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Re: Right to die and quality of life Oh, the social media thing is one aspect of this discussion I can comment on, because it's utterly ludicrous.While I do think there has been a huge shift in attitudes toward technology, and I don't think that a lot of it is exactly healthy, I also don't
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Thunderfist799 wrote:The reason why people are in depression in todays world is because of social media. Social media has torn entire families apart. Besides there's the obvious issue of social networking websights such as facebook, twitter etc. In the
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Nah, marriage doesn't do anything for anyone anymore, save those who are truly committed to it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=243720#p243720 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list
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Re: Right to die and quality of life TLDR: "If you want something done right, well, too bad."life is always worth living, even if it doesn't feel that way at the moment.Is that true, though?I grant that people are bad about catastrophizing during temporary crises. (You may recall that I
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I don't understand why whether or not animals intentionally kill themselves is relevant. I think condemning people for thinking of suicide and telling them they'd be selfish to do it is not only wrong, it displays a disgusting lack of understanding and
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Re: Right to die and quality of life No need to appoligise for a rant like that.Thank you for reminding me that I don't think we should use animal behavior as a basis for human morality.I, personally, don't think suicide is selfish, nor is it often cowardly, although I suppose there are
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Re: Right to die and quality of life That animal suicide page doesn't mention actual suicide, just behaviors that are akin to suicide. It should be noted that every behavior listed there that results in the death of the actor also results in protection or preservation of peers or children,
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I think that the only reason animal suicide came up is because Thunderfist rather ignorantly, in my opinion, drew a comparison between depressed humans and animals. If I didn't respect this forum and the way it's run, I would have quite a few choice
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Re: Right to die and quality of life K Jones,,, this is the last comment I'm going to make on this subject, because I don't want a flame war to erupt. I'm not saying you would do that, please don't get the wrong messag.Ah, well, then. I do not want to start a flame war, either. So let it
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Yeah, what Cae said about different worlds. A new perspective is always interesting though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=243545#p243545 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Hi Wanderer,Firstly, I would have to agree with you. An argument isn't going to benefit anyone.Secondly, you ask a very good question. One should want to get married,as this prevents harms such as fornication befalling society and pushes community
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Re: Right to die and quality of life What if one doesn't wish to share their life with another person? What if they want to live a life of travel, with friends or by them self? No disrespect intended, but I believe it's very wrong to say someone should! want something because society
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Hi Wanderer,Regarding in cases of depression, it would not be a good idea to say that. The best thing in that case would be to encourage them not to commit suicide. As I said, suicide or assisted suicide is another disguise for murder, whether one does
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Re: Right to die and quality of life As for wikipedia, I wouldn't really trust wikipedia...Bah, make me waste five more minutes, why don't you?1. Maschwitz, U. and E. Maschwitz, 1974. Platzende Arbeiterinnen: Eine neue Art der Feindabwehr bei sozialen Hautflüglern. Oecologia Berlin
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @Thunderfist I could also post a long response but will refrain from doing so as well; I think these are things we will have to agree to disagree about. I will ask, however, what do you say to women (or men, though I get the feeling you're putting the
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Re: Right to die and quality of life As for wikipedia, I wouldn't really trust wikipedia...1. Maschwitz, U. and E. Maschwitz, 1974. Platzende Arbeiterinnen: Eine neue Art der Feindabwehr bei sozialen Hautflüglern. Oecologia Berlin 14:289–294 (in German)2. C. Bordereau, A. Robert, V. Van
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Re: Right to die and quality of life As for wikipedia, I wouldn't really trust wikipedia...And scientificly there are disorders that stop one from eating properly or overeating. That's not suicide. Suicide is when you willingly take your life away.Best regards,Thunderfist. URL:
Re: Right to die and quality of life
Re: Right to die and quality of life As for wikipedia, I wouldn't really trust wikipedia...1. Maschwitz, U. and E. Maschwitz, 1974. Platzende Arbeiterinnen: Eine neue Art der Feindabwehr bei sozialen Hautflüglern. Oecologia Berlin 14:289–294 (in German)2. C. Bordereau, A. Robert, V. Van
Re: Right to die and quality of life
Re: Right to die and quality of life As for wikipedia, I wouldn't really trust wikipedia...1. Maschwitz, U. and E. Maschwitz, 1974. Platzende Arbeiterinnen: Eine neue Art der Feindabwehr bei sozialen Hautflüglern. Oecologia Berlin 14:289–294 (in German)2. C. Bordereau, A. Robert, V. Van
Re: Right to die and quality of life
Re: Right to die and quality of life As for wikipedia, I wouldn't really trust wikipedia...1. Maschwitz, U. and E. Maschwitz, 1974. Platzende Arbeiterinnen: Eine neue Art der Feindabwehr bei sozialen Hautflüglern. Oecologia Berlin 14:289–294 (in German)2. C. Bordereau, A. Robert, V. Van
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Suicide, assisted or non assisted, is an incredibly disgusting act. It is an act that makes one even lower than an animal with the acception of children, of course, as minors are not capable of making propperly informed deicisions. Minors being those
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I have never heard of an animal committing suicide before.Allow me to change that:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicideI don't know why I immediately looked for sources rather than remembering my friend's monitor lizard who stopped eating.The
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I have never heard of an animal committing suicide before.Allow me to change that:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_suicideI don't know why I immediately looked for sources rather than remembering my friend's monitor lizard who stopped eating.I wrote
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Could a child under the age of 12 possibly have the maturity to decide if the rest of their life is not worth living?Should someone be allowed to be euthinised immediately after obtaining a debilitating condition? URL:
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Could a child under the age of 12 possibly have the maturity to decide if the rest of their life is not worth living?Should someone be allowed to be euthinised immediately after obtaining a debilitating condition?Ontario gvmt’s expert panel wants
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @TheoAre you unable to read?I rather explicitly argues that permitting assisted suicide will set back disability rights for which he is fighting.And no, his objection to legalization of assisted suicide is not merely that temporarily depressed will
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Re: Right to die and quality of life gellman wrote:he rather explicitly connects his fight for disability rights with the setback he fears will ensue from recognizing a right to assisted suicide.But what does this have to do with inclusion? URL:
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I submit to you that, in fact, some lives may not be worth living, and though some of those might have some positive impact on others, someone taking a few seconds out of their week to be happy that you exist is heavily outweighed by being trapped in a
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @NocturnusYes, but then we should also ban extramarital sex and gay marriage (just in case it might damage others spiritually).Disclaimer: I don't advocate prohibition on these acts, but if I ought to buy your premise that individual rights should be
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @NocturnusYes, but then we should also ban extramarital sex and gay marriage (just in case it might damage others spiritually).Disclaimer: I don't advocate prohibition on these acts, but if I ought to buy your premise that individual rights should be
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @TheoRead this:"I am writing to plead with you to invoke the notwithstanding clause of the Canadian Charter of Rights and freedoms and override the monstrous Supreme Court[of Canada’s] decision to strike down the nation’s law against assisted suicide.
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @gellman,Your previous statement suggests to me that you didn't want opinions on the right to die so much as support for your opinion. Often times it seems people want the right to do anything without the idea of repercussion or consequence, but the
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I don't have much to say that hasn't been said already, except that with regards to the affect suicide would have on others, I think it could be argued that's the case with any decision in life, so just by being born a being with free will who has
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Gellman, so my bad, he mentioned inclusion once. That doesn't by any means indicate that's the main thrust of his letter. His personal story is about how life is worth living, even if sometimes it doesn't feel that way. URL:
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Just found this letter written by a disability rights proponent:http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/ … d-suicide/ Really stupid and wrong on so many counts:Because he wants inclusion, disabled should not have an easy exit because they must be kept
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Re: Right to die and quality of life If we accept the idea that even the humblest of souls can touch others, then I freely confess that I have a problem with the idea that anyone has the right to die. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=237228#p237228
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Where in that article did you get inclusion? His main thrust has nothing to do with inclusion, and everything to do with not letting people end their life out of depression. He talked about his life, and how in 1984 he had no idea his life would turn
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I am a firm believer in the idea that if we have a right to live our lives, that we also have the right to decide when that life has reached its logical conclusion for whatever reason. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=237211#p237211
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Hi all.[[wow]] another interesting issue filled topic for the masses, one of the reasons I like this great forum.Ok so my view.I agree if you are old and sick and have no hope of life you should be allowed to die.I also agree that if you are born ie
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I dont have the time nor energy to write a lengthy post about my opinion, but I can say that I think people have a right to death as well as life...Ill just recommend a documentary called Choosing to Die, made in 2012 by Terry Pratchett (R.I.P.). URL:
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @themadviolinistYou write:It is a short road from accepting simple disability as a legitimate reason for ending ones life to applying pressure to the disabled to do so in pursuitof savings, less bother for the temporarily able, who are often very good
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @themadviolinistYou write:It is a short road from accepting simple disability as a legitimate reason for ending ones life to applying pressure to the disabled to do so in pursuitof savings, less bother for the temporarily able, who are often very good
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @themadviolinistYou write:It is a short road from accepting simple disability as a legitimate reason for ending ones life to applying pressure to the disabled to do so in pursuitof savings, less bother for the temporarily able, who are often very good
Re: Right to die and quality of life
Re: Right to die and quality of life @themadviolinistYou write:It is a short road from accepting simple disability as a legitimate reason for ending ones life to applying pressure to the disabled to do so in pursuitof savings, less bother for the temporarily able, who are often very good
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @themadviolinistYou write:It is a short road from accepting simple disability as a legitimate reason for ending ones life to applying pressure to the disabled to do so in pursuitof savings, less bother for the temporarily able, who are often very good
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Let me begin by saying that I am in sympathy with those who believe in an unconditional right to die. It is a logical extension of the liberty which is at the heart of at least the American mythology of government.Now let me push back against the
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Before I lost my vision, I always said that Id rather be dead than blind, but now that I am blind, I find that committing suicide is the farthest thing from my mind. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=222920#p222920
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I personally believe that anyone should be able to do whatever they like with there own lives. I find it extremely offensive that many people believe that they should have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do with their own lives and
Re: Right to die and quality of life
Re: Right to die and quality of life I personally believe that anyone should be able to do whatever they like with there lives. It is extremely offensive to me that many people believe that they should have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do with their own lives and
Right to die and quality of life
Right to die and quality of life One argument in the public discourse about the right to die and assisted suicide happens to involve vulnerable persons -- namely the elderly and disabled.Have any of you read this article from The Atlantic:http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archi …
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @ironcross32Shooting oneself with a gun is only a practical possibility if you live in a country where its legal and easy to obtain a handgun.And in most nations private gun ownership is either forbidden or strictly regulated.My point is not about
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Greetings all.I fully condone/support euthanasia and as long as you harm no other nor do you ask another to assist you in suiciding unless youre physically unable to perform the action yourself, I have no problem with it. In this case, the being wishing
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @bashueYou write:If the disabled or indeed anyone is in such dire straights that supporting ones self is eitherextremely difficult or impossible then yes they should be allowed to euphonies themselves.This is better than the current societal attitude
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @ironcross32You are very lucky, let me guess you live in the US in a good red state (smile).I can assure you that getting a handgun legally outside the US is often very difficult due to strict gun control.@bashueMy situation is also okay, but I ponder
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Not only do I have a handgun, I could get one in 2 to 3 days, easy, but that wouldnt be legal, if I went the legal route, probably 3 to 5 days. I dont have a criminal record. Getting guns is easy, especially when you *know* the right people. URL:
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Re: Right to die and quality of life In the US constitution, it is said that we have the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. If we have the right to life, shouldnt we also have the right to choose to end that life if our quality of life becomes untennable?If
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @bashueYou write:If the disabled or indeed anyone is in such dire straights that supporting ones self is eitherextremely difficult or impossible then yes they should be allowed to euphonies themselves.This is better than the current societal attitude
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @bashueYou write:If the disabled or indeed anyone is in such dire straights that supporting ones self is eitherextremely difficult or impossible then yes they should be allowed to euphonies themselves.This is better than the current societal attitude
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Greetings Gellman.Unfortunately I have no answers for you. I was however talking about the individual not the state deciding when enough is enough. Having said that, if you turn to the underworld/criminal empire/black market, they may be able to aid in
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @ironcross32Shooting oneself with a gun is only a practical possibility if you live in a country where its legal and easy to obtain a handgun.And in most nations private gun ownership is either forbidden or strictly regulated.My point is not about
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @bashueAgree with you, but why should voluntary euthanasia be limited to the terminally ill, and if so whats the logic for not including disabled who are unsatisfied with their accommodation?Suppose that society tomorrow legislates that disabled from
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Greetings all.At Gellman, youve definitely given me a lot to consider. If the disabled or indeed anyone is in such dire straights that supporting ones self is either extremely difficult or impossible then yes they should be allowed to euphonies
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I believe that society plays up this so-called healthy living too far and goes way across the line when it comes to the way they deal with suicide or assisted suicide. My own view is, if someone, for whatever reason, makes the choice that they do not
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Re: Right to die and quality of life @bashueYou write:If the disabled or indeed anyone is in such dire straights that supporting ones self is eitherextremely difficult or impossible then yes they should be allowed to euphonies themselves.This is better than the current societal attitude
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Re: Right to die and quality of life There is this tendency for people to believe that any problem for which someone suggests suicide must be temporary and have some other solution.I suppose the issue would be providing sufficient evidence that the problem is, in fact, permanent, or at
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Re: Right to die and quality of life I can understand why the state would make assisted suicide a crime, to allow it would open a large loophole to commit murder. It isnt murder your honor, he was in pain and asked me to assist him in ending his life.I dont have to agree with it, but I do
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Re: Right to die and quality of life Red as in redneck, lol, not as in communist. But yes. And Im not suicidal, nor was I ever, but I do recognize the right of the individual to make their own choice. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=222533#p222533
