Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-25 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Monday 24 December 2007 10:30:57 Dovid B wrote: While this encourages me to use 1.4 at the same time it makes me wonder why Digium waited that long... Because IT has other things to do than upgrade the PBX? Which makes for a good answer to Olle's original

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-24 Thread Anthony Francis
Axel Thimm wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:40:32PM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: Olle E Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But on the other hand, if people rely on third-party distributions we might want to set up some kind of peer pressure on the maintainers - and possibly

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-24 Thread MatsK
Anthony Francis wrote: Axel Thimm wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:40:32PM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: Olle E Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But on the other hand, if people rely on third-party distributions we might want to set up some kind of peer pressure on the

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 04:11:30AM -0700, Anthony Francis wrote: Asterisk is fairly easy to build, I don't see why it needs to be in a repo. IMO Why does it need to be in a tarball? Isn't it simpler to just grab from an SVN tag? There are many benefits to a reproducable build. Also consider

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-24 Thread Patrick
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 04:11 -0700, Anthony Francis wrote: Axel Thimm wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:40:32PM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: Olle E Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But on the other hand, if people rely on third-party distributions we might want to set up

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-24 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 04:11 -0700, Anthony Francis wrote: Axel Thimm wrote: On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:40:32PM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: Olle E Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But on the other hand, if people rely on third-party distributions we might want to set up

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-24 Thread Dovid B
- Original Message - From: Tilghman Lesher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! On Friday 21

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-24 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Monday 24 December 2007 10:30:57 Dovid B wrote: Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Friday 21 December 2007 13:16:17 Matt wrote: It may be a year old.. but until Digium is drinking their own dog food.. I won't be using it. I beg your pardon. The Digium IVR has been on 1.4 since about April

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-22 Thread Axel Thimm
On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 10:40:32PM +0100, Benny Amorsen wrote: Olle E Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But on the other hand, if people rely on third-party distributions we might want to set up some kind of peer pressure on the maintainers - and possibly identify them so we can support

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-21 Thread Remco Barendse
I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. Just tried an in-place upgrade on my home box : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/asterisk-addons-1.4.5' for x in app_addon_sql_mysql.so app_saycountpl.so cdr_addon_mysql.so res_config_mysql.so; do /usr/bin/install -c -m 755 $x

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-21 Thread dave cantera
remco, I just had the same problem/error on my CLI when I added a polycom shoretel IP-100 phone to my network and enabled mgcp... couldn't figure out how to get that working yet... I don't think it is related to 1.4 as I have been running 1.4 has been running for over a year now without that

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-21 Thread Matt
It may be a year old.. but until Digium is drinking their own dog food.. I won't be using it. On Dec 21, 2007 9:26 AM, dave cantera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: remco, I just had the same problem/error on my CLI when I added a polycom shoretel IP-100 phone to my network and enabled mgcp...

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-21 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Friday 21 December 2007 13:16:17 Matt wrote: It may be a year old.. but until Digium is drinking their own dog food.. I won't be using it. I beg your pardon. The Digium IVR has been on 1.4 since about April or so. -- Tilghman ___ --Bandwidth

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-21 Thread Johansson Olle E
21 dec 2007 kl. 10.12 skrev Remco Barendse: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. Just tried an in-place upgrade on my home box : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/asterisk-addons-1.4.5' for x in app_addon_sql_mysql.so app_saycountpl.so cdr_addon_mysql.so

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-20 Thread Dovid B
-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! dovid... while this seems like a good idea to have both sip show channels and show channels sip having two, three or even four

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
Hi On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 12:19:08AM -0500, dave cantera wrote: ok, here is my $0.02... I created a script since I had to install/update so often and for various reasons... you can choose to compile automatically or manually... modify the current release numbers, your repository, and

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread dave cantera
tzafrir, thanks for the note. btw, Great docs! asciidocs looks cool too! thanks! daveC Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Hi On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 12:19:08AM -0500, dave cantera wrote: ok, here is my $0.02... I created a script since I had to install/update so often and for various

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Patrick
Hi Steve, On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 19:43 -0800, Steve Edwards wrote: The old syntax was inconsistent -- show manager command vs sip show channels and just plain bad -- for example sip reload should have been reload sip. I agree. Reload sip would be the logical thing. [snip] Approach the

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Patrick
Hi Olle, On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 08:20 +0100, Johansson Olle E wrote: [snip] The old way was a mess. We had two different systems, one like your old show and one syntax starting with the module name. We had to move forward with only one syntax and decided to go for modulename verb which

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread James Collier
Discussion Asunto: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Johansson Olle E wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. How about the change from a bad command line interface to a really bad command line interface? I mean

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:40:21PM +0100, James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. You should use color instead of black to make the comparison more valid. show dog color Doesn't sound right (Here's a colour for you, doggy. Fetch!). -- Tzafrir Cohen

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs is not a verb. core show black dogs or dogs show black would be the correct form. -- Tilghman ___

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread MatsK
Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs is not a verb. core show black dogs or dogs show black would be the correct form. Could this CLI syntax move over

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Patrick
On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 08:33 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs is not a verb. core show black dogs or dogs show black would be the correct form. Sorry

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Steve Edwards
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Patrick wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 08:33 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs is not a verb. core show black dogs or dogs show black

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 09:31:02 Patrick wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 08:33 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs is not a verb. core show black

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Steve Edwards
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, MatsK wrote: Steve Edwards wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Patrick wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 08:33 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread MatsK
Steve Edwards wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Patrick wrote: On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 08:33 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs is not a

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Tony Plack
We're not discussing code or the inner workings of Asterisk or even changing the functionality of Asterisk, just what the proper order of the words should be. Most of us users are people, not parsers. The developers? Well, that's why they're developers :) Thanks in advance, We are

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Drew Gibson
Since we're WAY OT anyway Tony Plack wrote: That being said, ordering in a command structure should make sense to the application (less intelligent entity), not to the programmer (hopefully more intelligent). If that were true then we really should be writing our dialplans in

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Dovid B
- Original Message - From: Steve Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion asterisk-users@lists.digium.com Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! On Sat, 15

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Dovid B
to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:40:21 James Collier wrote: I think it should be core dogs show black. No, that violates the pattern. dogs is not a verb. core show black dogs or dogs show black would be the correct form

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Wednesday 19 December 2007 07:22:18 Patrick wrote: On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 19:43 -0800, Steve Edwards wrote: The old syntax was inconsistent -- show manager command vs sip show channels and just plain bad -- for example sip reload should have been reload sip. I agree. Reload sip would be

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-19 Thread dave cantera
: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Johansson Olle E wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. How about the change from a bad command line interface to a really bad command line interface? I mean, Seriously

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-18 Thread Don Kelly
Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! I would rather the Developers spend their precious time improving the stablilty and reliability than creating a smooth upgrade process. Not that I don't think it is at least as reliable and stable as 1.2

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-18 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Monday 17 December 2007 19:30:46 Don Kelly wrote: Maybe some of the developers could work on stability and reliability while others work on a smooth upgrade process and yet others work on usability. Still others might look at enhancements, rather than considering a PBX as an appliance like

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-18 Thread Ira
At 10:33 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote: At 02:55 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. Because of your message I tried upgrading to 1.4 again Saturday. That was the third or fourth time I've tried and the first time it's lasted more than a few hours

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-18 Thread Steve Edwards
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Johansson Olle E wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. How about the change from a bad command line interface to a really bad command line interface? I mean, Seriously? (in a Grey's Anatomy kind of way...) The old syntax was inconsistent -- show

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-18 Thread John Novack
Steve Edwards wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Johansson Olle E wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. How about the change from a bad command line interface to a really bad command line interface? I mean, Seriously? (in a Grey's Anatomy kind of way...)

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-18 Thread dave cantera
ok, here is my $0.02... I created a script since I had to install/update so often and for various reasons... you can choose to compile automatically or manually... modify the current release numbers, your repository, and source root... all else is automated.. which is unloading zap driver,

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-18 Thread Johansson Olle E
19 dec 2007 kl. 04.43 skrev Steve Edwards: On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Johansson Olle E wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. How about the change from a bad command line interface to a really bad command line interface? Steve, While I don't believe the CLI syntax stops

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread randulo
On Dec 15, 2007 11:57 AM, Johansson Olle E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 SNIP - Not enough reasons to upgrade, since 1.2 really works well - Just a bad karma for 1.4 Hi Olle, It's very simple in my case. I did the install

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Thomas Stein
Hi. The only problem i have is with sending and recieving Faxes. Right now i'm using spandsp an app_rtxfax. This works fine. But there seem to be no spandsp and app_rtx packages in my gentoo. ciao t. -- knowledgeTools® ... managing complexity.

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Remco Barendse
I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. My reasons for not moving to 1.4 : - fear of possible instability problems, my 1.2 servers are rock solid - fear of goofing up with the new way you have to configure asterisk at install time (tell it which modules to build or not

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Tony Mountifield
My reasons for not yet upgrading to 1.4: - I have a lot of customisations to app_meetme, which I will need to port to 1.4. I have procrastinated about doing so because of all the SLA stuff that got grafted into app_meetme during the early 1.4 versions. If I had developed the SLA code, I

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Phil Knighton
Hello As a person who is somewhat a newbie to Asterisk, I have been given the task of preparing our 1.2 installation for upgrade. The thing that has slowed me down is some of the gaps in information on the upgrade process. What's on the Wiki might make complete sense to both experienced Linux

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Monday 17 December 2007 04:17:32 Thomas Stein wrote: The only problem i have is with sending and recieving Faxes. Right now i'm using spandsp an app_rtxfax. This works fine. But there seem to be no spandsp and app_rtx packages in my gentoo. That sounds more like an issue in Gentoo than in

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
17 dec 2007 kl. 10.45 skrev randulo: On Dec 15, 2007 11:57 AM, Johansson Olle E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 SNIP - Not enough reasons to upgrade, since 1.2 really works well - Just a bad karma for 1.4 Hi Olle, It's

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
Tony, Thanks for the feedback! 17 dec 2007 kl. 12.40 skrev Tony Mountifield: - I have a lot of customisations to app_meetme, which I will need to port How about sharing them so we can maintain them in the open source base? :-) - Scare stories about IAX-related lockups in 1.4, due to the

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
17 dec 2007 kl. 14.11 skrev Tilghman Lesher: On Monday 17 December 2007 04:17:32 Thomas Stein wrote: The only problem i have is with sending and recieving Faxes. Right now i'm using spandsp an app_rtxfax. This works fine. But there seem to be no spandsp and app_rtx packages in my gentoo.

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Thomas Stein
On Monday 17 December 2007, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Monday 17 December 2007 04:17:32 Thomas Stein wrote: The only problem i have is with sending and recieving Faxes. Right now i'm using spandsp an app_rtxfax. This works fine. But there seem to be no spandsp and app_rtx packages for 1.4 in

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Leonardo Gomes Figueira
Johansson Olle E wrote: Friends in the Asterisk community, I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 and 1.4 there's been a lot of important development. New code cleanups, optimization, new functions. For Asterisk users in countries that use the MFC/R2

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Remco Barendse wrote: - fear of goofing up with the new way you have to configure asterisk at install time (tell it which modules to build or not build) This step is completely optional. If you don't do anything, it will build the same way that Asterisk 1.2 did (i.e. it will build every

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Tony Plack
- Not enough reasons to upgrade, since 1.2 really works well - Just a bad karma for 1.4 Funny, but my results have been different. I was running on 1.2.17 (and on to 22) for a year and had all sorts of lockups. For me, when I switched to 1.4.5 these things went away. I did find some bugs

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Tony Plack
All I can say is with 1.6, if a change is made that causes something that worked in 1.4 not to work in 1.6, please think twice, three times or four times before making the change, or making the change in such a way that it won't break dialplan stuff from 1.4. Our policy is to never remove

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Atis Lezdins
Tony Plack wrote: All I can say is with 1.6, if a change is made that causes something that worked in 1.4 not to work in 1.6, please think twice, three times or four times before making the change, or making the change in such a way that it won't break dialplan stuff from 1.4. Our policy is

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread dave cantera
phil, I think you are on to it... the best path is to load a new system up with 1.4.x and port your existing dialplan over, test it out, lock it down and then roll it out... I've worked as a UNIX system integrator for 20+ years, worked with open source and custom developed C/C++ code, Ada, and

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Atis Lezdins
On 12/15/07, Johansson Olle E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends in the Asterisk community, I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 and 1.4 there's been a lot of important development. New code cleanups, optimization, new functions. I realize that 1.4 at release

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread John Novack
Phil Knighton wrote: Hello As a person who is somewhat a newbie to Asterisk, I have been given the task of preparing our 1.2 installation for upgrade. The thing that has slowed me down is some of the gaps in information on the upgrade process. What's on the Wiki might make complete sense

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
17 dec 2007 kl. 15.26 skrev Tony Plack: - Not enough reasons to upgrade, since 1.2 really works well - Just a bad karma for 1.4 Funny, but my results have been different. I was running on 1.2.17 (and on to 22) for a year and had all sorts of lockups. For me, when I switched to 1.4.5

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
17 dec 2007 kl. 15.42 skrev Tony Plack: All I can say is with 1.6, if a change is made that causes something that worked in 1.4 not to work in 1.6, please think twice, three times or four times before making the change, or making the change in such a way that it won't break dialplan stuff

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
However 1.4 since release have had some serious changes that blocked our planned upgrades - for example some memory corruption that raised between 1.4.10 and 1.4.12 that was very hard to track down. This shows that having 1.4 in bugfix-only state is not actually working that good - we

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
Agreed. Given that our group has many 1.2 versions working well on CentOS 3.x boxes, and that 1.4 requires either 4 or 5, your option of starting all over is about all that will work. I would like to know a bit more on why Asteirsk 1.4 means that you have to upgrade Centos? (obviously not

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olivier
Hi, To summurize, it seems that one thing preventing people from upgrading is the lack of an upgrading tool : somehow, it should be possible and easy to : - install 2 different versions of Asterisk on the same hardware, - interactively translate config files from one version to another - load

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Ira
At 02:55 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. Because of your message I tried upgrading to 1.4 again Saturday. That was the third or fourth time I've tried and the first time it's lasted more than a few hours before segfaulting and causing me to

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
17 dec 2007 kl. 18.57 skrev Olivier: Hi, To summurize, it seems that one thing preventing people from upgrading is the lack of an upgrading tool : somehow, it should be possible and easy to : - install 2 different versions of Asterisk on the same hardware, - interactively translate

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Olle E Johansson
17 dec 2007 kl. 19.33 skrev Ira: At 02:55 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote: I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. Because of your message I tried upgrading to 1.4 again Saturday. That was the third or fourth time I've tried and the first time it's lasted more than a few hours

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Richard Lyman
Olle E Johansson wrote: *snipped But on the other hand, if people rely on third-party distributions we might want to set up some kind of peer pressure on the maintainers - and possibly identify them so we can support them and speed up their process. /O that is a very important, 'so we

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Saturday 15 December 2007 08:42, Steve Totaro wrote: Johansson Olle E wrote: I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 and 1.4 there's been a lot of important development. New code cleanups, optimization, new functions. When Digium starts using 1.4 in ABE

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread shadowym
PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:27 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! Hello As a person who is somewhat a newbie to Asterisk, I have been given the task of preparing our 1.2

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread shadowym
break it. -Original Message- From: Atis Lezdins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:59 AM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old! On 12/15/07, Johansson Olle E [EMAIL

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
shadowym wrote: I do wish Digium or whoever tests this stuff had a more reliable way of testing software releases rather than relying on feedback from the community. Fonality, for example use what they call a hammer which sounds to me like a bunch of servers running various stress tests on

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Jared Smith
On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 12:00 -0800, shadowym wrote: I do wish Digium or whoever tests this stuff had a more reliable way of testing software releases rather than relying on feedback from the community. Fonality, for example use what they call a hammer which sounds to me like a bunch of servers

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-17 Thread Benny Amorsen
Olle E Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But on the other hand, if people rely on third-party distributions we might want to set up some kind of peer pressure on the maintainers - and possibly identify them so we can support them and speed up their process. Third-party distributions are

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Ira
At 03:54 PM 12/15/2007, you wrote: I'm curious to hear how you would have approached the problem of retrieving multiple columns out of a database and setting each column to its own variable. That is precisely what ARRAY() is designed to accomplish, and it CANNOT be done by letting Set have

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Duncan Turnbull
We build and maintain 7 Asterisk boxes for our customers, I have recently moved 3 to 1.4. I also use iaxmodem and on the last one 1.4.14 I was getting iax thread errors - which was reported as a bug in much earlier versions but apparently fixed. When 1.4.15 came out (two days later) it solved

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Benny Amorsen
Ira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd be happy if they came up with an elegant language with functions, parameters and proper variable scoping while getting rid of line numbers and all the rest of the baggage that shouldn't have been there in the first place. AEL is an attempt to solve

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Benny Amorsen
Olle E Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: asterisk -c starts Asterisk in the foreground and outputs all messages to the console, things that you may not catch otherwise when you start Asterisk in the background. You can do that, but not while Asterisk is running. So it isn't really an

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 10:51 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: If anything broke from the transition from 1.2 to 1.4, it is because you were using something that was deprecated in 1.2. What we had attempted to do in deprecation modes was to print the warning ONCE for each deprecated operation,

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Olle E Johansson
We run everything on ubuntu server 6.06 LTS and also use freepbx as the interface with some minor customisations. It works very well and we are now shifting some others to 1.4 but the issue is if anything goes wrong its too costly to fix, as part of maintenance we keep them

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Mike
The only reason I am not upgrading to 1.4 is because out-of-the-tar it just won't build on my Fedora Core 4 machine. http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=9643 Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johansson Olle E Sent: Saturday,

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Saturday 15 December 2007 12:14:29 David Boyd wrote: On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 10:51 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: Of course, all of these deprecations should be covered in UPGRADE.txt, so please read that file every time you upgrade to a new version. It will contain everything that has

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Kevin P. Fleming
Mike wrote: The only reason I am not upgrading to 1.4 is because out-of-the-tar it just won't build on my Fedora Core 4 machine. http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=9643 Umm... forgive me for jumping in here, but that bug is for a (now unsupported) H.323 channel driver in asterisk-addons, with

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Patrick
On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 12:12 -0500, Mike wrote: The only reason I am not upgrading to 1.4 is because out-of-the-tar it just won't build on my Fedora Core 4 machine. http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=9643 Seen that one on and off. Don't know why this error keeps popping up. Would be nice if

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread JR Richardson
I have not made the switch from 1.2 to 1.4 yet due to operating a ITSP Asterisk Cluster. I cannot upgrade any one machine without upgrading all. Basically I need to build a duplicate cluster with 1.4, debug it then roll traffic to it. This is a pretty gargantuan effort that I'm currently

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Sunday 16 December 2007 02:19:16 Ira wrote: At 03:54 PM 12/15/2007, you wrote: I'm curious to hear how you would have approached the problem of retrieving multiple columns out of a database and setting each column to its own variable. That is precisely what ARRAY() is designed to

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Sunday 16 December 2007 02:19:16 Ira wrote: At 03:54 PM 12/15/2007, you wrote: I'm curious to hear how you would have approached the problem of retrieving multiple columns out of a database and setting each column to its own variable. That is precisely what ARRAY()

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread David Boyd
Thanks for your thoughtful response. Dave On Sun, 2007-12-16 at 10:43 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Saturday 15 December 2007 12:14:29 David Boyd wrote: On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 10:51 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: Of course, all of these deprecations should be covered in UPGRADE.txt, so

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Ira
At 11:12 AM 12/16/2007, you wrote: That is precisely what ARRAY() is designed to accomplish, and it CANNOT be done by letting Set have multiple key/value pairs. Whatever, but don't call it array(). I was so excited when I saw there was a new function called array because some part of my

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Ira wrote: At 11:12 AM 12/16/2007, you wrote: That is precisely what ARRAY() is designed to accomplish, and it CANNOT be done by letting Set have multiple key/value pairs. Whatever, but don't call it array(). I was so excited when I saw there was a new function called array because some

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-16 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Saturday 15 December 2007 15:48:01 Philipp Kempgen wrote: Tilghman Lesher wrote: If anything broke from the transition from 1.2 to 1.4, it is because you were using something that was deprecated in 1.2. After thinking about it for a while this is not true. Well, it's true for the

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Alessio Focardi
Hi, Friends in the Asterisk community, I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 and 1.4 there's been a lot of important development. New code cleanups, optimization, new functions. Just my 2 cents I have more than 70 running servers installed with 1.2, we

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Mindaugas Kezys
Hello everybody, Since 1.4 release our company installed more then 200 Asterisk servers using Asterisk 1.4 version. At start we had several bugs with SIP channel and CDR handling but starting from 1.4.6 or something it works without problems. We are really happy with 1.4 and thank you for

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Steve Totaro
Johansson Olle E wrote: Friends in the Asterisk community, I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 and 1.4 there's been a lot of important development. New code cleanups, optimization, new functions. I realize that 1.4 at release time wasn't ready for

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Olle E Johansson
15 dec 2007 kl. 15.42 skrev Steve Totaro: Johansson Olle E wrote: Friends in the Asterisk community, I'm kind of interested in the slow uptake of Asterisk 1.4. Between 1.2 and 1.4 there's been a lot of important development. New code cleanups, optimization, new functions. I realize

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Rob Hillis
One of the biggest barriers to upgrading are the number of little gotchas in syntax changes that can make an upgrade from 1.2 to 1.4 quite painful. After the pain I went through upgrading to 1.4, I've always been recommending to people to think twice about upgrading if 1.2 does what they require.

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Tilghman Lesher
On Saturday 15 December 2007 10:02:23 Rob Hillis wrote: One of the biggest barriers to upgrading are the number of little gotchas in syntax changes that can make an upgrade from 1.2 to 1.4 quite painful. After the pain I went through upgrading to 1.4, I've always been recommending to people

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Philipp Kempgen
Tilghman Lesher wrote: If anything broke from the transition from 1.2 to 1.4, it is because you were using something that was deprecated in 1.2. What we had attempted to do in deprecation modes was to print the warning ONCE for each deprecated operation, per Asterisk startup. I think that

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread Chris Bagnall
I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading. From our perspective I'd have to say package management. We manage a *lot* of asterisk boxes at client locations at the end of DSL connections. We have a schedule to make sure each box is updated once a month (e.g. these 10 boxes are

Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

2007-12-15 Thread David Boyd
On Sat, 2007-12-15 at 10:51 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote: On Saturday 15 December 2007 10:02:23 Rob Hillis wrote: One of the biggest barriers to upgrading are the number of little gotchas in syntax changes that can make an upgrade from 1.2 to 1.4 quite painful. After the pain I went

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