Re: Atom 1.0 xml:base/URI funnies

2005-07-18 Thread Sjoerd Visscher
Tim Bray wrote: On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Upon further reading of 3986, I'm convinced that Tim's current feed is correct. I think so too, but I'm worried how XML-reader implementations will do supporting all this base-URI stacking. If this kind of thing is going

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread Henry Story
Sorry I did not participate in the previous discussion for format 00. I only just realized this was going on. What is clear is that this is really needed! I agree with Stefan Eissing's random thought that it may not be a good idea to use Atom for a top 10 feed. Atom entries are not ordered

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread James M Snell
Henry Story wrote: Sorry I did not participate in the previous discussion for format 00. I only just realized this was going on. What is clear is that this is really needed! I agree with Stefan Eissing's random thought that it may not be a good idea to use Atom for a top 10 feed. Atom

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 18/07/2005, at 11:10 AM, James M Snell wrote: Ch 3. fh:stateful seems to be only needed for a newborn stateful feed. As an alternative one could drop fh:stateful and define that an empty fh:prev (refering to itself) is the last document in a stateful feed. That would eliminate the

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread James M Snell
Mark Nottingham wrote: On 18/07/2005, at 11:10 AM, James M Snell wrote: Ch 3. fh:stateful seems to be only needed for a newborn stateful feed. As an alternative one could drop fh:stateful and define that an empty fh:prev (refering to itself) is the last document in a stateful feed.

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread James M Snell
There is precedence for using atom:link in RSS feeds. see http://feeds.feedburner.com/ITConversations-EverythingMP3. I really don't think it's a problem. Mark Nottingham wrote: That's what I originally did, but I have a rather strong preference to make a single syntax work in RSS and

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 18/07/2005, at 2:17 PM, Stefan Eissing wrote: On a more semantic issue: The described sync algorithm will work. In most scenarios the abort condition (e.g. all items on a historical feed are known) will also do the job. However this still means that clients need to check the first

Re: Atom 1.0 xml:base/URI funnies

2005-07-18 Thread Sjoerd Visscher
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Sjoerd Visscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-18 11:50]: Yes, your link href= / resolves to http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/ But if you say follow that link in a program with same-document references support, it will say: Ok, the link points to http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/,

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread Stefan Eissing
On a more semantic issue: The described sync algorithm will work. In most scenarios the abort condition (e.g. all items on a historical feed are known) will also do the job. However this still means that clients need to check the first fh:prev document if they know all entries there - if my

Re: [rss-media] Re: Media extensions

2005-07-18 Thread Danny Ayers
On 7/18/05, Robert Sayre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Media RSS already has an effective editor who is also a good listener: Yahoo's David Hall. If the Media RSS folks (or some other constituency who've done their homework) want to use this WG as their venue, that would be great. If not, I would

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread Mark Nottingham
On 18/07/2005, at 1:29 PM, Stefan Eissing wrote: I agree that special URIs are not that great either. Another idea might be nested elements: stateful feed: fh:historyfh:prevhttp://example.org/thingie1.1/ fh:prev/fh:history stateful initial feed: fh:history/ stateless feed:

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread Stefan Eissing
Am 18.07.2005 um 19:33 schrieb Mark Nottingham: On 18/07/2005, at 1:29 PM, Stefan Eissing wrote: I agree that special URIs are not that great either. Another idea might be nested elements: stateful feed: fh:historyfh:prevhttp://example.org/thingie1.1/fh:prev/fh: history stateful

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread James M Snell
Heh... the same questions could be asked about a lot of stuff embedded in RSS but that's not the issue ;-) ... fh:prev works fine. There really isn't a strong argument in favor of link. I have my own personal preferences but those are actually quite irrelevant :-)I'll still maintain

Re: Feed History -02

2005-07-18 Thread Stefan Eissing
Am 18.07.2005 um 18:59 schrieb James M Snell: Mark Nottingham wrote: On 18/07/2005, at 11:10 AM, James M Snell wrote: Ch 3. fh:stateful seems to be only needed for a newborn stateful feed. As an alternative one could drop fh:stateful and define that an empty fh:prev (refering to

Re: Atom 1.0 xml:base/URI funnies

2005-07-18 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Sjoerd Visscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 01:25]: A. Pagaltzis wrote: He is correct, Tim. The base URI means “the URL where this document was found,” not “the prefix for any enclosed relative links.” I don’t see how RFC3986 can be read any other way. I am correct ;), but your

Re: Atom 1.0 xml:base/URI funnies

2005-07-18 Thread Sjoerd Visscher
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Sjoerd Visscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 01:25]: A. Pagaltzis wrote: He is correct, Tim. The base URI means “the URL where this document was found,” not “the prefix for any enclosed relative links.” I don’t see how RFC3986 can be read any other way. I am correct

Re: Atom 1.0 xml:base/URI funnies

2005-07-18 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Sjoerd Visscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-19 03:15]: That is my interpretation too, but only through the way the base URI is used. I can't find any hint in that direction otherwise. It would be nice if T. Berners-Lee, R. Fielding or L. Masinter could confirm that. If it would have been