Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

Now that we've reached the magic ZERO in the free pool, what does the community think about this new draft policy? Should ARIN begin the process of streamlining the IPv4 policy so that it is geared more toward the transfer market, and remove "need" as a criteria in certain sections of the NRPM to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-10: Minimum IPv6 Assignments

Hi PPML, There have been a number of public discussions regarding the ins and outs of IPV6 subnet allocation. One such starts here: http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2014-October/070339.html My recollection of the outcomes of these discussions is a sort of rough consensus that /48 is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

I couldn't agree more! Steven Ryerse President 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338 770.656.1460 - Cell 770.399.9099- Office ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.     Conquering Complex Networks℠ -Original Message- From: arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

+1 Keeping needs basis in the NRPM will only drive the transfers underground. Some are already using all kind of financial tricks (futures contracts, lease contracts, etc) and are waiting for the needs basis criteria to be removed from NRPM in order to register the transfers in the ARIN

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

On Sep 24, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote: > > +1 > > Keeping needs basis in the NRPM will only drive the transfers underground. > Some are already using all kind of financial tricks (futures contracts, lease > contracts, etc) and are waiting for the needs basis

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

Short answer: NO Longer answer: Finance alone does not reflect all community values. Eliminating needs-based evaluation for transfers will foster an environment open to speculation and other artifice used to maximize the monetization of address resources without providing the benefit to the

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

Hi John, On 24/09/15 23:16, John Curran wrote: On Sep 24, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote: +1 Keeping needs basis in the NRPM will only drive the transfers underground. Some are already using all kind of financial tricks (futures contracts, lease contracts, etc)

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

Many folks make a profit on various Internet services in this Region. ARIN was created to further the Internet and not stifle it. Nowhere do I see that it is part of ARIN's mission to somehow prevent profits via policies. Appears to me to be all about the haves keeping the have nots from

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

And your position has nothing to do with what you stand to gain as IPv6 becomes more popular and yet IPv4 isn't so constrained as to hamper traffic growth. Why don't we instead completely refrain from allegations of wrongdoing with regard to one's opinions about the policies? Matthew

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2015-6

"In fact, I believe that eliminating needs-basis will likely cause actual utilization to be reduced in the long run in favor of financial manipulationOwen" Until Proven otherwise, I am inclined to support Owen's view on this. I think adoption of 2015-6 is likely to legitimize the monetization

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

If you're right, doesn't that simply drive v6 adoption, which is the desired goal? Matthew Kaufman On 9/24/2015 12:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: Short answer: NO Longer answer: Finance alone does not reflect all community values. Eliminating needs-based evaluation for transfers will foster

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

Owen, if someone needs an IPv4 transfer and wants to use our brokerage firm, believe me we will be happy to assist them and help them get what they need (regardless of whether the needs-based criteria is still in the policy or not). Off course, we will do everything to respect the policies

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-10: Minimum IPv6 Assignments

Hi Owen, On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Owen DeLong wrote: On Sep 24, 2015, at 12:37 , John Springer wrote: And if you have an opinion of no, are you able to say because it is technically unsound or unfair and partial? This isn?t really necessary, John. A proposal must be

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:51:29PM +0300, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote: > +1 > > Keeping needs basis in the NRPM will only drive the transfers underground. > Some are already using all kind of financial tricks (futures contracts, > lease contracts, etc) and are waiting for the needs basis criteria to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

Of course your position wouldn’t have anything to do with the profits you stand to make from an unrestricted transfer market. Owen > On Sep 24, 2015, at 13:12 , Elvis Daniel Velea wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > On 24/09/15 22:09, Owen DeLong wrote: >> Short answer: NO >> >> Longer

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

- Original Message - From: "Leif Sawyer" Should ARIN begin the process of streamlining the IPv4 policy so that it is geared more toward the transfer market, and remove "need" as a criteria in certain sections of the NRPM to increase the database accuracy? Hi

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

Hi Owen, On 24/09/15 22:09, Owen DeLong wrote: Short answer: NO Longer answer: Finance alone does not reflect all community values. Eliminating needs-based evaluation for transfers will foster an environment open to speculation and other artifice used to maximize the monetization of address

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

b) There is no definitive outcome from the policy change, which makes me feel that it's not worth changing -- the problem statement argument is weak at best. It is potentially enabling organizations with more money than need gain more resources, potentially at the expense of non-profit and

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