heh this whole thread is hilarious, I believe upstream is eager to do so
just so people will stop complaining xD
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto <
denisfalqu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
> wrote:
> > I know that
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 02:13:26 Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Quote from IRC today:
>
> #systemd: mezcalero » falconindy: ah, arch switches for good?
> #systemd: mezcalero » falconindy: that's great news
> #systemd: mezcalero » falconindy: if you need any upstream support for
> this, just ping
>
> (wh
> If there's a developer anywhere that agrees with you, and I expect there will
> be at some point, udev will be forked, or something else will be developed to
> rival systemd. Right now, that's not even necessary.
Little need but may well be.
http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/891
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On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 18:00:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Btw. my Arch Linux is absolutely stable, excepted of one change. I
> tested Network Manager, this software is not that good. However, IIUC
> switching back to netcfg which always was stable on my machine might
> cause issues, when not using syst
[2012-08-14 16:19:18 +0200] Ralf Mardorf:
> Regarding to this discussion I don't like his opinion.
You call this a discussion when all you've been doing is post useless
oneliners and decide whether or not you like other's opinions?
Please do everyone a big favor next time you are about to send yo
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
> Does systemd not use the standard
> mount program and follow /etc/fstab?
It does. Though it does not use "mount -a", but rather mounts each fs
separately.
> It's the
> classic technical support problem with multiple moving pieces with
> eac
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> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Norbert Zeh
> wrote:
>
>> David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]:
>>> What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd
>>> here has been that it has been conf
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On 08/14/2012 04:17 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Baho Utot
> wrote:
>> Have a look at this and notice the /dev/sda2 lines
>
> Never seen anything like this, so I'd be tempted to say this is
> not systemd related. findmn
14.08.2012 17:13, Ralf Mardorf пишет:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:05 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
So better learn it now :p
That might be true, since I don't think I have a choice, e.g. switching
to BSD seems no alternative for my needs.
I should install a second Arch with full Poettering code
On 08/14/2012 07:17 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
Have a look at this and notice the /dev/sda2 lines
Never seen anything like this, so I'd be tempted to say this is not
systemd related. findmnt is usually a better source of this info
rather than mou
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> Have a look at this and notice the /dev/sda2 lines
Never seen anything like this, so I'd be tempted to say this is not
systemd related. findmnt is usually a better source of this info
rather than mount.
That said, we seem to stray off-topic aga
On 08/14/2012 06:56 PM, David Benfell wrote:
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Can you do a mount and post the result here I am curious if you see
the same thing as I do when systemd is running I have full systemd
running under fedora 15/17 a
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
> David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]:
> > What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd here has
> > been that it has been conflated with the discussion of pulseaudio. I
> > think it is possible to like one and not the other.
>
David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]:
> What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd here has
> been that it has been conflated with the discussion of pulseaudio. I
> think it is possible to like one and not the other.
Indeed. The heated discussion about systemd actually had the e
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:35 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
> This part is true, and the fact that the system comes up *lightning
> fast* is a bonus. I'm not satisfied with the documentation, however,
> as it seems to be scattered across several man pages, the Arch wiki
> only covers some of it, and as
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On 08/14/2012 03:46 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
>
> Can you do a mount and post the result here I am curious if you see
> the same thing as I do when systemd is running I have full systemd
> running under fedora 15/17 and it has some bizarre mount points. I
On 08/14/2012 06:35 PM, David Benfell wrote:
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For example I find systemd's .service files so
much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are
also portable and can be included in upstre
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On 08/14/2012 07:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>> For example I find systemd's .service files so
> much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are
> also portable and can be included in upstream packages.
This part is true, and the f
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Geoff wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:49 -0300
> Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
>
> > You should check arch-dev-public :)
> >
> > It's a funny thread
> >
> >
> https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html
>
> Mostly I just re
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:49 -0300
Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
> You should check arch-dev-public :)
>
> It's a funny thread
>
> https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html
Mostly I just read arch-general and try to understand arguments. I do,
however, f
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:13 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a
> short, sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is
> not evil. You may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will
> be the best thing for you to do t
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
wrote:
> I know that nobody in arch has declared the switch is inevitable
> but the way it looks, with upstream being eager enough to do so,
> it seems incredibly likely unless we train everyone to use DJB's
> daemontools instead. :P
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:13:45PM +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a short,
> sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is not evil. You
> may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will be the best thing for
> y
If there's a developer anywhere that agrees with you, and I expect there will
be at some point, udev will be forked, or something else will be developed to
rival systemd. Right now, that's not even necessary.
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Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/14/2012 10
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 18:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:04 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> > Is that what you're worried about?
>
> Yes ;D. I switched to Arch to get rid of fear. No I'm very scary.
>^^^ Now
> - Ralf
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:04 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Is that what you're worried about?
Yes ;D. I switched to Arch to get rid of fear. No I'm very scary.
- Ralf
Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a short, sharp
pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is not evil. You may not
like the idea of changing, but it probably will be the best thing for you to do
to avoid more pain down the line. No rush, but I reckon t
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:59 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in
> general to go through tough technical transitions for the sake of
> progress? If so, I'd say that's one of the big things that makes Linux
> so successful, and Windows so slow to
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:46 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes
> > > about Lennart Poetterin
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 06:00:25PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I had to google, I never heard about Daniel J. Bernstein before. I
> suspect DJB is for Daniel J. Bernstein?
Yes.
> If so, he seemingly isn't as half as arrogant as LP.
Spend a week lurking a crypto mailing list and you may
change y
That sounds like a perfectly fair attitude to have. Although the change may
require a little thought, I really think SystemD will not suddenly make Arch
difficult to use, though. Is that what you're worried about?
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Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue,
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Paul Dann wrote:
>
> Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in general to
> go through tough technical transitions for the sake of progress? If so, I'd
> say that's one of the big things that makes Linux so successful, and
> Windows so slow
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:46 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes
> > about Lennart Poettering and his software on ALL mailing lists, than
> > about anythin
Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in general to go
through tough technical transitions for the sake of progress? If so, I'd say
that's one of the big things that makes Linux so successful, and Windows so
slow to improve. There are always the distros with LTS releases
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:30:50AM -0400, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> Also, I will state once again that I think people are
> highly exaggerating the "difficulty" of transitioning an arch install to
> systemd, its quite simple.
It sounds like you're trying to turn peoples' subjective preferences
int
Yes, but it strives to hide those sorts of transitions from the user. I believe
the issue in question is the pain of change.
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Jelle van der Waa wrote:
On 08/14/12 15:51, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wro
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes
> about Lennart Poettering and his software on ALL mailing lists, than
> about anything else.
>
> Why is it like that?
Probably because he has all the arrogance of D
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:27 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Please CC me in any future audio discussions.
Flagged!
Regards,
ralf
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>>>
I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but
We should all be getting tired of this now. Please read the multiple
threads before posting things that have already been posted. Actually
don't as we will never hear from you again ;-)
Who said we are going to be forced to use systemd again. I believe the
systemd design spec also said he hopes to
On 14 August 2012 16:05, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 10:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>>
>> Lennart Poettering by his own submission stated that he wanted udev as
>> part of systemd and that he doesn't care about any other init system
>> that would use udev. As with Lennart it seems
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:03 +0100, Geoff wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:23:28 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
> ImightBeMistakenSinceIonlyTestedPascalWithTheC64AndDecidedToUseAssemblerInstead
>
> OT, but if the above is true, was that Oxford Pascal, and did you then switch
> to the MIKRO Assem
On 14 August 2012 11:07, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>
>> >after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to
>> >deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so
>> >much cleaner and easier to
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 10:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>> On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>> >>> I
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> >after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to
> >deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so
> >much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also
> >portable
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 10:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> >>> I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but swit
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:23:28 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
ImightBeMistakenSinceIonlyTestedPascalWithTheC64AndDecidedToUseAssemblerInstead
OT, but if the above is true, was that Oxford Pascal, and did you then switch
to the MIKRO Assembler cartridge (as I did) ? Well to be accurate I switched
to it
On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is
hard irrespectively of what you're switching to.
Because t
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:23 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/14/12 16:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:51 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> and ea
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> > I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is
> hard irrespectively of what you're switching to.
> Because the devs made systemd being able to use rc.
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 11:12 -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Calvin Morrison
> wrote:
> > On 14 August 2012 09:52, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ish
On 08/14/12 16:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:51 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
>>>
>>> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I gu
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> BTW learn how to use filters in your email program.
I'm not using Thunderbird anymore as he does, but I remember it was easy
to do. However, I hope he won't ban anybody. His help is useful.
Regarding to this discussion I don't like his opinion.
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:33:41 +0530, Jelle van der Waa
wrote:
SuSe has systemd plans too
in openSUSE's upcoming version, 12.2, systemd is default. for the moment
though both init systems are being maintained. this lead to very similar
discussions on the mailing lists over there, with exa
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Calvin Morrison
wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 09:52, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot
>> wrote:
>>> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Bah
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 04:23 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>
> [putolin]
>
>
>> As explained in this and other threads, it may not be a decision we, in
>> the Arch world, get to make. Too much of upstream may actually be dictated
>> by what a
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:51 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > > and easier for most users to maintain
> >
> > USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
>
On 08/14/2012 09:58 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
[putolin]
When did offering an opposing opinion to what ever is popular become
tolling? what is this? /r/politics? I frankly have seen arguments both
ways for systemd and initscripts, and the fact that many users do not
want to switch is enough f
On 08/09/2012 04:23 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
[putolin]
As explained in this and other threads, it may not be a decision we,
in the Arch world, get to make. Too much of upstream may actually be
dictated by what a comercially-backed distro does.
That is why I just may end up
On 08/14/12 15:51, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>>> and easier for most users to maintain
>>
>> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
>> "USERS" it's hard to
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:47 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:08:36 Baho Utot wrote:
> > I don't understand your point
> >
> > What is so wrong with the booting using sysvinit?
> >
> > I really don't need what systemd offers and sysvinit does everything I
> > need and
On 14 August 2012 09:52, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
>> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
>
On 08/14/2012 09:32 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
Am 14.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Baho Utot:
Wow, this sounds so much like a conspiracy theory. The fact is that the
people who write the code inevitably dictate which software is
maintained,
based on their interests and convictions, and they're pretty m
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
>>
>> I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I ha
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 07:20:29PM +0530, gt wrote:
> Offtopic: Your system clock seems to be way off.
So it is! Thanks for the heads up.
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:32 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> So, you are annoying the whole mailing list
You are speaking for the "WHOLE" mailing list? I read this from others a
thousand times before. YOU AREN'T SPEAKING AT LEAST FOR ME!
Call me a troll, I'm anyway member of this list and YOU DON'T
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > and easier for most users to maintain
>
> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> "USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:28:17PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> > I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is
> > hard irrespectively of what you're switching to.
> Because the devs made systemd being abl
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 02:05:10PM -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:37:54PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I suspect that BSD for artist that draw can be used, but for audio not.
> > Am I mistaken?
>
> I'm not sure I understand the question.
>
> There's a
On 08/14/2012 09:25 AM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:12:30 Baho Utot wrote:
I think Arch was good back in the day.
Now not so good.
This sounds a bit inflammatory and over-generalised. Presumably what you don't
like about Arch now is the fact that it will potentially chan
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:08:36 Baho Utot wrote:
> I don't understand your point
>
> What is so wrong with the booting using sysvinit?
>
> I really don't need what systemd offers and sysvinit does everything I
> need and has not failed me.
There's nothing inherently wrong with it, just like
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:32:42PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
> And you don't want systemd because you are sure it won't do what
> sysvinit can, even though you didn't try it.
>
I think the complaint here is that the switch itself is a problem.
I think he made it rather clear that he's not cri
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:26 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> What no turbo pascal?
No. Some time later I switched to the Atari ST with a 80286 hardware
emulator and tested Turbo C++ on DR DOS.
Today I'm just a user, I don't wish to learn how to program nowadays
computers, I simply wish to use the comput
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:08:36AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> What is so wrong with the booting using sysvinit?
As a critic of systemd, perhaps I can help.
Init scripts tend to wreck the determinism beacuse they can inherit
your env. pid files are a problem waiting to happen. There really
is no
On 08/09/2012 04:02 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:12:30AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
I have stopped using arch except for one server that does mail and DNS.
It is presently being moved to "my own linux distro" based on LFS and
using pacman for the package mana
Am 14.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Baho Utot:
>> Wow, this sounds so much like a conspiracy theory. The fact is that the
>> people who write the code inevitably dictate which software is
>> maintained,
>> based on their interests and convictions, and they're pretty much
>> unanimous
>> that systemd is a
Am Dienstag, den 14.08.2012, 14:59 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > and easier for most users to maintain
>
> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> "USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We st
On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is hard
> irrespectively of what you're switching to.
Because the devs made systemd being able to use rc.conf?
It takes less then a day to use systemd, but I am not fo
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:23 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:13 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> > On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > >> and easier for most users to maintain
> > > USERS? I'm a stupid user.
On 08/14/2012 09:23 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:13 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about e
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:12:30 Baho Utot wrote:
> I think Arch was good back in the day.
>
> Now not so good.
This sounds a bit inflammatory and over-generalised. Presumably what you don't
like about Arch now is the fact that it will potentially change its default
init system sometime in the
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:37:54PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I suspect that BSD for artist that draw can be used, but for audio not.
> Am I mistaken?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
There's a lot of audio software in FreeBSD. Whether any of it suits your
purposes, I can not say.
htt
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:13 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> >> and easier for most users to maintain
> > USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> > "USERS" it's hard t
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:12:30AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> I have stopped using arch except for one server that does mail and DNS.
> It is presently being moved to "my own linux distro" based on LFS and
> using pacman for the package manager.
Oooh! Link?
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:05:02PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> Tell me what's hard about systemd?
I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is hard
irrespectively of what you're switching to.
That's my inference anyway.
On 08/14/2012 09:05 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
On 08/14/12 14:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
"USERS" it's hard to follow changes every
On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
"USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
simply want to us
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:05 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> So better learn it now :p
That might be true, since I don't think I have a choice, e.g. switching
to BSD seems no alternative for my needs.
I should install a second Arch with full Poettering code ... take some
drugs, e.g. Diazepam ...
On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I have is that my
notmuch database isn't backwards compatible with the on
On 08/14/2012 08:45 AM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
On Monday 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 Joakim Hernberg wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530
Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we
want to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the
time though. OK, flames
On 08/14/12 14:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>> and easier for most users to maintain
>
> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> "USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
> simply want
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
"USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
simply want to use the computer. We are willing to learn, but
On Monday 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 Joakim Hernberg wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530
>
> Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we
> want to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the
> time though. OK, flames away I guess :)
Wow, this sounds so much
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 13:13 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> > Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
>
> I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I have is that
> my notmuch database isn't backwards com
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I have is that my
notmuch database isn't backwards compatible with the one they have in ports.
Other than that, it's been a smooth tr
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:20 AM, Jayesh Badwaik
wrote:
> Another flame may start here, but I would like to present the following
> as a pure news, no opinions[1].
You're free to post this, but don't for one second pretend that it is
anything, but flame bait.
=-Jameson
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530
Jayesh Badwaik wrote:
> Hi,
> *wall of text*
I, for one, welcome our new red hatted underlings.
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> It's said a fundamental problem with user space development is
> that often new projects are started because feature X is easier when
> starting from scratch and so your swapping rather than developing. Is
> that the case here or was there
> I see that linus torvalds will have competition pretty soon on who gets
> to be the overlord. Or maybe they can coexist, one in kernel land and
> the other in userspace land ;)
linus used to run binaries from his earliest days just to make sure
that they still worked and constantly iterates that
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 19:11 +0530, gt wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 03:50:16PM +0530, Jayesh Badwaik wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Another flame may start here, but I would like to present the following
> > as a pure news, no opinions[1].
> >
> > Of course, after reading all the discussions on the
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