Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I think the developers will know what areas of the log to focus on, so it's worth a shot. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338740#p338740 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA It's nhot that I don't want to send them the log, it's that I don't know what information they need to debug the issue, and that if I don't provide the right information that they may disregard my report. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA If you don't want to send them the log file, just email them and link them to this thread, perhaps? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338714#p338714 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,More information!I received an e-mail from NVAccess.The only things I can think of are:- are you using a power profile on your machine?  On many computers, setting the power profile (particularly in Windows 10) to anything other than "a

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hey. It's just a random early morning thought, but let's throw in the factor of different antivirus software being used. On the one hand it couldn't be of any importance, but on the other hand antivirus constantly monitors the system and all kind

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,More information!I received an e-mail from NVAccess.The only things I can think of are:- are you using a power profile on your machine?  On many computers, setting the power profile (particularly in Windows 10) to anything other than "a

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I have the same issue when Audacity is doing something and it is a 32 bit program, so it seems that 32 bit vs 64 bit doesn't apply here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338601#p338601

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Turtlepower, these are my thoughts exactly referring to the XP support being dropped. I have little evidence to support the x86 vs x64 theory, other than the fact that old versions of Gold Wave 5 which I still use don't have the problem, and Gold Wave

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I have seen this issue happen when using Gold Wave, now that people are mentioning it. I usually avoid the problem by doing large batch processing jobs, such as converting many audio files, before going to sleep or otherwise being away from my computer

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hello.@raygrote I'd recommend sending an email to nv access again with this log or perhaps the forum topic.I'd also recommend writing a ticket on github.You can find the link to the NVDA github below.https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issuesI think I've

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Haven't yet heard from NV Access, but I just reproduced the problem again, and this time I really tried to alt tab and browse Explorer windows a lot, and tabbing among the various elements in the Explorer window to break things a lot. Here is the log

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @raygrote Thank you for submitting logs - this is exactly what I was trying to say in my original post. You set it out much more succinctly than I could have dreamed and it's very much appreciated.For me, it doesn't seem to matter if it's x86 or x64

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA raygrote wrote:I've discovered that some programs are more apt to do this than others. An old version of Gold Wave I sometimes use, for instance, doesn't have the issue. There are also other apps I use which may or may not make my system act up

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA At Raygrote. The issue you're having with windows explorer's contents not being read by NVDA is the same one I have, but mine happens almost all the time. I've started getting into the habit of pressing f2 on things in order to tell what file or folder

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA See, the problem with NVAccess is the fact that they are totally unwilling to create a 64-bit build of NVDA, siting the stupid (and mostly illogical) reason that "it will break usability for old computers and portability" or some

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA See, the problem with NVAccess is the fact that they are totally unwilling to create a 64-bit build of NVDA, siting the stupid (and mostly illogical) reason that "it will break usability for old computers and portability" or some

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I've discovered that some programs are more apt to do this than others. An old version of Gold Wave I sometimes use, for instance, doesn't have the issue. There are also other apps I use which may or may not make my system act up depending on what

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I've discovered that some programs are more apt to do this than others. An old version of Gold Wave I sometimes use, for instance, doesn't have the issue. There are also other apps I use which may or may make my system act up depending on what they're

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @Raygrote: I'm having exactly the same issue! I do not use classic shell. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338479#p338479 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @raygroteThis is exactly how you go about it! I'd bet that the issue will be fixed in NVDA soon, maybe not in the next release, but in the first 2018 release. I can testify that NV Access does listen, as I have created tickets and had my issues solved

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @Raygrote: I'm having exactly the same issue! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338479#p338479 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Brad, thanks for that. Just e-mailed NVAccess directly with pretty much all the information in my last post, as well as an attached log. The log did have four interesting lines in it, once I set NVDA to output debug+warning. We'll see what happens. I

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@raygrote.I'd highly recommend writing to the NVDA team.With all that info, perhaps they can do something about it.Here is the contact page.https://www.nvaccess.org/contact/ URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338457#p338457

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,I will ignore the NVDA VS Jaws flaming and get strait to the point of this post.I've found a few things that make the Explorer issue happen consistently. These all have to do with audio editing which is what I do a lot of the time, but you don't

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,I will ignore the NVDA VS Jaws flaming and get strait to the point of this post.I've found a few things that make the Explorer issue happen consistently. These all have to do with audio editing which is what I do a lot of the time, but you don't

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi all,I will ignore the NVDA VS Jaws flaming and get strait to the point of this post.I've found a few things that make the Explorer issue happen consistently. These all have to do with audio editing which is what I do a lot of the time, but you don't

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I use SeaMonkey. You should use that instead -- it's a fork of firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338455#p338455 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.I found this article, you might want to check it out.https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/ca … ew-firefoxYou could try downloading an older version of the browser.Here's a link explaining how to do that.https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA HelloMy FireFox update today.Now it is completely unusable with my copy of NVDA. I was forced to use google chrome even though it is not perfectly accessible.Is their a way to fix this without downgrading firefox. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA HiOkay, this topic got a lot of posts that I only saw now. Sorry about that.If someone has indeed written on github about this it would be amazing - I'm not all that familiar with it. I've gotten so much backlash over the years from this comparison

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I've started to have a couple of issues with NVDA navigation recently, shall I post these here since it seems to be the current complaint thread? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338314#p338314

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, yes, there you go. That, there, is exactly a password that is 'very weak'. NIST's latest password policy, SP 800-63-3, which is specifically for passwords (but technically does apply here), can be summarized as follows:Do not attempt

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Actually yeah the key thing does make sence, and come to think of i I think i set the key to something like nvda123 or something stupid like that URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=338121#p338121

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Exactly. Also, if you use private servers, you can decrease the likelihood of this happening to practically zero. I get that not everyone has the technical know-how or resources to do that, but really, complaining about something that's easily solvable

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, how do you know it's encrypted? See, the problem with encryption is that anyone with the public and private keypair can decrypt the stream. Plus, decryption is quite pointless in the first place, and is why NVDA remote is not encrypted

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA At least NV Access is aware of the issue that sparked this topic now. I saw it being discussed on the NVDA email list today. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337971#p337971

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, sort of. But with JAWS your limited to a very small subset of features, and only get access to what FS wants you to have access to. With NVDA you have access to the entire Python standard library, which is a huge assortment of libraries

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA All you NVDA lovers forgot that jaws has scripts, witch basically work the same as addons. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337948#p337948 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Chris wrote:I've never experienced these problems. I'd suggest reporting the issue to NV Access.na I'm sure they would rather spend their time ripping off of jaws even more instead of fixing an unfixable screen reader. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA turtlepower17 wrote:Nah. Who actually needs the system tray list anyway? You can just hit Windows b, which is not a screen reader specific shortcut, and scroll through the available icons. Also, at least you can pick and choose which features you want

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @Turtlepower, Thumbs up for post 25 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337848#p337848 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Odd blind jedi, I have updated Nvda several times and never lost an adding as yet.As regards voices, I actually did pay for the vocaliser Addon for Nvda, since while I could use Orphius alan from my supernova setup on my desktop, I wasn't going

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I agree with turtlepower17 and cae_jones. Just because there are some shady add-ons for NVDA hat are technically illegal doesn't make the entire product illegal. That's like saying that someone's computer that runs windows is illegal because said

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Of course no one has to use any feature of any software that they don't want to. I hoped that would be obvious.K said it best, though. Less is usually more when it comes to using any program, and screen readers should be no exception. That's why I like

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I want to throw my hat in with the team of the Dark, but after 3 it starts to look like another gang. That, and coming up with a name for the group defined by Man of the Dark and Dark himself is a bit harder than it should be. The DA? The Dark One

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Thumbs up mftd, you said pretty much what I would've done as a moderator, (indeed I'm going to need to go and moderate the other topic lol). I personally used supernova for 17 years up until last January, when I found their policy of "support the

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Turtal power, you do know that if you really hate something jaws has, then just don't use it? Its not like your forced to use anything it has. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337582#p337582

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA yup forgot about that addon. was giving me problems on windows 7, seems to work ok on 10 though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337564#p337564 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@JimmyDub.You can get an addon for NVDA and the system tray.https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ … st.en.html URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337377#p337377 ___ Audiogames

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Nah. Who actually needs the system tray list anyway? You can just hit Windows b, which is not a screen reader specific shortcut, and scroll through the available icons. Also, at least you can pick and choose which features you want in NVDA to a point

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA BlindJedi wrote:NVDA is just a knock off of jaws. Its free because it doesn't have all the things jaws has, and its open source so that people can create things that jaws has so they don't miss out on its features.and again, you are 100% right. URL

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hahaha, this topic got interesting quick! Anyway, I have noticed the tabbing thing, when it comes to header bars. It's kinda meh, but not that big a deal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337374#p337374

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA turtlepower17 wrote:I suppose you encourage the piracy of JAWS, then? Because actually, NVDA was created so that people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford the steep price tag of all commercial screen readers which were available at the time

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@BlindJedi.I've used JAWS for about 12 years and then, once I found out about NVDA and the fact that it was free, I didn't use JAWS anymore. I highly doubt I'll start using JAWS again.NVDA is free, not because it doesn't have all the things JAWS has

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA brad wrote:Hi.@BlindJedi. I've used JAWS for about 12 years and then, once I found out about NVDA and the fact that it was free, I didn't use JAWS anymore. I highly doubt I'll start using JAWS again.NVDA is free, not because it doesn't have all

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.@BlindJedi. I've used JAWS for about 12 years and then, once I found out about NVDA and the fact that it was free, I didn't use JAWS anymore. I highly doubt I'll start using JAWS again.NVDA is free, not because it doesn't have all the things JAWS

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I suppose you encourage the piracy of JAWS, then? Because actually, NVDA was created so that people who otherwise wouldn't be able to afford the steep price tag of all commercial screen readers which were available at the time, could have a free

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA NVDA is just a knock off of jaws. Its free because it doesn't have all the things jaws has, and its open source so that people can create things that jaws has so they don't miss out on its features. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA BlindJedi wrote:My advice to you is to completely scrap NVDA, delete it off all your computers, and use jaws only. NVDA is not as good.I agree with this 100% URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337357#p337357

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I haven't used JAWS in quite awhile, so by keyboard locking, do you mean that you can lock the keyboard so that it will accept no input? If so, there's an NVDA add-on for that. It's a damn useful thing to have if, like me, you live with any small

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @BlindJedi, uh... have you read the other posts in this topic? JAWS lags just as bad as NVDA does in other areas. And the only thing JAWS has that NVDA doesn't are table view and smart controls. And keyboard locking, a quite unnecessary feature, IMO

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA My advice to you is to completely scrap NVDA, delete it off all your computers, and use jaws only. NVDA is not as good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=337311#p337311 ___ Audiogames

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I recommend zabkats xporer2. Also I believe there was a project aimed at porting NVDA to python3, however don't know about progress. This took a while since NVDA relies on modules that haven't yet been ported. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I actually wonder if the fact that I'm running classic shell might be partly why I've not seen these issues. While Nvda does certainly work with the default windows start menu, I definitely wanted the classic one as I  proper program groups etc

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I haven't problems in windows explorer with NVDA, but Jaws does a various problems to me. I don't understand It. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336978#p336978 ___ Audiogames

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Now since they've dropped support for XP and Vista, NVDA would be even faster in performance since they no longer have to care about compatibility with an older os. Additionally, once they switch to Python 3, this will be additional speed boost. URL

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA @mario navarro, NVDA definitely isn't getting "more unstable." Problems like these are mainly problems with Windows 10 and not with NVDA itself; Microsoft's shitty decisions have caused these very issues. The simplest and fastest way to solve

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA you can just get the classic start menu and msconfig from winaero tweeker. that's what I did. I also got rid of the shitty start menu. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336923#p336923

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I am using windows 10 last update with nvda 2017.3, and I don't have this issue. the only time my nvda crashes is when I force it to, or when a program freezes sometimes..regarding the task manager, have you tried jaws with it?you'll get a half second

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Guys, all that problems can be reported to NVDA's github issue tracker. You don't have to be their authorized tester or registered user to do it. The issue tracker is public. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336624#p336624

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA hi.Yes, it's true.NVDA is getting heavier and unstable.cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336469#p336469 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA I'd also be interested to know what voice your using, since I've noticed some lag in interactions with sapi enabled voices on Windows 10 even on a decent machine. This gets  worse when doing something like system updates, though it's general

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Have you tried it with any third party File explorer like Total Commander? That should helps you. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=336430#p336430 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA Hi.It seems to be a problem with UIA more than anything else. To be safe, though, do you have any antivirus installed? Windows Explorer and the header controls with Name etc. are to blame for some of the issues with tabbing. If you press Tab and hear

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA

Re: Getting really frustrated at NVDA For me, the major issue is that, if you run it from an external drive, than you will often get lists saying unselected unselected unselected, until you install a local copy or, even, I believe, put the portable on the local drive.That's with Xp through