Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-10 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Just as a follow up on this thread, I decided to go for the Digium 412P quad port card. Thanks to everyone who commented, positively and negatively - it helped provide a balanced view in the end. Julian. Matt Florell wrote: > On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Julian

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium:

2007-10-06 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Matt Florell wrote: > On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I need to install the new card in a dell 2850 or 2950 or possibly even a >> HP DL360. Anyone have some comments on this ? > > Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards > on multiple br

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Matt, > > Matt Florell wrote: > > On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > >>> Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > Nothing from me is posting to the list either. > > >>> heh. T

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Erik Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/6/07, Matt Florell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards > > on multiple brand-new Dell servers. This is the only vendor that has > > consistently given me problems with t

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Thanks Matt, Matt Florell wrote: > On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: >>> Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: Nothing from me is posting to the list either. >>> heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. >>> >>> I've been trying

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Erik Anderson
On 10/6/07, Matt Florell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do not use Dell. I have had issues with both Sangoma and Digium cards > on multiple brand-new Dell servers. This is the only vendor that has > consistently given me problems with telco-interface cards. I'll have to refute this. Every single

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Matt Florell
On 10/6/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > > Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > >> Nothing from me is posting to the list either. > >> > > > > heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. > > > > I've been trying to send the email below for 3 da

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread randulo
On 10/5/07, Julian Lyndon-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have looked at the recent threads regarding these two manufacturers, > but there didn't seem to be much *technical* differences between the 2, > it was rather more subjective - some people say Sangoma is better, some > say Digium. And q

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-06 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: >> Nothing from me is posting to the list either. >> > > heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. > > I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! > > I know this is probably going to ignite the flames again ..

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Totaro wrote: > Thomas Kenyon wrote: >> Steve Murphy wrote: >>> Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! >>> >>> Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why >>> you >>> should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Matthew Fredrickson wrote: > Yeah, and while we're on such things, I think that vi beats the pants > off of emacs :-) vim to be precise. but on the other hand emacs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMac) can run asterisk - vim can't. :-P Cheers, Philipp Kempgen -- amooma GmbH - Bachstr. 126 -

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Matthew Fredrickson
Brian West wrote: > I think the horse has been long dead! > > /b Yeah, and while we're on such things, I think that vi beats the pants off of emacs :-) -- Matthew Fredrickson Software/Firmware Engineer Digium, Inc. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Pro

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
I think the horse has been long dead! /b ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 15:20:19 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:52:24PM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: > > On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: > > > I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of > > > Asterisk as much as I do for or against Sang

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 15:08:56 Brian West wrote: > On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: > > When you contribute code to Asterisk, you retain ownership of your > > code. You > > are NOT disclaiming the contribution; you are LICENSING the > > contribution. > > This is an important

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 02:52:24PM -0500, Tilghman Lesher wrote: > On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: > > I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk > > as much as I do for or against Sangoma or Rhino or one of the Chinese knock > > offs in support of

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
The distinction doesn't matter because in the end they can do what ever they want with the code you disclaim to them. The whole thing is very political and pointless to hash over and over again. /b On Oct 5, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote: When you contribute code to Asterisk, you

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 01:26:58PM -0500, Lacy Moore wrote: > I was completely against the dual licensing in the beginning. But now, I'm > leaning more towards understanding it and the importance of it, especially > as it related to US Patent laws. We're going to find that everything is > patente

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
ent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:35 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Jared Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: >> I used to buy Digium products until they

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 05 October 2007 12:52:41 shadowym wrote: > I disagree with any argument for or against Digium in support of Asterisk > as much as I do for or against Sangoma or Rhino or one of the Chinese knock > offs in support of Asterisk. Digium uses the open source community to > create better comme

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
Jared Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: >> I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of >> quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, "incompatible >> motherboards" and IRQ issues. > > (Let me take off my Digium hat for a minute an

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Lacy Moore
OTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:50 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) > > Brian West wrote: > > Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. > &

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
rs Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: > Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Stephen Bosch
Hi, all: I think everybody is entitled to their biases, and I have to say that -- far from seeing this as a flame-war or otherwise tedious -- I think it's great that we're having this discussion and getting open and honest input from Digium staffers. We want to hear your thoughts and feelings

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread shadowym
day, October 05, 2007 8:09 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too) Brian West wrote: > Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They > also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWI

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Jared Smith
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 11:32 -0400, Steve Totaro wrote: > I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of > quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, "incompatible > motherboards" and IRQ issues. (Let me take off my Digium hat for a minute and speak as a community membe

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Jason Parker
Lee Howard wrote: > The report appears to have been reaped from Mantis, but I was involved > with a contribution from OpenVOX for zaptel, and from my perspective it > looked like the Digium staff involved killed it and never gave any > indication that the contribution would be accepted. I assum

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Murphy
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 08:05 -0500, Brian West wrote: > Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. > They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other > software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of > Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional fo

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Russell Bryant
Lee Howard wrote: > Any Digium competitor is immediately on unequal footing with respect to > Asterisk due to the dual-license and requisite disclaiming of > contributions. You're asking those competitors to contribute not only > to the open-source Asterisk, but also to contribute to Digium's A

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
I think Lee Howard nailed it. /b ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com-- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
Thomas Kenyon wrote: > Steve Murphy wrote: >> Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! >> >> Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why >> you >> should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a >> chunk >> of the purchas

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Russell Bryant
Brian West wrote: > Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. Which contributions are you talking about, exactly? I know that they paid someone to write app_dictate a couple of years ago, but that is the only thing I can think of that has come through since I have been in

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Lee Howard
Matthew Fredrickson wrote: >Not to ignite any fires, but I don't think I've *ever* knowingly >received a patch to libpri or chan_zap from them. And I've fixed a few >protocol related bugs in libpri for people with Sangoma cards. It'd be >nice if they at the very least supported the protocol s

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Totaro
This is really a silly debate. I used to buy Digium products until they let me down with all kinds of quirky behavior with regards to echo, clicks, "incompatible motherboards" and IRQ issues. I read all the success and praises of Sangoma on this list and thought I would give them a try. Guess

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Matthew Fredrickson
Brian West wrote: > Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They > also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software > that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs > Sangoma is very emotional for some. I see it as competitio

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Thomas Kenyon
Steve Murphy wrote: > > Oh, Julian, I'd imagine what I'm about to say will fuel some flames! > > Here's a fairly powerful argument for all you asterisk users, as to why > you > should purchase a Digium product vs. a Sangoma: Because Digium uses a > chunk > of the purchase money to support Asteris

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
Kevin, Thats good to know. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, Brian PS: did you ever talk to mark about zaptel.h ? On Oct 5, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Kevin P. Fleming wrote: Those drivers would be there (as are the Xorcom XPP drivers) if they were properly submitted and met our coding guideline

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Brian West wrote: > open market and an open platform. Rhino makes hardware that plugs into > zaptel but yet I don't see their drivers in the zaptel repo... I don't > see many of the third party hardware drivers in the zaptel repo. Those drivers would be there (as are the Xorcom XPP drivers) if

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Brian West
Sangoma has contributed to Asterisk in the past and they still do. They also have contributed to Yate, FreeSWITCH and various other software that is capable of using their hardware. This argument of Digium vs Sangoma is very emotional for some. I see it as competition is good and drives

Re: [asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Steve Murphy
On Fri, 2007-10-05 at 13:06 +0100, Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > > Nothing from me is posting to the list either. > > > > heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. > > I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! > > I know this is probab

[asterisk-users] Sangoma vs Digium: (was Re: ping too)

2007-10-05 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote: > Nothing from me is posting to the list either. > heh. Thought that this trick would work: it did for Doug. I've been trying to send the email below for 3 days now ! I know this is probably going to ignite the flames again .. I have looked at the recent threads rega

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-09 Thread Craig Guy
riginal Message - From: "Max W Blackmer Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 5:46 AM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium > > spending over $A10,000 in the process. T

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-08 Thread Max W Blackmer Jr
> spending over $A10,000 in the process. The cards are more expensive than > the server they're going into (Dell poweredge 750's). When a GPL'd hardware It is obvious that you have never experienced high end servers. We have had a single server cost as much as $20,000 and that is nothing but hig

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-08 Thread Steve Underwood
Depends what you mean by "in use". You will find BRI listed as a service option in most countries. including China and the US. Installed lines is different matter. They are so rare in most places that if you order one it will be the technician's first install, and they will have enough problem

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-08 Thread Steve Underwood
Dinesh Nair wrote: On 04/01/05 00:00 Matthew Boehm said the following: Steve Underwood wrote: And your EU bias is clearly demonstrated by this. I've never seen a BRI product outside he EU. :-) Come to Houston, TX. We were running a BRI for quite some time before upgrading to a T1. ahem, ISDN BR

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Brancaleoni Matteo
Hi Il giorno ven, 08-04-2005 alle 10:24 +1200, Matt Riddell ha scritto: > Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: > > I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. > > Ahh I beg to differ. > > I resell both Digium and Sangoma gear and provide full installation > support for both. after

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Matt Riddell
Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. Ahh I beg to differ. I resell both Digium and Sangoma gear and provide full installation support for both. -- Cheers, Matt Riddell ___ http://www.sineapps.com/

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Timothy Costello
PU's, WRT54G's, etc. [/rant] Craig - Original Message - From: "Peter Svensson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium On Thu, 7 Apr

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Rich Adamson
> On April 7, 2005 01:53 pm, Craig Guy wrote: > > the server they're going into (Dell poweredge 750's). When a GPL'd > > hardware design costs more than an entire proprietary server (including > > chassis, motherboard, dual hard disks and remote access card) then there is > > something very wrong

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On April 7, 2005 01:53 pm, Craig Guy wrote: > the server they're going into (Dell poweredge 750's). When a GPL'd > hardware design costs more than an entire proprietary server (including > chassis, motherboard, dual hard disks and remote access card) then there is > something very wrong in the ma

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Craig Guy
t - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium > On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: > > > I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. > > They allow resellers

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Thorsten lockert
On Apr 7, 2005, at 4:11, Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: Please find an hardware producer that sells directly to endusers, when they have also distributors/resellers. Apple. The way is: if you have resellers, sell through them. if not directly to end user. Ever been to an Apple store? Thorsten _

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Richard Lyman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, I don't know much about DIgium, but I am comparing the distribution policy with what exists elsewhere in the market and other sectors. Digium do sell online and so many other of their resellers do. The important point is that they don't sell lower cost than their re

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Scott Stingel
Peter Svensson wrote: Resellers are almost universally a useless money-sink. Most add no value at all, they are simply another logistics point. Distributors, on the other hand, are usually very knowlegable and are able to support their customers (the resellers) quite well. My advice: always *

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Dana Olson
On Apr 7, 2005 6:20 AM, Matteo Brancaleoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sangoma doesn't do that. they don't sell directly, thus allowing > resellers to have a money gain and pay the time to support the end > user. Actually, they do sell directly. I emailed them a short time ago, and they gave me

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread dean collins
Lol - Cisco for one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matteo Brancaleoni Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Adam Goryachev
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 13:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, > > Most hardware manufacturers I know sell directly at retail price. Most I know/dealt with don't (but hey, I don't really deal with 'hardware manufacturers'... I'm probably more of a retail customer > In voip Business and f

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Peter Svensson
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Matteo Brancaleoni wrote: > I hate to say that, but the problem is that Digium doesn't do this. > They allow resellers to do market dumping, by not imposing fixed > list prices to resellers, they also compete with they're own > distributors/resellers by offering the cards onlin

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread ht
Yes, Most hardware manufacturers I know sell directly at retail price. In voip Business and from my experience, you can order Quintum gateways from Quintum Technologies right away at retail price. You can always get them cheaper from reseller. GSM devices manufacturers sell direct as well althoug

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Matteo Brancaleoni
Hi, Il giorno gio, 07-04-2005 alle 13:02 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: > Digium do sell online and so many other of their resellers do. The important > point is that they don't sell lower cost than their resellers, which is the > case. Please find an hardware producer that sells directly t

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread ht
Matteo, I don't know much about DIgium, but I am comparing the distribution policy with what exists elsewhere in the market and other sectors. Digium do sell online and so many other of their resellers do. The important point is that they don't sell lower cost than their resellers, which is the c

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Matteo Brancaleoni
Hi, > Digium, the service is problematic. Well, I believe that Digium should > services it's channels, the channels should support the resellers and the > resellers should support > The customers. I don't think that any company, no matter what its size or > function is, could support the end users

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Nir Simionovich
o: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium >> Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty >> much better. > > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're > put

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
cpu load on te4xxp cards is very low, and now that they have echo cancellers as add-ons cards, it will be even lower. I can't speak on hardware compatibility as i never tried a sangoma card. (But i can say that in the last year i've never had an issue with digium cards and we have 8 in use.) The te

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
What about pricing of the Sangoma compared to Digium, is it comparable? about the same. last i checked the digium te410 was $1599 and the 4-port e1/t1 card from sangom was $1699. Can Sangoma card handle modem data incoming calls at all? iirc, modem data is just voice/noise :P. roy ___

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-07 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Technically speaking not. But Sangoma's support seems to be pretty much better. My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting the dagger to Digium. They're glad to use Asterisk as a selling point for their hardware, but unwilling to donate anything back to the Asteris

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-04 Thread Dana Olson
On Mar 31, 2005 1:44 PM, Dana Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:37:19 -0600, Rich Adamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma > > > > > we're putting the dagger to Digium. > > > > > > > > If anything "puts the dagger

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-04 Thread Michael Bielicki
BRI's are in use in roughly 2/3 of the world with the US and I think China being the main exceptions. On Apr 4, 2005 9:37 AM, Dinesh Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 04/01/05 00:00 Matthew Boehm said the following: > > Steve Underwood wrote: > > > > > >>And your EU bias is clearly demons

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-04 Thread Dinesh Nair
On 04/01/05 00:00 Matthew Boehm said the following: Steve Underwood wrote: And your EU bias is clearly demonstrated by this. I've never seen a BRI product outside he EU. :-) Come to Houston, TX. We were running a BRI for quite some time before upgrading to a T1. ahem, ISDN BRIs are fairly commo

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-02 Thread Cory Andrews
I have been told the Digium echo cancellation product will be shipping soon, as well as a new version of the IAXy, which looks to have a new form factor, I'm guessing to help with heat dissipation on the units. Cory Andrews Senior Partner +++ VOIPSupply.com A Subsidiary of b2 Technologie

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-02 Thread Chris Modesitt
Eric Wrote: > > Digium has a hardware echo can? >Not shipping, according to their online store. Crap!, I spend all my time reading emails from this list, now I have to check Digium's online store twice a day so I can get my hands on one of those cards!! Chris. ___

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-01 Thread Richard Scobie
David Brodbeck wrote: -Original Message- From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps you have an earlier hardware revision than I do; I also have never rebooted the system. I have two TDM04Bs. If so, they must have sold me old stock. I bought the cards less than two months ago

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-04-01 Thread David Brodbeck
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Perhaps you have an earlier hardware revision than I do; I also have > never rebooted the system. I have two TDM04Bs. If so, they must have sold me old stock. I bought the cards less than two months ago.

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Isamar Maia
> Remco Barende wrote: > > > > > It would be nice if Digium would accept the bristuff patch at some > > stage and include it in asterisk. > > GPL code cannot go into the Asterisk distribution. > Yes Steve. That's right. I have heard that any code going inside Asterisk distribution needs to give a "

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Craig Guy
Boehm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium > Brian Capouch wrote: > > > I'll be glad to stand corrected, but if that asse

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Craig Guy
From: "Steve Underwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Eric Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium > Eric Bishop wrot

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread David Brodbeck
> -Original Message- > From: Dana Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Alright, that helps clarify it a bit, but then again, I have been > running Asterisk at home with a TDM card for a couple months and > haven't had to restart it for a long time. Is it a requirement or just > simply a recom

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread tmassey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/31/2005 02:24:11 PM: > > -Original Message- > > From: Rich Adamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Its an odd thing. Some people have to reload, others don't, and there > > has been no effort to determine why it occurs. I've got two systems > > that do have t

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread mattf
- Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium Do you think Digium has enough money for that? I don't know how large Sangoma is, but they've been around almost as long as I have... I think it'd be a great idea though, if they have the cash for it.. I

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Scott Nelson
I didnt have to do a single restart in about 2 million calls on te4xpp so far. I'm happy for you. But my TDM04B will stop responding after about two weeks, even if there are zero calls during that time. I found that out when I set up my test server. Currently, I have a script that shuts down As

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread David Brodbeck
> -Original Message- > From: Rich Adamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Its an odd thing. Some people have to reload, others don't, and there > has been no effort to determine why it occurs. I've got two systems > that do have to be reloaded regularly. Go figure. These kinds of erratic inte

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Andrew Thrift
BRI is in extensive use in New Zealand and Australia, in fact by default if you are a business and have up to 16 lines in NZ, Telecom will deliver them over BRI's. Steve Underwood wrote: > Eric Bishop wrote: > >> True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack >> of a BRI

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Tom
s. Not sure how Sangoma would feel about this idea though. > > MATT--- > > > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Boehm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:30 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [A

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread David Brodbeck
> -Original Message- > From: Rich Adamson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I'll jump in here (but I'm not the original poster). The "once a week" > thing relates to the digium TDM card (fxo and/or fxs modules). I don't > believe the T1 cards are an issue that requires driver reloads. I'm the o

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Eric Wieling aka ManxPower
present != ship Zoa wrote: Yes they do, it was presented at von. Its a little daughterboard for te4xxp cards. Jerry wrote: Digium has a hardware echo can? ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://lists.digium.com/mailman/list

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Matthew Boehm
Jerry wrote: > On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Zoa wrote: > >> >> cpu load on te4xxp cards is very low, and now that they have echo >> cancellers as add-ons cards, it will be even lower. >> I can't speak on hardware compatibility as i never tried a sangoma >> card. >> (But i can say that in the last y

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Dana Olson
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:37:19 -0600, Rich Adamson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma > > > > we're putting the dagger to Digium. > > > > > > If anything "puts the dagger" to Digium it'll be their own inability to > > > engineer reliable hardw

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Dana Olson
> -Original Message- > From: Matthew Boehm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:30 AM > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium > > Brian Capouch wrote: > > > I&#

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Zoa
Yes they do, it was presented at von. Its a little daughterboard for te4xxp cards. Jerry wrote: Digium has a hardware echo can? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com http://l

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Eric Wieling aka ManxPower
Jerry wrote: On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Zoa wrote: cpu load on te4xxp cards is very low, and now that they have echo cancellers as add-ons cards, it will be even lower. I can't speak on hardware compatibility as i never tried a sangoma card. (But i can say that in the last year i've never had an

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Rich Adamson
> > > > > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma > > > > > we're putting the dagger to Digium. > > > > > > > > If anything "puts the dagger" to Digium it'll be their own inability to > > > > engineer reliable hardware. > > > > > > > > I appreciate what Digium has done for Asteris

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Rich Adamson
> > > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma > > > we're putting the dagger to Digium. > > > > If anything "puts the dagger" to Digium it'll be their own inability to > > engineer reliable hardware. > > > > I appreciate what Digium has done for Asterisk, but reliability expecta

[Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Chad Wicker
Well this takes up to the core issues of many open source developments. Basically, Digium makes money from selling hardware and support services. Competition on the hardware side should be fine as long as the Competition is responsible to the open source community by re-investing a portion of the

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Steve Underwood
Remco Barende wrote: It would be nice if Digium would accept the bristuff patch at some stage and include it in asterisk. GPL code cannot go into the Asterisk distribution. Regards, Steve ___ Asterisk-Users mailing list Asterisk-Users@lists.digium.com ht

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Steven Critchfield
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 10:00 -0500, David Brodbeck wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma > > we're putting the dagger to Digium. > > If anything "puts the dagger" to Digium it'll be t

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Jeremy Jones
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 02:43 -0500, Brian Capouch wrote: > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma we're putting > the dagger to Digium. Come on! If Digium started manufacturing tires, would i need to put 'em on my car to keep on the favorable side of karma? Digium makes tel

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread David Brodbeck
> -Original Message- > From: Zoa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I didnt have to do a single restart in about 2 million calls on te4xpp > so far. I'm happy for you. But my TDM04B will stop responding after about two weeks, even if there are zero calls during that time. I found that out when

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Dana Olson
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:00:12 -0500, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Brian Capouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > My understanding is that to an extent when we buy Sangoma > > we're putting the dagger to Digium. > > If anything "puts the dagger"

RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread dean collins
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Steve Underwood wrote: > Eric Bishop wrote: > > >True. I think Digium's USA bias is clearly demonstrated by their lack > >of a BRI ISDN product. Most of the rest of the world use it in > >abudn

Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sangoma VS. Digium

2005-03-31 Thread Jerry
On Mar 31, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Zoa wrote: cpu load on te4xxp cards is very low, and now that they have echo cancellers as add-ons cards, it will be even lower. I can't speak on hardware compatibility as i never tried a sangoma card. (But i can say that in the last year i've never had an issue with

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