Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Jan Algermissen
On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:12 PM, Mark Baker wrote: On 12/4/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can go on is evidence of how folks are actually using 'em... and they ain't using 'em as aliases. :-) Ok, I'll take empirical evidence too 8-) Point the way ... Question: what does

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread James M Snell
When I process this entry, http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/jasnell%40gmail.com/public/basic/10ge5k2k7c488algfbau5q9qc0 What is the implied feed? Where do I get the implied feeds metadata? Title? ID? Anything? If the entry contained an atom:source element you might be able to assume that

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Jan Algermissen
On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:15 PM, James M Snell wrote: When I process this entry, http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/jasnell%40gmail.com/public/ basic/10ge5k2k7c488algfbau5q9qc0 Funny, Safari switches to feed://www.google.com :-) And then says it cannot process the entity (presumably

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Bill de hOra
Mark Baker wrote: On 12/4/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can go on is evidence of how folks are actually using 'em... and they ain't using 'em as aliases. :-) Ok, I'll take empirical evidence too 8-) Point the way ... Mark, since you introduced it, what's an alias,

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Bill de hOra
James M Snell wrote: When I process this entry, http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/jasnell%40gmail.com/public/basic/10ge5k2k7c488algfbau5q9qc0 I had problems subscribing to that entry in bloglines. Will somebody file a bug? cheers Bill

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread James M Snell
Indeed. The application was written to expect a feed because of the content-type but gets an entry instead and blows up. - James Jan Algermissen wrote: On Dec 5, 2006, at 9:15 PM, James M Snell wrote: When I process this entry,

Re: PaceAutoDiscoveryDraftIsPointless

2006-12-05 Thread fantasai
Edward O'Connor wrote: Robert Sayre wrote: Don't move forward with the autodiscovery draft. [...] At this point there seems to be no reason for the autodiscovery draft to exist, since the WHAT-WG has ably covered the subject in Web Applications 1.0. I am worried that there are three

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Mark Baker
On 12/5/06, Jan Algermissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: what does it mean (what do we have to look for) to use them as aliases?? It wasn't the most illustrative choice of words, but what I'm looking for is evidence that an entry is interpreted differently if it's found in an entry

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Mark Baker
On 12/5/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I process this entry, http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/jasnell%40gmail.com/public/basic/10ge5k2k7c488algfbau5q9qc0 What is the implied feed? Where do I get the implied feeds metadata? Title? ID? Anything? If the entry contained an

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread James M Snell
Mark Baker wrote: [snip] Ok, but I don't see that this would necessitate a new media type. It's just an entry without a feed. You'd use the same code path to process that entry whether it were found in an entry or feed document, right? Not necessarily. Sure, it might be the same

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Eric Scheid
On 6/12/06 3:52 PM, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not necessarily. Sure, it might be the same parser code, but not necessarily the same bit of code using the parser. Look at the way Firefox, IE7, Bloglines, Liferea, etc all handle (or don't handle) Entry documents versus Feed

Re: In San Francisco/Bay Area

2006-12-05 Thread John Panzer
Lisa ran in to me today and reminded me about the meet up (thanks!). I will try hard to make it; is there a definite time set? (6pm is slightly better for me, but 7pm is okay too.) -John Lisa Dusseault wrote: Thanks for setting this up Henry, I can be there Dec 6. 7pm is much easier to make

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Mark Baker
On 12/5/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Baker wrote: [snip] Ok, but I don't see that this would necessitate a new media type. It's just an entry without a feed. You'd use the same code path to process that entry whether it were found in an entry or feed document, right?

Re: In San Francisco/Bay Area

2006-12-05 Thread Henry Story
I'll be there at 6:30pm then. I imagine people will not be wanting to stay very late. Henry On 5 Dec 2006, at 21:26, John Panzer wrote: Lisa ran in to me today and reminded me about the meet up (thanks!). I will try hard to make it; is there a definite time set? (6pm is slightly

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread James M Snell
Mark Baker wrote: [snip] Isn't that just a case of people not implementing the whole spec though? FWIW, if that practice is widespread, then I think the group should consider deprecating entry documents. Minting a new media type won't help. The interesting question is *why* haven't

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread James M Snell
Eric Scheid wrote: [snip] If an agent found an entry document, should it assume that it's a feed with one entry (so far) and allocate resources accordingly (ie. allow for cardinality of n++)? No. In particular, if an atom:source element is not included there is no way of knowing anything

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Eric Scheid
On 6/12/06 5:06 PM, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would an agent finding multiple atom:content elements inside the one entry consider that a problem (other than it being a spec violation)? Are XML processors optimised for the fact that any given attribute can only occur once per

Re: PaceEntryMediatype

2006-12-05 Thread Sylvain Hellegouarch
On 12/5/06, James M Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Baker wrote: [snip] Ok, but I don't see that this would necessitate a new media type. It's just an entry without a feed. You'd use the same code path to process that entry whether it were found in an entry or feed document,