Re: [Assam] on plebisite
What Ruby Bhuyan has said in his/her mail (There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom.) is really, really very important. I hope when we are having any debate or discussion, we argue out our aims and motives in this spirit rather than trying to project views not matching those of ours in a negative light just to score a debating point. Utpal Borpujari - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
What Ruby Bhuyan has said in his/her mail (There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom.) is really, really very important. I hope when we are having any debate or discussion, we argue out our aims and motives in this spirit rather than trying to project views not matching those of ours in a negative light just to score a debating point. Utpal Borpujari - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
Then it must be in august company with the RSS , which too has been listed as a 'terrorist' org. by the USA. Would you mind sharing the source of your Info. I searched the DOS list but could not find RSS http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005/Apr/27-320736.html Who are the apples of your eyes? The Gujaratis who massacred and burnt alive thousands of their fellow Gujarati men, women and children under Nerobhai Modis able leadership? Or the Hindu Congresswallas who massacred Sikhs? May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. Then it must be in august company with the RSS , which too has been listed as a 'terrorist' org. by the USA. And that would mean India was a terrorist state, having been headed by a dyed in the saffron RSSwalla. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
I think you are correct KC. The RSS was never on the State Dept. List, but a US think-tank did do so. That is NOT the same thing as the US putting the RSS on the s?*t list. And even if it did, that is a problem for the RSS. Narendra Modi was denied a US Visa and he was upset. And that would mean India was a terrorist state, having been headed by a dyed in the saffron RSSwalla. This statement wants to *desperately* show that all India is RSS. The BJP was in power, *then lost it,* and may win again. Democracy is in action here. To make India look as if it is ALL RSS is like saying that the US is all a Right-Wing Christian nation because the GOP is in power. Both patently untrue, and we all know it. --Ram On 10/15/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then it must be in august company with the RSS , which too has been listed as a 'terrorist' org. by the USA. Would you mind sharing the source of your Info. I searched the DOS list but could not find RSS http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005/Apr/27-320736.html Who are the apples of your eyes? The Gujaratis who massacred and burnt alive thousands of their fellow Gujarati men, women and children under Nerobhai Modis able leadership? Or the Hindu Congresswallas who massacred Sikhs? May I remind you ULFA is branded a terrorist organization by USA in 2005. Then it must be in august company with the RSS , which too has been listed as a 'terrorist' org. by the USA. And that would mean India was a terrorist state, having been headed by a dyed in the saffron RSSwalla. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Yes. I agree with you Utpal. 1. Have an open mind when we are discussing real life problems. We are not in any competition, but trying to work for a better life in Assam. 2. No name calling. No abuse of semantic 'wisdom' to browbeat others to reticence. 3. No threats, insinuations - overt or covert. I personally believe that an quintessential Oxomiya is different from an Indian (beyond the chicken- neck) and the American (for instance), because of his innate sensitivity or sentimentality, by whatever name you describe that trait. In case of a Bengali you may have to use pungent remark, in case of a Haryanvi you may have to use slang and in case of an American, may be you have to wield a gun in addition to hard-talk, but a very gentle admonition may send an Oxomiya reeling in pain. So, let us behave like an Oxomiya, when we are discussing Oxom. If some good comes out of this apparently futile activity, it will be for the people of Assam. utpal borpujari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Ruby Bhuyan has said in his/her mail (There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom.) is really, really very important. I hope when we are having any debate or discussion, we argue out our aims and motives in this spirit rather than trying to project views not matching those of ours in a negative light just to score a debating point. Utpal Borpujari - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Uttam Kumar Borthakur - Share files, take polls, and discuss your passions - all under one roof. Click here.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Very well said. rgds Mridul Bhuyan utpal borpujari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Ruby Bhuyan has said in his/her mail (There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom.) is really, really very important. I hope when we are having any debate or discussion, we argue out our aims and motives in this spirit rather than trying to project views not matching those of ours in a negative light just to score a debating point. Utpal Borpujari - Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Images by Graphics Factory.com - Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] on plebisite
Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005 http://www.uknow.gse.harvard.edu/index.html (Edu info) http://hbswk.hbs.edu/ (Management Info) www.gse.harvard.edu/iep (where the above 2 are used ) http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/ - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh *ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand,* I am on **Assam**'s side* as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? -- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Goodhttp://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.htmlthis month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell]
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.htmlYahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Umesh Sharma Washington D.C. 1-202-215-4328 [Cell] Ed.M. - International Education Policy Harvard Graduate School of Education, Harvard University, Class of 2005
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
You are blaming Indian and Gujarat state govt for killing innocents -- is that your defense for ULFA's killing innocents in Assam . Is it? You defend mass murderers by saying others do it -- .Do you support terrorism? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta)2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty and this movement? Thats bad even from a poll that one doesn't trust. It is encouraging to note that that some 43% sent in their votes thru surface mail. Any reasons why the PCG did not publish the results? Also, does this result in any way match up with those conducted by the Assam Public Works (or Service) group? - For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] on plebisite
Bird of a feather - no doubt!!! ULFA and their supporters - yucks!! Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta)2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house interrogation poll? At 11:55 AM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: Jeeez.. only 5% support sovereignty
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
At 7:00 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: You are blaming Indian and Gujarat state govt for killing innocents -- is that your defense for ULFA's killing innocents in Assam . Is it? Is it out of line? Certainly the number of their own people killed by Indians far outnumbers ULFA has ever done. Indian army has killed over a hundred thousand Nagas since the fifties. And over twenty thousand Mizos. What is your defense of that? What is YOUR defence on that account? Do you support terrorism? It depends. I do defend fighting the terrorism of Indian armed forces on the people of the NE. You defend mass murderers by saying others do it -- .Do you support terrorism? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That should pretty much place those who are for Assam's continued servitude in a huge majority and thus pave the way for a plebiscite to put an end to the speculations, wouldn't it? Why even bother about Assam Public Works' house to house
Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers
C-da, Now you say that Indians killed more Indians than ULFA did -- is that your logic?? Let me tell you India is a country of 1 billion people - I think you have been away from India for too much time . You cannot compare apples and a poisonous berry. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers At 7:00 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: You are blaming Indian and Gujarat state govt for killing innocents -- is that your defense for ULFA's killing innocents in Assam . Is it? Is it out of line? Certainly the number of their own people killed by Indians far outnumbers ULFA has ever done. Indian army has killed over a hundred thousand Nagas since the fifties. And over twenty thousand Mizos. What is your defense of that? What is YOUR defence on that account? Do you support terrorism? It depends. I do defend fighting the terrorism of Indian armed forces on the people of the NE. You defend mass murderers by saying others do it -- .Do you support terrorism? Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: [Assam] on plebisite - ULFA the mass murderers I would suggest you ask that question of Narendar Modi and BJP an RSS. about what they did in Gujarat post Godhra Or for that matter the Congresswallas who wiped out thousands of Sikhs after Indira Gandhi's assassination. At 2:04 PM -0700 10/14/07, umesh sharma wrote: Mr ULFA alias Mr Ruby (who surrendered long back as per BBC) alias... WHat do you say about the coming anniversary of 67 civilians killed by ULFA in Eastern Assam in Jan 2006? Is that what you call Assam's interests? y becoming Adi Amin or Pol Pot what do you seek for Assam? Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07, Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a toothless UN can't do a lick. Dilli has a billion people behind it. The people of Assam need yOU far more than Dilli does. Thanks, C'da. But, you misunderstand, I am on Assam's side as opposed to being on Dilli's side. Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) And, C'da, Assam needs you more than they will ever need me. --Ram --Ram On 10
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Rubi Bhuyan and her/his acolytes may be excused for having the intellect of bellicose bumpkin,but what about those kharkhowas,both native and overseas with king-size brain,who have failed to understand as to why sovereignty is not the panacea of all ills of Assam.Will Assam be led to an Utopian state only if Delhi stop being the barrier ? I have already explained that there are plenty of areas in which the Center simply can't and does not interfere with the state.The developmental pace in those areas can be matched with that of the snail's.That's why we have to set our house in order first before screaming for sovereignty.It simply does not make sense. If you cannot walk straight on a tarred road,why do you ask for a pair of special Nike shoes to walk up the hill ? KJD On 10/14/07, Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07,* umesh sharma* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh *ulfa_ 1979April7 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] * * wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07,* Chan Mahanta* [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/11/07,* Ram Sarangapani* http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe a plebiscite is not a bad idea at all. atleast Now, what I am not sure of is being on ULFa's side is synonymous with seeking Assam's interests? :) That is a pathetic spin Ram. IF you are for an end to the conflict, and ULFA agrees to abide by the verdict of the people, why do you invent excuses like that to avoid the plebiscite, unless you really do not believe what you profess, that the people don't want sovereignty? At 2:26 PM -0600 10/10/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote: C'da, You know me well enough to know that I don't carry water for anybody - GOI included. And does it really matter where I stand? Well, if you must, I don't like a plebicite. I seriously think its a red-herring for anyone interested in the well-being of Assam (both the pro/against sovereignty people). I think the results of a plebicite will not be helpful to anyone. It will lead to a much bigger, and unmanageable mess from which Assam will never get out of.Each side will bicker and moan about fraud, etc and a
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At 9:57 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Rubi Bhuyan and her/his acolytes may be excused for having the intellect of bellicose bumpkin,but what about those kharkhowas,both native and overseas with king-size brain,who have failed to understand as to why sovereignty is not the panacea of all ills of Assam. WHO has suggested sovereignty to be the panacea ? Sovereignty is a tool. It is NOT the end, It is actually the BEGINNING. The real hard work comes after that. But without it Assam cannot make the changes it needs to do, to begin to move forward. How can I say that? Take a look at your OWN observations about what has been happening to Assam, before and since ULFA's emergence. Why does nothing happen there, in spite of that vaulted universal adult franchise? Don't you want to know? What seems to be the problem? That's why we have to set our house in order first Indeed so. How do you suggest it be done? By abolishing desi-demokrasy and putting in its place a benevolent or even malevolent dictator? Or thru real demokrasy, unlike the desi kind? or by praying to Gakhir Khowa Ganesh Goxain? If you cannot walk straight on a tarred road,why do you ask for a pair of special Nike shoes to walk up the hill ? Not only do I not not know anything about tarred roads, but I walked barefoot to school, uphill both ways. Will Assam be led to an Utopian state only if Delhi stop being the barrier ? I have already explained that there are plenty of areas in which the Center simply can't and does not interfere with the state.The developmental pace in those areas can be matched with that of the snail' s.That's why we have to set our house in order first before screaming for sovereignty.It simply does not make sense. If you cannot walk straight on a tarred road,why do you ask for a pair of special Nike shoes to walk up the hill ? KJD On 10/14/07, Chan Mahanta mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Birds of a feather no doubt :-). The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted. Why? We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. And that means what? What is that adult franchise sired govt . doing for Assam's development? Shouldn't we ask that first, instead of asking that of Ruby who does not have power, does not have resources, and doers not control the population with military force? Are we unable to muster even that bit of common sense? At 7:34 PM -0500 10/14/07, kamal deka wrote: Umesh,you have raised the most poignant and relevant question. Despite a miserable track records of successive Govt.of Assam in day-to-day administration or in law-and-order or civic affairssubjects in which the Center just can't and does not poke its nose---ULFA is issuing the call for sovereignty.Sovereignty for what ? For running personal fiefdoms ? The call to hold a plebiscite is unwarranted.We have a Government out there in Assam,elected by the universal adult franchise inspite of the fact that the ULFA gave a clarion call to boycott the election. KJD On 10/14/07, umesh sharma mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Ruby, What is your plan for Assam's development - since you say you want Assam's development? Umesh ulfa_ 1979April7 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hon'able netter, We felt it necessary to add our comment to the above discussion thread between Ram Sarangapani and Chandan Mahanta. Yes indeed, the ULFA is still totally committed, as before, to honour the verdict of a plebiscite on the restoration of the Sovereignty of Asom held under the auspices of the United Nations. The ULFA certainly made this declaration before anybody else. Bringing this up in this discussion forum by yourselves is very commendable. But we would like to make it clear here that we do not want any migrant from India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar etcetera since 1947 to take part in this plebiscite in defining the future direction of Asom. Ram Sarangapani, you are a regular contributor in the AssamNet forum. Your explicit expression of support to stand by Assam (Asom)and her people reflects your wisdom. There are many who may not support the ULFA, but, the most important thing is for all is to standby the people of Asom. We would like to ask you not to support the views and actions of the selfish ones who are just taking advantage of the situation. Instead, be with the majority and work for real peace to return to Asom. Rubi Bhuyan Central Publicity member, ULFA 1. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Chan Mahanta) 2. Re: Please take part in the opinion poll (Ram Sarangapani) On 10/10/07, Chan Mahanta http://uk.f269.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
