that HTC makes firmware upgrades available directly. They always handle that through whoever distributed the device (e.g., T-Mobile for the T-Mobile myTouch3G version of the Magic). So, if you got your device from your carrier, I would expect the carrier will say when and how to upgrade it, assuming they support such an upgrade. This is one of the many, many reasons why I hope Android spawns a robust market for devices not tied to a carrier, where you get the device from a device manufacturer and use it with a mobile carrier. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Need Android talent? Ask on HADO! http://wiki.andmob.org/hado -- Juan Delgado - Zárate http://zarate.tv http://blog.zarate.tv -- Cumprimentos, Hugo Rafael Augusto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
I'm also very new to Android. And I would like to have the following - 1) I want to add and / or del any apps I want to - For this just any phone would do it? Or I need an unlocked one? 2) I would also like to craft part of OS and / or base framework - For this, Is it enough to have an unlocked phone ? I'm getting a T mobile G1 unlocked, is it fine for (2)? 3) I think the emulator should allow us to test out various form factors, since it might not be possible to buy and test all available phones out there... -pro --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Thanks a lot, your answers gave me some clue about the differences and now I think I'll be able to do the right decision. Thank's again! On Aug 28, 8:53 pm, Chris Stratton cs07...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 9:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? Just to expand on what others have said: Cost seems comparable betwen a devphoneand a retailphoneat full retail or plan price + termination fee, so it's really more a of a technical question. Reasons for a devphone -sim unlocked (some such as tmobile may? do that if you pay full retail or eventually on a plan) -can change linux and system libraries -can change pre-installed applications -tmobile myfaves application sends periodic sms which costs money on any other network Reasons for _not_ getting a devphone -only one older devphonemodel generally available at present -dev phones can't buy paid applications from the market (including your own) -if you sell apps, you need to restrict yourself to the capabilities of your users phones (and test on such a device!) -various preinstalled proprietary applications missing (+/- depending on your interest) The not being able to change preinstalled applications is in my mind the least anticipated, and most annoying, problem. There are many areas where very small decisions of questionable wisdom in default applications really hamper the user experience (even in the using it just to make calls sense), but these can't be very readily changed on a retailphone, particularly the parts most closely involved in the telephone functionality. As of this moment, I believe most of the retail phones are probably still shipping with an easily rooted linux kernel, but that probably will get closed up (already fixed in google's tree) and they will be limited until another hole is found. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
I am using HTC Magic as test and debug environment. Because I need a phone to test my App. That is. Moreover, that can prove my App can run in a standard environment. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot, your answers gave me some clue about the differences and now I think I'll be able to do the right decision. Thank's again! On Aug 28, 8:53 pm, Chris Stratton cs07...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 24, 9:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? Just to expand on what others have said: Cost seems comparable betwen a devphoneand a retailphoneat full retail or plan price + termination fee, so it's really more a of a technical question. Reasons for a devphone -sim unlocked (some such as tmobile may? do that if you pay full retail or eventually on a plan) -can change linux and system libraries -can change pre-installed applications -tmobile myfaves application sends periodic sms which costs money on any other network Reasons for _not_ getting a devphone -only one older devphonemodel generally available at present -dev phones can't buy paid applications from the market (including your own) -if you sell apps, you need to restrict yourself to the capabilities of your users phones (and test on such a device!) -various preinstalled proprietary applications missing (+/- depending on your interest) The not being able to change preinstalled applications is in my mind the least anticipated, and most annoying, problem. There are many areas where very small decisions of questionable wisdom in default applications really hamper the user experience (even in the using it just to make calls sense), but these can't be very readily changed on a retailphone, particularly the parts most closely involved in the telephone functionality. As of this moment, I believe most of the retail phones are probably still shipping with an easily rooted linux kernel, but that probably will get closed up (already fixed in google's tree) and they will be limited until another hole is found. -- Regards, Michael Leung http://www.itblogs.info http://www.michaelleung.info --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
On Aug 24, 9:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? Just to expand on what others have said: Cost seems comparable betwen a dev phone and a retail phone at full retail or plan price + termination fee, so it's really more a of a technical question. Reasons for a dev phone -sim unlocked (some such as tmobile may? do that if you pay full retail or eventually on a plan) -can change linux and system libraries -can change pre-installed applications -tmobile myfaves application sends periodic sms which costs money on any other network Reasons for _not_ getting a dev phone -only one older dev phone model generally available at present -dev phones can't buy paid applications from the market (including your own) -if you sell apps, you need to restrict yourself to the capabilities of your users phones (and test on such a device!) -various preinstalled proprietary applications missing (+/- depending on your interest) The not being able to change preinstalled applications is in my mind the least anticipated, and most annoying, problem. There are many areas where very small decisions of questionable wisdom in default applications really hamper the user experience (even in the using it just to make calls sense), but these can't be very readily changed on a retail phone, particularly the parts most closely involved in the telephone functionality. As of this moment, I believe most of the retail phones are probably still shipping with an easily rooted linux kernel, but that probably will get closed up (already fixed in google's tree) and they will be limited until another hole is found. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Right, Zonakusu. Rafa, think of it like buying a Linux PC. Some people might be interested in modifying Linux itself, but most developers will want to just write an application to run on top of Linux. Yusuf Saib Android ·T· · ·Mobile· stick together The views, opinions and statements in this email are those of the author solely in their individual capacity, and do not necessarily represent those of T-Mobile USA, Inc. On Aug 25, 6:25 am, Zonakusu zonak...@gmail.com wrote: He means that you can create and install your own software packages (.apk files) on your phone, but you won't be able to rewrite parts of the actual operating system. On 25 aug, 12:06, Rafa Perfeito rafa.perfe...@gmail.com wrote: Yusuf, Does that means that i can, for example, install new Android versions for myself in the device? What do you mean by 'modify the OS on the phone'? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Yusuf Saib (T-Mobile USA) yusuf.s...@t-mobile.com wrote: If you just want to write applications and run them on your phone, any Android phone will do. If you want to modify the OS on the phone, then you need either an official development phone or hack a non-dev phone to be a dev phone. Yusuf Saib Android ·T· · ·Mobile· stick together The views, opinions and statements in this email are those of the author solely in their individual capacity, and do not necessarily represent those of T-Mobile USA, Inc. On Aug 24, 6:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to Android and I want to start developing and deploying my apps to a real phone. My question is what is the big difference between the official ADP1 and other Android phones ? What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? I want to buy some Andriod phone, I thought of the new Samsung i7500 with Andriod OS or HTC Hero, will I be able to develop regularly or I will need to hack them in some manner to activate some features ? Thanks in advance Ran -- Cumprimentos, Hugo Rafael Augusto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Yusuf, Does that means that i can, for example, install new Android versions for myself in the device? What do you mean by 'modify the OS on the phone'? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Yusuf Saib (T-Mobile USA) yusuf.s...@t-mobile.com wrote: If you just want to write applications and run them on your phone, any Android phone will do. If you want to modify the OS on the phone, then you need either an official development phone or hack a non-dev phone to be a dev phone. Yusuf Saib Android ·T· · ·Mobile· stick together The views, opinions and statements in this email are those of the author solely in their individual capacity, and do not necessarily represent those of T-Mobile USA, Inc. On Aug 24, 6:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to Android and I want to start developing and deploying my apps to a real phone. My question is what is the big difference between the official ADP1 and other Android phones ? What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? I want to buy some Andriod phone, I thought of the new Samsung i7500 with Andriod OS or HTC Hero, will I be able to develop regularly or I will need to hack them in some manner to activate some features ? Thanks in advance Ran -- Cumprimentos, Hugo Rafael Augusto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
He means that you can create and install your own software packages (.apk files) on your phone, but you won't be able to rewrite parts of the actual operating system. On 25 aug, 12:06, Rafa Perfeito rafa.perfe...@gmail.com wrote: Yusuf, Does that means that i can, for example, install new Android versions for myself in the device? What do you mean by 'modify the OS on the phone'? On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Yusuf Saib (T-Mobile USA) yusuf.s...@t-mobile.com wrote: If you just want to write applications and run them on your phone, any Android phone will do. If you want to modify the OS on the phone, then you need either an official development phone or hack a non-dev phone to be a dev phone. Yusuf Saib Android ·T· · ·Mobile· stick together The views, opinions and statements in this email are those of the author solely in their individual capacity, and do not necessarily represent those of T-Mobile USA, Inc. On Aug 24, 6:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to Android and I want to start developing and deploying my apps to a real phone. My question is what is the big difference between the official ADP1 and other Android phones ? What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? I want to buy some Andriod phone, I thought of the new Samsung i7500 with Andriod OS or HTC Hero, will I be able to develop regularly or I will need to hack them in some manner to activate some features ? Thanks in advance Ran -- Cumprimentos, Hugo Rafael Augusto --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
If you just want to write applications and run them on your phone, any Android phone will do. If you want to modify the OS on the phone, then you need either an official development phone or hack a non-dev phone to be a dev phone. Yusuf Saib Android ·T· · ·Mobile· stick together The views, opinions and statements in this email are those of the author solely in their individual capacity, and do not necessarily represent those of T-Mobile USA, Inc. On Aug 24, 6:09 am, Ran dahan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to Android and I want to start developing and deploying my apps to a real phone. My question is what is the big difference between the official ADP1 and other Android phones ? What is the benefit of working with ADP1 over the other Android phones ? I want to buy some Andriod phone, I thought of the new Samsung i7500 with Andriod OS or HTC Hero, will I be able to develop regularly or I will need to hack them in some manner to activate some features ? Thanks in advance Ran --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
You can install app as well in a t-mobile without SIM card. You can install either from eclipse or by downloading the apk file. On Aug 4, 8:19 am, Abhiram Alamuru alamuru420...@gmail.com wrote: I've got an unlocked t-mobile g1 and it works fine without the sim. I can use wifi, browse, play games, download from market etc. I haven't tried installing apps on it but I don't see why it won't work. I got it unlocked directly from t-mobile (a friend sold it to me since he was getting the new g2), if you like I can try installing an app into it using eclipse and let you know. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Oliver Rennfort anubis...@gmail.com wrote: Yes you can use the dev phone without a sim but you need to hack it. But its simple comand line hack. Android Apps Developer On Aug 3, 2009 1:34 PM, Greg ghoo...@barereef.com wrote: I'm nearing completion of an app and need to begin testing on a real device. G1s are going for quite a bit less than the official development phone on ebay. I'm wondering if its possible to use the G1 without a sim card? Can you still use the WIFI and the rest of the phone functionality? -- Abhiram Alamuru --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
Yes you can use the dev phone without a sim but you need to hack it. But its simple comand line hack. Android Apps Developer On Aug 3, 2009 1:34 PM, Greg ghoo...@barereef.com wrote: I'm nearing completion of an app and need to begin testing on a real device. G1s are going for quite a bit less than the official development phone on ebay. I'm wondering if its possible to use the G1 without a sim card? Can you still use the WIFI and the rest of the phone functionality? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Development Phone
I've got an unlocked t-mobile g1 and it works fine without the sim. I can use wifi, browse, play games, download from market etc. I haven't tried installing apps on it but I don't see why it won't work. I got it unlocked directly from t-mobile (a friend sold it to me since he was getting the new g2), if you like I can try installing an app into it using eclipse and let you know. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Oliver Rennfort anubis...@gmail.com wrote: Yes you can use the dev phone without a sim but you need to hack it. But its simple comand line hack. Android Apps Developer On Aug 3, 2009 1:34 PM, Greg ghoo...@barereef.com wrote: I'm nearing completion of an app and need to begin testing on a real device. G1s are going for quite a bit less than the official development phone on ebay. I'm wondering if its possible to use the G1 without a sim card? Can you still use the WIFI and the rest of the phone functionality? -- Abhiram Alamuru --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Beginners group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
