Re: VMRs

2021-09-16 Thread Patrick Eriksson
Stefan, For HSE it is up to the user to apply this "fine tuning" or not. This including to include adding call of the HSE method in OEM iterations, to make sure that HSE is maintained after an iteration. The VMR rescaling should also be included in the iteration agenda, if the retrieval can c

Re: VMRs

2021-09-16 Thread Stefan Buehler
Hej igen, > Yes, this puts some weight on the user. Hydrostatic equilibrium (HSE) is a > similar case. Input profiles do not always fulfil HSE (this is the case for > Fascod, if not a mater of geopotential vs geometric altitudes?). Could this for Fascod also be due to the VMR definition, perhap

Re: VMRs

2021-09-16 Thread Patrick Eriksson
Hi again, Great that we agree on the problem. OK, let's keep the present definition of VMR (that it refers to sum of all gases, not just "constant" ones). We should then for sure introduce a rescaling method (or maybe several). I expressed myself poorly, I rather meant that introducing such

RE: arts_dev.mi Digest, Vol 52, Issue 1

2021-09-16 Thread Fox, Stuart
> It seems a bit weird to me to use this definition at the (low) level of the > absorption routines. Perhaps one solutions would be to have an option for > this behaviour when ingesting concentration profile data? Perhaps by > > passing in a list of species that should be considered as not addin

Re: arts_dev.mi Digest, Vol 52, Issue 1

2021-09-16 Thread Stefan Buehler
Dear Stuart, yes, exactly, thanks for pointing this out. :-) I had completely forgotten about this. This problem is related but slightly different: The VMR profile that we get as input may be based on the convention that x = p_species/p_dry, rather than p_species/p_total. I just quickly check

Re: VMRs

2021-09-16 Thread Stefan Buehler
Hej, > With our present definition of VMRs, we agree on that having 78% N2, 21% O2 > and e.g. 3% H2O is unphysical? That with a lot of H2O (or any other non-fixed > gas) the standard values of the fixed gases should be scaled downwards. In > the example above, with 0.97. Do you agree? Yes, I a

Re: VMRs

2021-09-16 Thread Patrick Eriksson
Hej, No time for writing a lot. Right now just want to make a basic check of our understanding. With our present definition of VMRs, we agree on that having 78% N2, 21% O2 and e.g. 3% H2O is unphysical? That with a lot of H2O (or any other non-fixed gas) the standard values of the fixed gase

Re: VMRs

2021-09-16 Thread Richard Larsson
Patrick, I think it doesn't make sense to switch to this in ARTS. In fact, I don't think it makes sense to use it at at all unless you want a fixed low-altitude model. It does make a lot of sense to provide some level of automation to take care of the adjustments for fixed low-altitude models, b

Re: VMRs

2021-09-16 Thread Stefan Buehler
Hej Patrick! It seems a bit weird to me to use this definition at the (low) level of the absorption routines. Perhaps one solutions would be to have an option for this behaviour when ingesting concentration profile data? Perhaps by passing in a list of species that should be considered as not a