Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance I've been using the site both on safari on the Mac and crome on windows since 2014, and while there are a lot more unlabeled elements than there were then and it could use improvement, it's still very much usable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453763/#p453763 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance This seems like the case for most restaurants, fwict. Not being able to drive and casually look at businesses in passing, and not being interested enough to do online research, I hardly ever learn about these. There's this Mexican place my parents decided to try ... holycrap 18 years ago, but it feels weird calling it a Mom 'n Pop business, somehow. The owner is really good at establishing a medium-to-large-sized business feel, and has been willing to try changing things up to see what sticks, and it's pretty busy nowadays, especially on weekends.And this post ends here, before it becomes a review of this restaurant. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453753/#p453753 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance I'm more of a mom-and-pop-shop type of pizza guy. The big players just don't make good pizza, in my opinion. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453641/#p453641 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Ahem...funnily enough, I have had Domino's and other pizza chains let me have a deal over the phon that is supposed to be online only if I tell them that I tried and failed to get the deal online. I explain what I want, cite the offer and the reason I can't do it via the app or their website, and in virtually every instance I've been granted the promo. I don't know if that's because the phone staff were incompetent, or kind, or because I'm a good customer, or what, but it can and does happen sometimes. Though I know people can and do get refused for this, too.I feel like if there are phone-in or online or app-only specials, we should be expected to make a reasonable effort to fulfill those requirements, but that they should be waived under extenuating circumstances. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453623/#p453623 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Hello, I feel I should point out a key difference between when you use a phone to call in (obviously accessible) and when you use the app/website (as useful as a chocolate fireguard as access is concerned.) At least in my area, dominos provides really good deals for students. I mean like seriously good, as in 'makes domino's cheaper than other pizza places good. The thing is though, you can't just quote the discount code at the person on the phone, it's online only: so using dominos for a blind student would actually be more expensive than for a sighted one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453555/#p453555 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
2019-08-05
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance sorry for my earlier post. It made me mad cause i"m wondering if the NFB even tried to use the website /app. the app can use work admittedly but it's doable.I think it was 17 asking me where i'm at? right now I'm in the U.S. One more thing I'd like to point out. there is a part ofthe website that says if you have trouble with using a screen reader call this number. I've never called it. Cause i never had trouble. but now i'm curious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453340/#p453340 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
2019-08-05
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance sorry for my earlier post. It made me mad cause i"m wondering if the NFB even tried to use the website /app. the app can use work admittedly but it's doable. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453339/#p453339 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance It's unfortunate that we're forced to make every inaccessibility issue about ADA compliance. As someone had pointed out previously, the ADA is going on 30 years old with minimal provision over things like the digital inaccessibility of webpages/apps/etc. That's why things like the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) exists, to give a literal definition of what it means to be accessible, bearing the wide range of disabilities in mind, not just blind folks. Of course, adhering to WCAG is only viewed as a suggestion more-so than a typical procedure in development; it doesn't have legal implications, and this is where the ADA fails, not by intentional design, but because time has passed and there are so many types of disability barriers that it becomes simply too cumbersome to handle in one piece of legislation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453251/#p453251 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
2019-08-04
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance livrobo wrote:On another note, trying to discuss this on other social platforms can be a frustrating experience.I think it's interesting how little the general public knows about accessibility. I understand not knowing specifics about screen readers, but many people get hung up on why we would even be using a website in the first place. That really holds discussion back.Maybe they think why would we be even using a website in the first place if we can't see. They don't know about screen readers. I know a couple of times when I shown someone my Iphone using Voice Over their jaw drops. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453246/#p453246 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance @13: Yeah, Papa John's is better... everywhere but my town. Like, I've somehow had Papa John's in several different places, and I just happen to live in the location with the one bad Papa John's. And, yeah, they're both overpriced.@14-15-16: Got a timestamp on that? I downloaded the app because the site was such a pain (Firefox, Safari), with important "how to get to the next part?" controls in unintuitive formats / locations, lots of clutter, etc. The app was almost identical when I first got it, just a wee bit less cluttered. Recently they — *distracted by culture clash in the next room* ... Ahem.I guess I'm fucking stupid, considering that it took several orders that took over 30 minutes (at a minimum) to wrestle with the online interface to place an order. After enough of this, one does tend to learn how the thing works, but it is among the least intuitive online purchase systems I've encountered.I don't think it's bad enough to invoke the ADA over, but it is bad enough to give a 1 or 2 star response to the "how would you rate your online order experience?" survey question. ... Heh, except they broke that in the app in one of the latest updates, so all the vote options just say "star". Are they in ascending or descending order? Guess they don't want my feedback anymore.This is all spread out over the past 5 years, keep in mind. Though I don't remember noticing their site change much. The app is way less clunky. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453241/#p453241 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance livrobo wrote:#26:I agree. I'd be all for the lawsuit if it weren't for the supreme court. I'm really not convinced that the precedent game is worth playing here, because if it goes in Domino's favor, I can see that leading to other companies becoming more lax on accessibility.Maybe the ambiguity over whether or not the ADA applies to these websites and apps is a good thing.I don't think the ambiguity is a good thing, I just thing this is really horrible timing to bring an ADA lawsuit given the court's current make-up. I'm just hoping this doesn't blow up in our faces, because as you said, this could result in a more lax attitude towards web accessibility.livrobo wrote:On another note, trying to discuss this on other social platforms can be a frustrating experience.I think it's interesting how little the general public knows about accessibility. I understand not knowing specifics about screen readers, but many people get hung up on why we would even be using a website in the first place. That really holds discussion back.It's also infuriating IMO. Why would we be using the web? Because you can, so we should be able to. At its core, that's all it boils down to. If you have the ability to use something, we should be able to use that same thing too. Sure, it's more nuanced than that, but I think that's the baseline.flameAlchemist wrote:does it have to go to the supreme court? couldn't it go to one of the lower courts?It already went to a federal appeals court who ruled in favor of the blind person bringing the suit, and Domino's has appealed that decision to the Supreme Court. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453164/#p453164 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance My overall concern is the precedent set here if Dominos wins. With the makeup of the supreme court the way it is, this could set things back. (Also, I'm pretty sure Domino's lost the case in the ninth Circuit) http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/o … -55504.pdf URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453161/#p453161 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance does it have to go to the supreme court? couldn't it go to one of the lower courts? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453153/#p453153 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance little seazers is good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453099/#p453099 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance On another note, trying to discuss this on other social platforms can be a frustrating experience.I think it's interesting how little the general public knows about accessibility. I understand not knowing specifics about screen readers, but many people get hung up on why we would even be using a website in the first place. That really holds discussion back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453083/#p453083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance On another note, trying to discuss this on other social platforms can be a frustrating experience.I think it's interesting how little the general public knows about accessibility. I understand not knowing specifics about accessibility software, but many people get hung up on why we would even be using a website in the first place. That really holds discussion back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453083/#p453083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance On another note, trying to discuss this on other social platforms is a pretty frustrating experience.I think it's interesting how little the general public knows about accessibility. I can understand not knowing specifics about accessibility software, but many people get hung up on why we would even be using a website in the first place. That really holds discussion back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453083/#p453083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance On another note, trying to discuss this on other social platforms is a pretty frustrating experience.I think it's interesting how little the general public knows about accessibility. I can understand not knowing specifics about accessibility software like screen readers, but many people get hung up on why we would even be using a website in the first place. That really holds discussion back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453083/#p453083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance On another note, trying to discuss this on other social platforms is a pretty frustrating experience.I think it's interesting how little the general public knows about accessibility. I can understand not knowing how accessibility software like screen readers work, but many people get hung up on why we would even be using a website in the first place. That really holds discussion back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453083/#p453083 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance #26:I agree. I'd be all for the lawsuit if it weren't for the supreme court. I'm really not convinced that the precedent game is worth playing here, because if it goes in Domino's favor, I can see that leading to other companies becoming more lax on accessibility.Maybe the ambiguity over whether or not the ADA applies to these websites and apps is a good thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453082/#p453082 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance #26:I agree. I wish we new more specifics about what exactly the issues are. I have a feeling that this is going to go in Domino's favor, and that's probably going to lead to other companies becoming a bit more lax when it comes to accessibility. The precedent game may backfire completely.Reading about and trying to discuss this story on other social platforms is pretty frustrating. I think it's astounding how incapable the general public think we are when it comes to using technology. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453080/#p453080 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance aaronespinozaca wrote:@14@15@16The website might just have minor accessibility problems. It's called ADA Trolling. Here is an article talking about it from a blind person perspective.https://www.chrishofstader.com/its-gott … ear-later/Yes, but is that what is *really* happening here, or does the case hold weight. Some people say there are accessibility issues while others say there aren't. I can't test it for myself because the nearest Domino's is over 4 hours away.livrobo wrote:This case has been going on for over 3 years, so it's possible that Domino's has already fixed the accessibility issue. I think that the person bringing the lawsuit is trying to set precedent. If that's true , continuing to press may not be a very good idea.I don't know very much about law in general, but I'd imagine that their case holds less weight if the main issues have already been fixed. If this goes in Domino's favor, and it very well may, it could suck.That is my concern also. If this goes wrong, it could go very badly for us. But in this case, I don't think setting precedent is necessarily a bad idea, so long as that isn't the major reason for bringing the case. Sure, I'd probably drop it if they fixed things, but if they've not and are being belligerent about it, I'd take them to task with the secondary hope that it might harden interpretation of the ADA for digital accessibility. However, that's also a dangerous game especially given the court's current make-up. I just hope the suit has merit, otherwise, as I said earlier, this could go very badly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453075/#p453075 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
2019-08-03
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance @14@15@16The website might just have minor accessibility problems. It's called ADA Trolling. Here is an article talking about it from a blind person perspective.https://www.chrishofstader.com/its-gott … ear-later/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453062/#p453062 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance I use the app and it has some miner accessibility issues. but still can be navigated to order a pizza. some of the buttons aren't labeled.the important ones are. the website I never tried so I can't say. If they really had trouble they could have just called. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453050/#p453050 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-08-03
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance wate, is Skip the Dishes, accessabel i tryed and, unlabeled buttons URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453047/#p453047 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Yeah. Around where I live, there are super good nonchain resturants that are loads better than the pizza chains. They also seem to be a little more expensive, but most of them aren't, and the ingredients are of much higher quality. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453041/#p453041 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
2019-08-03
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Draq wrote:What amuses me most is that the lawsuit, if they lose, is probably going to cost them more than complying and making the site accessible. I believe that was around $48000 or somewhere in that range.What angers me, however, is this attitude of "We're not going to do it because we don't legally have to and it's going to cost a tiny bit of money, so screw disabled people."I have to wonder if things would be different now if the customer had justm ade a polite request before going all lawsuit happy, unless they did.They should have use the Structured Negotiation method.@4https://www.lflegal.com/book/ URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/453037/#p453037 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance This case has been going on for over 3 years, so it's possible that Domino's has already fixed the accessibility issue. I think that the person bringing the lawsuit is trying to set precedent. If that's true , continuing to press may not be a very good idea.I don't know very much about law in general, but I'd imagine that their case holds less weight if the main issues have already been fixed. If this goes in Domino's favor, and it very well may, it could suck. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452997/#p452997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance This case has been going on for over 3 years, so it's possible that Domino's has already fixed the accessibility issue. I think that the person bringing the lawsuit is trying to set precedent. If that's true , continuing the case may not be a very good idea.I don't know very much about law in general, but I'd imagine that their case holds less weight if the main issues have already been fixed. If this goes in Domino's favor, and it very well may, it could suck. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452997/#p452997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance This case has been going on for over 3 years, so it's entirely possible that Domino's has fixed the accessibility issue. I think that the person bringing the lawsuit is trying to set precedent. If that's true , continuing the case may not be a very good idea.I don't know very much about law in general, but I'd imagine that their case holds less weight if the main issues have already been fixed. If this goes in Domino's favor, and it very well may, it could suck. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452997/#p452997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance One thing I think people may be forgetting is that this case has been going on for over 3 years. It's entirely possible that Domino's has fixed the accessibility issue. I think that the person bringing the lawsuit is trying to set precedent. If that's true , continuing the case may not be a very good idea.I don't know very much about law in general, but I'd imagine that their case holds less weight if the main issues have already been fixed. If this goes in Domino's favor, and it very well may, it could suck. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452997/#p452997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance One thing I think people may be forgetting is that this case has been going on for over 3 years. It's entirely possible that Domino's has fixed the accessibility issue. I think that the person bringing the lawsuit is trying to set precedent. If that's true , continuing the case may not be a very good idea.I don't know very much about law in general, but I'd imagine that their case holds less weight if the main issues have already been fixed. If this goes in Domino's favor, and it very well may, it could suck for us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452997/#p452997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance One thing I think people may be forgetting is that this case has been going on for over 3 years. It's entirely possible that Domino's has fixed the accessibility issue, and the person bringing the case may be trying to set precedent. If that's true , continuing the case may not be a very good idea.I don't know very much about law in general, but I'd imagine that their case holds less weight if the main issues have already been fixed. If this goes in Domino's favor, and it very well may, it could suck for us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452997/#p452997 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Just want to point a few things out here for people to consider.A. Often their are app/online only deals that people who can't use that would miss out on.B. If using the telephone was just as easy, why would they have ever created an app or online ordering system in the first place? I believe that we should be allowed the same convenience, and Dominos implying their are other ways to order that are just as good is deliberate cognitive dissonance, E.G. they are selling them selves short only when it's convenient but will turn right around and advertize the ease and benefit of using their app in the next breath when it suits them.Plus lets not forget that their are significantly fewer people manning the phones now, with generally worse training because why bother when so many people just order on line? So your service almost certainly wont' be as good, and this is a direct result of them pushing as hard as possible for people to use other methods for years because it's easier for them too.C. The ADA definitely should be updated for the internet age I agree, . But the main argument they have from what I can tell is simply that websites and apps shouldn't count as public services, which is purposely dishonest when telephone calls even to a private company of this size would. So basically they are trying to dance around their responsibility and use a loophole. Some people have said we should cut them a break because all they want is legal clarification, but as others have mentioned, the cost of doing this is nothing for them anyway and you can tell by their statements what their true reasons for making this an issue are.D. Dominos is considered to be quite a right wing conservative company by higher level X employees and those who live around the headquarters, and the CEO is a literal religious zealot and honest to god (see what I did there?) maniac, which you can see for your self by doing some research on him. Neither of those groups has a great track record with the disabled...E. People say the blind guy is making something out of nothing, but he can't have made this case by him self. I'm sure he has the support of a few blindness organizations like the NFB behind him, and it's not just Dominos using this excuse either, so is Amazon for instance... So it's important that a decision be made sooner rather than later as we're already way behind the curve on this. It's not simply that some blind guy didn't wana use the telephone after trying to order a couple times online and getting frustrated, it's much bigger than that.Thankfully Dominos sucks ass anyway though... Even comapred to all the other major pizza chains, So it won't be too painful to boycott it if you decide to do that. LOL URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452991/#p452991 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Just want to point a few things out here for people to consider.A. Often their are app/online only deals that people who can't use that would miss out on.B. If using the telephone was just as easy, why would they have ever created an app or online ordering system in the first place? I believe that we should be allowed the same convenience, and Pizza Hut implying their are other ways to order that are just as good is deliberate cognitive dissonance, E.G. they are selling them selves short only when it's convenient but will turn right around and advertize the ease and benefit of using their app in the next breath when it suits them.Plus lets not forget that their are significantly fewer people manning the phones now, with generally worse training because why bother when so many people just order on line? So your service almost certainly wont' be as good, and this is a direct result of them pushing as hard as possible for people to use other methods for years because it's easier for them too.C. The ADA definitely should be updated for the internet age I agree, . But the main argument they have from what I can tell is simply that websites and apps shouldn't count as public services, which is purposely dishonest when telephone calls even to a private company of this size would. So basically they are trying to dance around their responsibility and use a loophole. Some people have said we should cut them a break because all they want is legal clarification, but as others have mentioned, the cost of doing this is nothing for them anyway and you can tell by their statements what their true reasons for making this an issue are.D. Pizza Hut is considered to be quite a right wing conservative company by higher level X employees and those who live around the headquarters, and the CEO is a literal religious zealot and honest to god (see what I did there?) maniac, which you can see for your self by doing some research on him. Neither of those groups has a great track record with the disabled...E. People say the blind guy is making something out of nothing, but he can't have made this case by him self. I'm sure he has the support of a few blindness organizations like the NFB behind him, and it's not just Pizza Hut using this excuse either, so is Amazon for instance... So it's important that a decision be made sooner rather than later as we're already way behind the curve on this. It's not simply that some blind guy didn't wana use the telephone after trying to order a couple times online and getting frustrated, it's much bigger than that.Thankfully Pizza Hut sucks ass anyway though... Even comapred to all the other major pizza chains, So it won't be too painful to boycott it if you decide to do that. LOL URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452991/#p452991 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Just want to point a few things out here for people to consider.A. Often their are app/online only deals that people who can't use that would miss out on.B. If using the telephone was just as easy, why would they have ever created an app or online ordering system in the first place? I believe that we should be allowed the same convenience, and Pizza Hut implying their are other ways to order that are just as good is deliberate cognitive dissonance, E.G. they are selling them selves short only when it's convenient but will turn right around and advertize the ease and benefit of using their app in the next breath when it suits them.Plus lets not forget that their are significantly fewer people manning the phones now, with generally worse training because why bother when so many people just order on line? So your service almost certainly wont' be as good, and this is a direct result of them pushing as hard as possible for people to use other methods for years because it's easier for them too.C. The ADA definitely should be updated for the internet age it's true, but the main argument they have from what I can see is simply that websites and apps don't count as public services, when telephone calls even to a private company of this size would be. So basically they are trying to dance around their responsibility and use a loophole. Some people have said we should cut them a break because all they want is clarification, but as others have said the cost of doing this is nothing for them anyway and you can see by their statements what their true reasons for making this an issue are.D. Pizza Hut is considered to be quite a right wing conservative company by higher level X employees and those who live around the headquarters, and the CEO is a literal religious zealot and honest to god (see what I did there?) maniac, which you can hear for your self by doing some research on him. Neither of those groups has a great track record with the disabled...E. People say the blind guy is making something out of nothing, but he can't have made this case by him self. I'm sure he has the support of a few blindness organizations like the NFB behind him, and it's not just Pizza Hut using this excuse either, so is Amazon for instance... So it's important that a decision be made sooner rather than later as we're already way behind the curve on this.Thankfully Pizza Hut sucks ass anyway though... Even comapred to all the other major pizza chains, So it won't be too painful to boycott it if you decide to do that. LOL URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452991/#p452991 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Just want to point a few things out here for people to consider.A. Often their are app/online only deals that people who can't use that would miss out on.B. If using the telephone was just as easy, why would they have ever created an app or online ordering system in the first place? I believe that we should be allowed the same convenience, and Pizza Hut implying their are other ways to order that are just as good is deliberate cognitive dissonance, E.G. they are selling them selves short only when it's convenient.C. The ADA definitely should be updated for the internet age it's true, but the main argument they have from what I can see is simply that websites and apps don't count as public services, when telephone calls even to a private company of this size would be. So basically they are trying to dance around their responsibility and use a loophole. Some people have said we should cut them a break because all they want is clarification, but as others have said the cost of doing this is nothing for them anyway and you can see by their statements what their true reasons for making this an issue are.D. Pizza Hut is considered to be quite a right wing conservative company by higher level X employees and those who live around the headquarters, and the CEO is a literal religious zealot and honest to god (see what I did there?) maniac, which you can hear for your self by doing some research on him. Neither of those groups has a great track record with the disabled...E. People say the blind guy is making something out of nothing, but he can't have made this case by him self. I'm sure he has the support of a few blindness organizations like the NFB behind him, and it's not just Pizza Hut using this excuse either, so is Amazon for instance... So it's important that a decision be made sooner rather than later as we're already way behind the curve on this.Thankfully Pizza Hut sucks ass anyway though... Even comapred to all the other major pizza chains, So it won't be too painful to boycott it if you decide to do that. LOL URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452991/#p452991 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance michaelhoffman1976 wrote:This is bullshit I've never had a problem with this website. that blind person is either incompetent or a fucking idiot .Where are you located out of curiosity? Are you using the same website as @CAE_Jones? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452941/#p452941 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
2019-08-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Jaidon . vinnie_ware via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Hi. This reminds me of a similar case in the 1970's. But this was a auto case. Ford wanted to make a small car to compete with the Japanese auto makers like Toyota, Hunda and Datsun, now known as Nissan. So, the president of ford, Lee Iacoca pushed production of the Pinto. He wanted the engineers to develop it in 2 years, and, it must be no more than 2000 pounds heavy. So it came to market. They put the gas tank behind the rare axals. This made it extremely vonerable to exploding in a rare inpact. Ford did some math, and valued a life of 200K Us and found that if they had to repair the Pinto, it would cost more than that. So Americans bought the Pinto and were happy with it. Then, in the mid 70's, Ford was discovered. And they found out about there life evaluation, and just for that, a judge ordered that Ford payout 100 mil to 1 person. Anyway, Domino's maybe thought that blind people would find some form of assistance and didnt find it important to cater to maybe .6% of their total sales. But the person could have at least have some form of assistance or at least check out the site and take time to scan it. I'm intrested to see what happens. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452912/#p452912 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance There are three points worth making here.First, while I wouldn't put it nearly as harshly, I'm in agreement with 14 here. When I first heard about this lawsuit last weekend, the first thing I did was go online, and run through the order process. For the record, while not perfect, it is accessible if you take a few minutes to figure out where all the prompts are appearing on screen (they usually show up at the bottom, but without moving your cursor or announcing anything, so you need to jump back to the start of the order section repeatedly). After my first few runs, I suspect it would be faster for me to use their website than to call in on the phone.Second, is that if the chain did blatantly dismiss a request for help, frivolous or not, then my sympathies for them are going to be reduced quite a lot. Whether or not you choose to make all avenues accessible (I've seen the def using voice conferencing via voice recognition, for instance), throwing an arrogant denial at somebody basically signs you up for trouble, and at least partially deserved trouble, at that.Third and finally, is that there are way too many of these lawsuits going on right now. This is not the first time I've heard of somebody getting sued for accessibility, gone on their website, and done exactly what the plaintiff claims they couldn't... usually in under five minutes. I'm aware that there are different levels of screen reader and internet familiarity out there, and that different people will have different amounts of trouble with certain websites, but the sheer number of legal complaints about issues that aren't nearly as bad as the plaintiffs describe gives our community a bad name and image. As a member of said community, I'm more likely to find myself embarrassed than supportive when I read yet another article about somebody suing yet another company over their website, when there's far, far worse accessibility in massively mainstream products that we could all benefit from (can anybody site me to a fully accessible and commonly used piece of personal finance software?) URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452883/#p452883 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Have to agree with Michael here, although I maybe wouldn't have worded it quite so harshly. I order from there a lot and have never ran into accessibility issues. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452878/#p452878 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
2019-08-03
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : michaelhoffman1976 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance This is bullshit I've never had a problem with this website. that blind person is either incompetent or a fucking idiot . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452873/#p452873 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance I agree with Cae jones here. Lets be honest, if they had refused to provide wheel chair access to their physical restaurants, people would justifiably be up in arms, and its not as is such if web or ap accessibility is such a big deal these days, especially for a company who, as Cae said spend such a lot of development time tweaking their interface and inserting self promotional crap.Generally I've noticed the larger the company, the less willing they are to provide accessibility, so while I'm not too keen on the hole "lets sue everybody" ethos, and while I'd always be in favour of making reasonable accommodations," access wise (as I said in my Phd thesis), in this case Dominoes should definitely be taken to task. oh, and btw, in Britain at least, Dominoes are so unreasonably priced that unless! you get an offer, your basically talking stupid amounts of money, EG about £15 for a small 8 inch pizza, that's roughly 19 dollars. If you get an offer, they actually become about the same price as every other pizza place everywhere, which sort of makes the hole offer thing a bit pointless . I remember being in London a few years ago, having just finished a day's very hard vocal workshop and seriously in need of ordering some food to the hotel. I called dominoes (the only option at the time), wanting a medium (Ie 10 or 11 inch pizza), a side of wedges and a drink. Not only did the hole lot cost me £25, that's thirty one dollars (though would've been more back then), but the guy on the phone told me I could get it for two quid cheaper if I ordered two pizzas! which considering I was sitting in a room in a very nice hotel was definitely out.And we wonder why so many people in the world are suffering from obesity?I also personally find their stuff so processed it tastes positively artificial, since I'd personally prefer my meat, cheese spices etc on a pizza to taste of meat, cheese and spices, not of sugar and random chemicals . Oh, and I'm with Simba on the thin Itallian style crusts too, though I confess I like a good Calzone on occasion as well.I used to be a fan of pappa jons better both in terms of flavour, and in terms of price, and indeed my lady and I have ordered from their website which is quite accessible, though recently they're prices are going the same way as Dominoes, the other day we each ordered a Pizza, her a small, mine a medium, with a side order to go with it, the hole lot cost £42, that's 52 dollars! no drinks, no deserts, just a small and medium pizza and two side orders. I used a %50 offer to get it for $£21. The irony, is that we only went to Pappa Johns because our nice local place Grilliano was closed for the weak, and had we gone to Grilliano, we could've got the same thing, a small and medium pizza each, with side orders, plus a drink and some of their nice fudge cake for me, for the same price, and that assuming they don't just randomly throw in the drink for free as they often do because we're good customers . Oh, and their food is also fresh, not processed and extremely nice as well, they do a very awesome calzoni, and even a seafood \Pizza with Tuna and Prawns that my lady is very partial too. Now I'm making myself hungry . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452857/#p452857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance I agree with Cae jones here. Lets be honest, if they had refused to provide wheel chair access to their physical restaurants, people would justifiably be up in arms, and its not as is such if web or ap accessibility is such a big deal these days, especially for a company who, as Cae said spend such a lot of development time tweaking their interface and inserting self promotional crap.Generally I've noticed the larger the company, the less willing they are to provide accessibility, so while I'm not too keen on the hole "lets sue everybody" ethos, and while I'd always be in favour of making reasonable accommodations," access wise (as I said in my Phd thesis), in this case Dominoes should definitely be taken to task. oh, and btw, in Britain at least, Dominoes are so unreasonably priced that unless! you get an offer, your basically talking stupid amounts of money, EG about £15 for a small pizza, that's roughly 19 dollars. If you get an offer, they actually become about the same price as every other pizza place everywhere, which sort of makes the hole offer thing a bit pointless . I remember being in London a few years ago, having just finished a day's very hard vocal workshop and seriously in need of ordering some food to the hotel. I called dominoes (the only option at the time), wanting a medium (Ie 10 or 11 inch pizza), a side of wedges and a drink. Not only did the hole lot cost me £25, that's thirty one dollars (though would've been more back then), but the guy on the phone told me I could get it for two quid cheaper if I ordered two pizzas! which considering I was sitting in a room in a very nice hotel was definitely out.And we wonder why so many people in the world are suffering from obesity?I also personally find their stuff so processed it tastes positively artificial, since I'd personally prefer my meat, cheese spices etc on a pizza to taste of meat, cheese and spices, not of sugar and random chemicals . Oh, and I'm with Simba on the thin Itallian style crusts too, though I confess I like a good Calzone on occasion as well.I used to be a fan of pappa jons better both in terms of flavour, and in terms of price, and indeed my lady and I have ordered from their website which is quite accessible, though recently they're prices are going the same way as Dominoes, the other day we each ordered a Pizza, her a small, mine a medium, with a side order to go with it, the hole lot cost £42, that's 52 dollars! no drinks, no deserts, just a small and medium pizza and two side orders. I used a %50 offer to get it for $£21. The irony, is that we only went to Pappa Johns because our nice local place Grilliano was closed for the weak, and had we gone to Grilliano, we could've got the same thing, a small and medium pizza each, with side orders, plus a drink and some of their nice fudge cake for me, for the same price, and that assuming they don't just randomly throw in the drink for free as they often do because we're good customers . Oh, and their food is also fresh, not processed and extremely nice as well, they do a very awesome calzoni, and even a seafood \Pizza with Tuna and Prawns that my lady is very partial too. Now I'm making myself hungry . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452857/#p452857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance I agree with Cae jones here. Lets be honest, if they had refused to provide wheel chair access to their physical restaurants, people would justifiably be up in arms, and its not as is such if web or ap accessibility is such a big deal these days, especially for a company who, as Cae said spend such a lot of development time tweaking their interface and inserting self promotional crap.Generally I've noticed the larger the company, the less willing they are to provide accessibility, so while I'm not too keen on the hole "lets sue everybody" ethos, and while I'd always be in favour of making reasonable accommodations," access wise (as I said in my Phd thesis), in this case Dominoes should definitely be taken to task. oh, and btw, in Britain at least, Dominoes are so unreasonably priced that unless! you get an offer, your basically talking stupid amounts of money, EG about £14 for a small pizza, that's roughly 18 dollars. If you get an offer, they actually become about the same price as every other pizza place everywhere, which sort of makes the hole offer thing a bit pointless . I remember being in London a few years ago, having just finished a day's very hard vocal workshop and seriously in need of ordering some food to the hotel. I called dominoes (the only option at the time), wanting a medium (Ie 10 or 11 inch pizza), a side of wedges and a drink. Not only did the hole lot cost me £25, that's thirty one dollars (though would've been more back then), but the guy on the phone told me I could get it for two quid cheaper if I ordered two pizzas! which considering I was sitting in a room in a very nice hotel was definitely out.And we wonder why so many people in the world are suffering from obesity?I also personally find their stuff so processed it tastes positively artificial, since I'd personally prefer my meat, cheese spices etc on a pizza to taste of meat, cheese and spices, not of sugar and random chemicals . Oh, and I'm with Simba on the thin Itallian style crusts too, though I confess I like a good Calzone on occasion as well.I used to be a fan of pappa jons better both in terms of flavour, and in terms of price, and indeed my lady and I have ordered from their website which is quite accessible, though recently they're prices are going the same way as Dominoes, the other day we each ordered a Pizza, her a small, mine a medium, with a side order to go with it, the hole lot cost £42, that's 52 dollars! no drinks, no deserts, just a small and medium pizza and two side orders. I used a %50 offer to get it for $£21. The irony, is that we only went to Pappa Johns because our nice local place Grilliano was closed for the weak, and had we gone to Grilliano, we could've got the same thing, a small and medium pizza each, with side orders, plus a drink and some of their nice fudge cake for me, for the same price, and that assuming they don't just randomly throw in the drink for free as they often do because we're good customers . Oh, and their food is also fresh, not processed and extremely nice as well, they do a very awesome calzoni, and even a seafood \Pizza with Tuna and Prawns that my lady is very partial too. Now I'm making myself hungry . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452857/#p452857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance I agree with Cae jones here. Lets be honest, if they had refused to provide wheel chair access to their physical restaurants, people would justifiably be up in arms, and its not as is such if web or ap accessibility is such a big deal these days, especially for a company who, as Cae said spend such a lot of development time tweaking their interface and inserting self promotional crap.Generally I've noticed the larger the company, the less willing they are to provide accessibility, so while I'm not too keen on the hole "lets sue everybody" ethos, and while I'd always be in favour of asking about "reasonable accommodations," in this case Dominoes should definitely be taken to task. oh, and btw, in Britain at least, Dominoes are so unreasonably priced that unless! you get an offer, your basically talking stupid amounts of money, EG about £14 for a small pizza, that's roughly 18 dollars. If you get an offer, they actually become about the same price as every other pizza place everywhere, which sort of makes the hole offer thing a bit pointless . I remember being in London a few years ago, having just finished a day's very hard vocal workshop and seriously in need of ordering some food to the hotel. I called dominoes (the only option at the time), wanting a medium (Ie 10 or 11 inch pizza), a side of wedges and a drink. Not only did the hole lot cost me £25, that's thirty one dollars (though would've been more back then), but the guy on the phone told me I could get it for two quid cheaper if I ordered two pizzas! which considering I was sitting in a room in a very nice hotel was definitely out.And we wonder why so many people in the world are suffering from obesity?I also personally find their stuff so processed it tastes positively artificial, since I'd personally prefer my meat, cheese spices etc on a pizza to taste of meat, cheese and spices, not of sugar and random chemicals . Oh, and I'm with Simba on the thin Itallian style crusts too, though I confess I like a good Calzone on occasion as well.I used to be a fan of pappa jons better both in terms of flavour, and in terms of price, and indeed my lady and I have ordered from their website which is quite accessible, though recently they're prices are going the same way as Dominoes, the other day we each ordered a Pizza, her a small, mine a medium, with a side order to go with it, the hole lot cost £42, that's 52 dollars! no drinks, no deserts, just a small and medium pizza and two side orders. I used a %50 offer to get it for $£21. The irony, is that we only went to Pappa Johns because our nice local place Grilliano was closed for the weak, and had we gone to Grilliano, we could've got the same thing, a small and medium pizza each, with side orders, plus a drink and some of their nice fudge cake for me, for the same price, and that assuming they don't just randomly throw in the drink for free as they often do because we're good customers . Oh, and their food is also fresh, not processed and extremely nice as well, they do a very awesome calzoni, and even a seafood \Pizza with Tuna and Prawns that my lady is very partial too. Now I'm making myself hungry . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452857/#p452857 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance But Dominos' has three types of crust? Although, if you're thinking of the Pizza Inn style, they don't have that one.Particularly annoying is that they require updating the app to keep using it, and the updates have, as of late, made accessibility worse.Re: phone as alternative, is there a way to use their Piece of the Pie program over the phone? Because if not, inaccessibility literally costs us money. There are numerous online-only offers to incentivize using the app.And their site and the app have always been frustrating piles of clunk and confusion wrapped in annoying "listen to how hip we are" phrases. How bad they are varies from month to month for no apparent reason (what is it with constantly fluctuating UIs?).So, yeah, after all the above, seeing them complaining about the ADA is pretty frustrating. Just use standard controls and label them right, yeesh! Why is this so difficult? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452843/#p452843 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Hi.Jaide, while 13 bucks is certainly a good price for a large pizza, when you get something labeled as a large pizza but which is only the size of a small or medium pizza compared to the rest of the pizza stores you have in your arria and what's generally noted as small or medium in the rest of Germany, i think Dominos is way overpriced which makes it not that atractive for me.We have multiple apps for delivery services, the only chain stores wwe really have are Dominos and Burger King, the rest are all stores run independently, so pizza stores, chinese, indian, american and things like that.I also think that Dominos pizzas are missing the good crust you find on italian style which I prefer over the american ones, just to much doe which is far to fluffy for my taste, I prefer the thinner and crustier italian pizzas.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452834/#p452834 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Thirteen bucks for a large pizza is actually fairly good, price-wise. Domino's large pizzas are no smaller nor bigger than any I've seen. My only real issue is their sauce, which sometimes gripes my belly and gives me acid reflux. But their toppings are fresh and their crust is decent. I feel like their prices are pretty reasonable; Pizza Hut is worse by far, for instance. That said, I have had far better pizza in my day, too. I really miss chicken kickers though; damn those things are good.We have an app/website here in Canada called Skip the Dishes, which has gained a ton of traction. Lots of pizza places, but funnily neither Pizza Hut nor Domino's is with them. We have Pizza Pizza, Papa John's, Gino's, Pizza Nova, Toppers and a whole list of non-chain restaurants none of you will have heard of before, even if you're Canadian like me...but yeah, no Domino's and no Pizza Hut. I personally can just phone in and do it that way if I want to order from a restaurant that's not on Skip. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452829/#p452829 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Hi.@Jaide lol well, we still have the chicken kickers over here in Germany, yep, Dominos bought up a german pizza chain and made it their own.but I'm curious, aren't you able to access the Dominos restaurants through a delivery app? At leased over here you have apps which show a bunch of delivery services and dominos is among them. I tried dominos a few times and well, they don't really taste good and the pizzas are far to pricy, 13 bucks for a large pizza which looks like a small one in most other pizza places? No thanks.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452821/#p452821 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Pizza Hut's website was pretty bad last time i remember using it, the app wasn't the greatest either.. Luckily I can always call in and that honestly makes things a lot easier if I want deals on the few times i order pizza, i'll have someone look at it with me since I'm usually sharing whatever I order with at least one other person.. That being said I do know first hand how ignorant (whether purposely or not) some people are when it comes to accessibility, I was at a presentation last year with many different schools there and I was the person they chose to demonstrate what proper accessibility was supposed to look like (they said I did ok but never again), and people just have no idea.. And as someone who knows the world isn't designed for people like me I'm not angry at them for that and I don't think getting up on a soapbox and howling the same non-acceptance bullshit that every feminist likes to spew these days is the rite way to go about it.. Unless of course they've shown complete indifference and even contempt, then hell yeah, don't support them, and shove a lawsuit up their ass, because to be ignorant and willing to learn and put in the resources to make your business more open to as many as possible is perfectly fine, but being an asshole that waits for pressure from the oh-so-almighty law before doing anything makes me lose all respect for said company. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452813/#p452813 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
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Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance yeah, wen dealing with companies sumtimes you dont get a grate response URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452809/#p452809 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Draq wrote:What amuses me most is that the lawsuit, if they lose, is probably going to cost them more than complying and making the site accessible. I believe that was around $48000 or somewhere in that range.What angers me, however, is this attitude of "We're not going to do it because we don't legally have to and it's going to cost a tiny bit of money, so screw disabled people."I have to wonder if things would be different now if the customer had justm ade a polite request before going all lawsuit happy, unless they did.In my experience advocating for the availability of audio description on TV stations in my state, polite requests are sometimes met with silence, or worse, a flat "we're not going to do it until we are required by law". A general mannager overseeing two stations in my local market told me that when I contacted him inquiring about the availability of Audio Description on the two TV stations he operates. Prior experience with such icy reactions tells me that is what happened when this person first contacted Domino's, hence the legal action. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452803/#p452803 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance Draq wrote:What amuses me most is that the lawsuit, if they lose, is probably going to cost them more than complying and making the site accessible. I believe that was around $48000 or somewhere in that range.What angers me, however, is this attitude of "We're not going to do it because we don't legally have to and it's going to cost a tiny bit of money, so screw disabled people."I have to wonder if things would be different now if the customer had justm ade a polite request before going all lawsuit happy, unless they did.In my experience advocating for the availability of audio description on TV stations in my state, polite requests are sometimes met with silence, or worse, a flat "we're not going to do it until we are required by law". Prior experience with such reactions tells me that is what happened when this person first contacted Domino's, hence the legal action. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452803/#p452803 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance The precedent Domino's is probably worrying about here is "how much is too much?". Now, let me be clear. I don't like it, I don't agree with it and I think it's bullshit, but I think it's a little bit more than just "we don't want to spend a little bit of money". Here's probably what they're thinking. "Customers can use a web app; they can call on the phone; they can download the app to a mobile device and use that. This customer wasn't barred from ordering pizza, and most individuals will have at least one means to access our services. Are we really expected to make every single avenue to access our services accessible to everyone who might possibly want to? What would that mean for a deaf customer trying to use a telephone? Or someone who doesn't actually have a phone and who has limited internet skills trying to use the web interface?"Again, I don't agree with it. It's lazy, and it's a bit of a backdoor argument, one made in bad faith in my opinion. As a leftist I spit in the faces of arguments like this. My stance is simple: if it's not going to literally break you, and the net worth is that more customers have better ways to access your services, just freaking do it already, whether the courts make you or not. As a prior user in this thread said, the media backlash alone is going to hurt them here, and this isn't something most companies want.Incidentally, I actually like Domino's, especially their cheesy bread. They used to have these breaded chicken bites (I think they were called buffalo chicken kickers) that I absolutely fucking loved, but they're gone now, at least around here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452800/#p452800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance What amuses me most is that the lawsuit, if they lose, is probably going to cost them more than complying and making the site accessible. I believe that was around $48000 or somewhere in that range.What angers me, however, is this attitude of "We're not going to do it because we don't legally have to and it's going to cost a tiny bit of money, so screw disabled people."I have to wonder if things would be different now if the customer had justm ade a polite request before going all lawsuit happy, unless they did. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452798/#p452798 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance The funny thing is, i was going to post a topic about this in a few minutes, but checked the forum first, xd. But yeah, agree with 2. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452796/#p452796 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Re: Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance And... that's why Dominoe's pizza doesn't taste good... maybe not, but it's not good compared to most other pizza joints. Actual opinion time: These apps should be accessible, in my opinion, just due to the fact that every one else can use it. I know that's not a very good opinion, but I can't think of one better right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452789/#p452789 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance
Domino's Pizza Petitions Supreme Court Over ADA Compliance As reported by [arstechnica]:Domino's Pizza, facing a lawsuit from a blind customer over the inaccessability of their website and app, have petitioned the supreme court to clarify whether online market places are required to follow ADA standards of accessibility, arguing:"Websites and mobile apps do not become public accommodations simply by virtue of providing access to the goods and services of a brick-and-mortar enterprise," the pizza chain argues. The ADA "does not demand full accessibility for each and every means of accessing the goods or services a public accommodation provides to the public."As courts have split on the digital accessibility issue several times in the past two decades, Domino's said, the time is "ripe" for Supreme Court intervention.Thousands of lawsuits have been filed over the past few years over ADA violations of online services, and to be fair the ADA was written in the 1990's, before the digital domain went mainstream. Companies may not be sure what their obligations are, or whether or not they should comply. Then again, considering [WAI-ARIA] web accessibility standards have been a thing for some time, the argument seems a bit specious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/452780/#p452780 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
