Digit,
Thank you for not using the title Developer Advocate
On Jun 30, 4:34 pm, Digit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm certainly going to be slapped for talking publicy about all this in this
forum, but, as an
Android team member, I really think it's time to correct some
misunderstandings
Hi Shane
yes GPL limits NDA.
It seems that Android OS should not be published to anybody (Challenge
winners, phone operators, phone manufacturers etc..) against any NDA.
Android OS is mainly GPL as it is coming from linux.
SDK is mainly Apache V2 license.
But as Java is GPL2 now (not specs
huu ? I think there is a misunderstanding there, the M5 Eclipse plugin is
available:
http://android.googlecode.com/files/adt-m5-rc14.tar.gz
its the first entry on the download page at:
http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Joa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. The Linux derivative work might not have changed since posted on
the code page.
Not to mention the git repository (http://git.android.com/) has been
updated within the past 12 days. It shows dozens of commits in the past
two months.
I would think the burden is on Mr. Legendre or Mr. Isbell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:14 AM, Mark Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
2. The Linux derivative work might not have changed since posted on
the code page.
Not to mention the git repository (http://git.android.com/) has been
updated within the past 12 days. It shows dozens of commits in the
Thanks for that nugget of information Mr. Murphy, but really how am I to
dig up a distribution I have no access to?
My point exactly.
I am merely pointing out that the
download page that Romain said hosts Google's GPL code to hasn't been
updated (since Feb. 08).
And if that's what you
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Mark Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thanks for that nugget of information Mr. Murphy, but really how am I to
dig up a distribution I have no access to?
My point exactly.
I am merely pointing out that the
download page that Romain said hosts Google's
Hi
If Android OS has not been improved from February it would be even
worse. I would mean that this project is not well and alive.
If we consider that SDK is not an Open Source project it would solved
also many issues but it would mean that the code is all new and not
tested and I am not sure
On Jun 30, 9:35 am, André Charles Legendre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
If Android OS has not been improved from February it would be even
worse. I would mean that this project is not well and alive.
Not sure about the improved part it certainly has changed. Check out
the Google I/O keynote
Hi Joa
You seems to forget the main things :
Does Android SDK need to be open source as using a lot of Open Source code ?
If yes are Open Source licenses compatible with NDA ?
It seems that SDK use GPL code and should not be published under NDA.
It even seems that NDA is not compatible wit
I chatted with Mark M. offline and I would like to clarify a few things.
First, I agree that leveling charges of license violations is serious,
personally I doubt Google is that stupid. I'm merely pointing out that when
Romain gave a link of released GPL distributions, they were all outdated, so
I
Hi Shane
Open Source Initiative consider that to be open source a project
cannot be published under NDA. (see below)
http://www.opensource.org/osr
The question is : is Open Source Initiative stupid to ask for this requirement ?
Look at the board members before to say that they are stupid :
Open Source Initiative consider that to be open source a project
cannot be published under NDA. (see below)
http://www.opensource.org/osr
False.
The document says that open *standards* should not have NDAs attached to
them (To comply with the Open Standards Requirement, an 'open standard'
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:41 AM, André Charles Legendre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Shane
Open Source Initiative consider that to be open source a project
cannot be published under NDA. (see below)
http://www.opensource.org/osr
The question is : is Open Source Initiative stupid to ask
It seems that we have not the same way to read this :
# No Agreements: There MUST NOT be any requirement for execution of a
license agreement, NDA, grant, click-through, or any other form of
paperwork to deploy conforming implementations of the standard.
But it seems that many people have the
On Jun 30, 10:35 am, André Charles Legendre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Joa
You seems to forget the main things :
Does Android SDK need to be open source as using a lot of Open Source code ?
Dalvik demonstrates that they went to great lenghts to avoid
dependencies on their part, e.g.
I'm certainly going to be slapped for talking publicy about all this in this
forum, but, as an
Android team member, I really think it's time to correct some
misunderstandings before
the wild hyperbole that has been prospering in this thread goes further.
First of all, regarding the alleged GPL
my two US cents ain't worth much these days but IMO,
Shane hit the nail on the head a couple of emails back,
Google is eroding the goodwill of their community
Google is going to do what they want irregardless even
if morally Andr makes the right arguments, especially on how Sergey
led the
Hi Digit thanks for the update.
Back on topic. No SDK updates in sight unless we are part of the
privileged. How that comes across? Not well obviously, as has been
elaborated.
As long as things play out in Kafkaesque dimensions, and the only way
to get something out is by rattling the cage, the
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Joa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Digit thanks for the update.
Back on topic. No SDK updates in sight unless we are part of the
privileged. How that comes across? Not well obviously, as has been
elaborated.
As long as things play out in Kafkaesque dimensions,
Hi Digit
First of thank's to brake this wall of silence which hurt all of us.
This silence is probably the biggest pain for us.
Why not publish new SDK release ?
Why not publish some news to the community ?
Regards
Andre Legendre
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You
Romain,
I suppose I don't have to tell you that a great number of coders
invested a good amount of time.
Many had been in it for the Challenge only, I am sure, but then
there's a bunch who like to code and create a valuable product.
By now it should be clear that the community expects more. Way
I would like to say that for Android community it would be a must if
we could get new SDK releases.
I think that Android team should go to the following link at FSF.org
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#WhyDoesTheGPLPermitUsersToPublishTheirModifiedVersions
You would find the
There is no violation of the GPL. All the GPL code modified by Google
has been released publicly (for instance here:
http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list).
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:57 PM, André Charles Legendre
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I would like to say that for Android
Josh, I have to agree with Joa. Thanks for the inside info!! The
fact that sdk updates are withheld from the earliest of adopters is
ridiculous.
On Jun 28, 11:37 am, Joa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Great write-up Josh, just as I thought. Thanks for the legwork.
NDAs, geez. What a sham.
On Jun
Mark Armendariz wrote:
Josh, I have to agree with Joa. Thanks for the inside info!! The
fact that sdk updates are withheld from the earliest of adopters is
ridiculous.
Yes, I agree that this is clearly unacceptable. Obviously we should
immediately demand our money back.
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Maybe they have reasons why they are not releasing a new one. But I at
least want to know why :(
On Jun 29, 11:19 pm, David Given [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark Armendariz wrote:
Josh, I have to agree with Joa. Thanks for the inside info!! The
fact that sdk updates are withheld from the
On Jun 29, 12:57 pm, André Charles Legendre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just cannot believe that Android team could made some major GPL
violation with the agreement of Google legal division.
Sometime we make mistake, sometime it is better to correct them.
I wouldn't expect Google to fail on
Hi
You will find below a question and its answer coming from :
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowNDA
Does the GPL allow me to distribute copies under a nondisclosure agreement?
No. The GPL says that anyone who receives a copy from you has the
right to
Hi
You will find below a question and its answer coming from :
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowNDA
Does the GPL allow me to distribute copies under a nondisclosure agreement?
No. The GPL says that anyone who receives a copy from you has the
right to
Ok, now, in the same time, Apple had released 8 updates of iphone
sdk.
It's not about tech, it about how people(community) thinking.
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Great write-up Josh, just as I thought. Thanks for the legwork.
NDAs, geez. What a sham.
On Jun 27, 10:13 am, Josh Guilfoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no official comment from Google, but after talking to several
sources on the team, it is quite clear that they do not expect a
WTF ?!?!?! That sounded like that there may be no update to the SDK
until the handsets launch?
Exactly no one would profit from such a decision!
There has been no official announcement either way, please do not make
any conclusion based on wild guesses.
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Romain Guy
There is no official comment from Google, but after talking to several
sources on the team, it is quite clear that they do not expect a
release until the handsets launch. The ADC round 1 winners are now
under NDA with Google to get access to private updates which they are
not allowed to discuss
If that's the case, Google is just another closed, mobile player and Android
is just another mobile system that will fragment the market. We've all been
had. But thanks for the update.
Shane
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Josh Guilfoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no official comment
As a technology Android is a marginal improvement over say a full CDC
platform; the real excitement, at least for me personally, was that
individual developers could move in and change the industry because they
would finally be able to enter and push ideas before the platform was mature
and before
We need regular updates...especially because this isn't a shipped
product so Google should be providing updates more rapidly. Google's
stated approach to dev rapid prototyping so they should be putting out
2 new SDKs for each Apple SDK.
That said, I'm glad they didn't put out one during the
I just wonder when is the soon release date
On May 9, 9:55 pm, Evan JIANG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good question. In the same time, Apple had released 5 updates of iphone sdk.
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's been more than two months since the release of
Huh? Is this a fair comparison?
Android is a preview release, not a shipped product.
I wouldn't care about another SDK update until the product is open
sourced where updates will be orders of magnitudes greater. The
current SDK and the ADC are enough incentives for experimenting and
I agree. However, it would be really helpful to have an updated SDK, even
for first impressions. I just hope soon will be sooner.
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 6:57 PM, caliente [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Huh? Is this a fair comparison?
Android is a preview release, not a shipped product.
I
Good question. In the same time, Apple had released 5 updates of iphone sdk.
On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's been more than two months since the release of m5-rc15. Can
anyone from Google give us an update on the next SDK release schedule?
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