Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread James Holderness
Pascal Philippe wrote: For example, in a web blog entry, I can have more than one components. A web blog entry can be, as example, a picture (encoded in base64) with a text. How can I represent this using the Atom syntax? If you want the image to appear inline, you can include it as an HTML

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread Eric Scheid
On 12/10/05 7:54 PM, Pascal Philippe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to try to understand why we can't have more than one atom:content element within an atom:entry element. Could you give me the reason of this choice? IIRC, it was thought it would be too burdensome for developers to

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* James Holderness [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-13 09:40]: If you want the image to appear inline, you can include it as an HTML (or XHTML) img tag within the atom:content element. Alternatively, if it would be better represented as an attachment you can include it as an enclosure (an atom:link

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread James Holderness
A. Pagaltzis wrote: And deviously, you can inline the image data inside the feed too, by using a data: URI with one of these methods. However, shipping blobs around inside a feed is not a bright idea with the currently common feed use cases. There's also the problem that Internet Explorer

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread John Panzer
James Holderness wrote: A. Pagaltzis wrote: And deviously, you can inline the image data inside the feed too, by using a data: URI with one of these methods. However, shipping blobs around inside a feed is not a bright idea with the currently common feed use cases. There's also the

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-13 18:45]: If I recall, I believe this is because some people wanted to be able to package multiple pieces of content together in a single entry, and other people did not want to have to imply a requirement for MIME multipart parsing as pat of the Atom

RE: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Byrne Reese
I was wondering if someone might be able to summarize the issues associated with a link rel=next and link rel=previous? What were the primary objections? I ask because it seems like a very logical core component for the spec, especially as a link relation. -Original Message- From:

Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread Byrne Reese
Does anyone know of an extension or mechanism that can indicate whether a given feed is a complete representation of the content it encompasses, or is just a summary? Here is the use case: Both LiveJournal and TypePad give users the option of not publishing the complete

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread John Panzer
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-13 18:45]: If I recall, I believe this is because some people wanted to be able to package multiple pieces of content together in a single entry, and other people did not want to have to imply a requirement for MIME

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-13 19:40]: Well, you can pass them around by reference with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think. By the letter of the spec, but not by the spirit. But that’s beside the point, since if you’re going to point to an external resource, you can and should use an

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Byrne Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-13 19:40]: In stead, we publish a summary of the post in the summary element. That's logical enough. We see there being value however in being able to communicate to the reader that the contents represented by an entry element is not a complete

Re: draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread-01.txt

2005-10-13 Thread Byrne Reese
Six Apart is looking to develop an experimental implementation of the Feed Thread extension for Atom. However, I have a few questions: I see this extension as a logical place to list all feedback (both comments and trackbacks). However, I dont see a way for the extension to

Re: draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread-01.txt

2005-10-13 Thread Thomas Broyer
Byrne Reese wrote: Six Apart is looking to develop an experimental implementation of the Feed Thread extension for Atom. However, I have a few questions: I see this extension as a logical place to list all feedback (both comments and trackbacks). However, I don’t see a way for the

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread Antone Roundy
On Oct 13, 2005, at 12:06 PM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * John Panzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-13 19:40]: Well, you can pass them around by reference with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think. By the letter of the spec, but not by the spirit. I just ran through the discussion of this very question on the

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Byrne Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-13 20:55]: No I suppose not. But there are edge cases where people may not include content in a post. They may simply use the title... in maintaining a list of links for example. But I suppose there is a difference between: entry titlefoo/title

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Joe Gregorio
On 10/10/05, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been considering asking the Opensearch folks if they would be willing to separate their next/previous/first/last link relations out to a separate spec that could be made a working group draft. The paging functionality they offer

Re: draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread-01.txt

2005-10-13 Thread James M Snell
Thomas Broyer wrote: Byrne Reese wrote: Six Apart is looking to develop an experimental implementation of the Feed Thread extension for Atom. However, I have a few questions: I see this extension as a logical place to list all feedback (both comments and trackbacks). However, I don’t

RE: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Byrne Reese
+1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James M Snell Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:06 PM To: James Holderness Cc: Syntax Atom Subject: Re: Feed History -04 I've been considering asking the Opensearch folks if they would be willing to

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread James M Snell
Using Mark Nottingham's Feed History extension, you could do fh:incrementalfalse/fh:incremental Byrne Reese wrote: Does anyone know of an extension or mechanism that can indicate whether a given feed is a complete representation of the content it encompasses, or is just a summary? Here

Re: Atom Comments Extension

2005-10-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
Hi James, * James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-09-08 06:45]: If anyone has any further comments on the draft, please let me know. I am alarmed that this draft does *not even once* explicitly mention the fact that idrefs are expected to be derived from Atom Entry IDs. No particular

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread Graham
On 13 Oct 2005, at 8:02 pm, A. Pagaltzis wrote: If you want to ship a complete representation, you ship an atom:entry, and if the resource is empty, then that atom:content is empty. If the atom:entry has no atom:content, then that always means that it is a partial representation only.

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread Robert Sayre
On 10/13/05, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point to any text in the spec that backs this up. The spec says only The 'atom:content' element either contains or links to the content of the entry. Any assertion that there is no other content to be had is not testable, and therefore rightly

Re: more than one content element?

2005-10-13 Thread James Holderness
John Panzer wrote: If I recall, I believe this is because some people wanted to be able to package multiple pieces of content together in a single entry, and other people did not want to have to imply a requirement for MIME multipart parsing as pat of the Atom format specification. Ugh.

RE: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread Byrne Reese
If only to make the nature of a feed, or state of a feed more deterministic and less ambiguous...? Nottingham's Feed History achieves this objective for me. I *knew* I had read something about this somewhere. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread James Holderness
My understanding was that if fh:incremental was false the feed document should be considered a complete replacement for any previous document you may have received. This would be for things like top 10 lists. I believe the question being asked here is actually about the entries themselves

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread James M Snell
Ah, missed that, you're right. There is no way of indicating whether or not a feed is a full-content feed vs. a summary feed beyond the presence (or lack thereof) of the atom:content element. James Holderness wrote: My understanding was that if fh:incremental was false the feed document

Re: Signifying a Complete Feed

2005-10-13 Thread James Holderness
Graham wrote: On 13 Oct 2005, at 8:02 pm, A. Pagaltzis wrote: If you want to ship a complete representation, you ship an atom:entry, and if the resource is empty, then that atom:content is empty. If the atom:entry has no atom:content, then that always means that it is a partial representation

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Mark Nottingham
I've been considering moving feed history over to atom:link, but wanted to check with people who are currently using / referring to it, as well as with the RSS communities. Please give me a little time. On 09/10/2005, at 9:06 PM, James M Snell wrote: I've been considering asking the

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread James M Snell
Excellent. If this works out, there is an opportunity to merge the paging behavior of Feed History, OpenSearch and APP collections into a single set of paging link relations (next/previous/first/last). Mark Nottingham wrote: I've been considering moving feed history over to atom:link, but

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Eric Scheid
On 14/10/05 9:18 AM, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. If this works out, there is an opportunity to merge the paging behavior of Feed History, OpenSearch and APP collections into a single set of paging link relations (next/previous/first/last). 'first' or 'start'? Do we

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Antone Roundy
On Oct 13, 2005, at 7:58 PM, Eric Scheid wrote: On 14/10/05 9:18 AM, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. If this works out, there is an opportunity to merge the paging behavior of Feed History, OpenSearch and APP collections into a single set of paging link relations

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Antone Roundy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-10-14 05:10]: On Oct 13, 2005, at 7:58 PM, Eric Scheid wrote: Do we need to define what 'first' means though? I recall a dissenting opinion on the wiki that the 'first' entry could be at either end of the list, which could surprise some. Yeah,

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Joe Gregorio
On 10/13/05, Eric Scheid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/10/05 9:18 AM, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent. If this works out, there is an opportunity to merge the paging behavior of Feed History, OpenSearch and APP collections into a single set of paging link relations

Re: Feed History -04

2005-10-13 Thread Eric Scheid
On 14/10/05 2:01 PM, Joe Gregorio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, It's like deja-vu all over again. http://bitworking.org/news/Atom_Auto_Sub_How_To :) I'd forgotten about that, I was only remembering the wiki. I still think it odd that one could traverse both prev and next from the