Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Sadly FS has been screwing up this indestry for a while now. Remember that lawsute that they filed against GW for having the Placemarker tool in W.E? Who knows what things might have become had that lawsute not been filed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520918/#p520918 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hate to break up the party here but Window-Eyes had the same issue. In fact I saw it in W-E only and never in JAWS. That dreaded message about the remote procedure call problem and then you knew it was just a matter of time before W-E would completely stop responding and take your whole system with it...Right in the middle of important work. Thank Microsoft for saving temporary recovery data about whatever file you were working on in Word or Excel, lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520903/#p520903 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @80, point well taken. Actually the only reason I took the RPC jab was because I've personally dealt with it in JFW. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520814/#p520814 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @Rwbeardjr,You are definitely allowed to have a negative opinion of JAWS, but just be mindful, and not let this deteriorate into an all-out flame-war. Words are powerful. Remember that, everyone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520682/#p520682 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific You mean Communist Scientific right?And instead of JFW you mean FFW (FLAWS for Windows) right? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520668/#p520668 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @77, oh dear. Someone from some company called Freedom... freedom science... freedom... oh whatever! Will need to resolve that then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520649/#p520649 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Well now we have a new issue with the full voucher system, something along the lines of the remote procedure protocol failed and did not excecute. This reminds me of something called JFW, for some odd reason... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520633/#p520633 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @74, damn. I forgot about that. Whoops. Must be those stupid memz at work again... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520411/#p520411 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @74, damn. I forgot about that. Whoops. Must be those stupid memz at work again... :d URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520411/#p520411 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @74, damn. I forgot about that. Whoops. Must be the MEMZ at work again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520411/#p520411 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Oooh, I know what to do.voucher.restart().There, it should work now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520403/#p520403 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Yeah, well, the full voucher system is broken, something about performing an illegal operation and needing to shut down. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520395/#p520395 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @71, I did because that's literally what 66 could've done. There wasn't a need to paste a table into a forum post (which obviously won't see it as a table). And since they managed to paste that email too and other stuff they could've just linked to that information. And its not just us who have our three-letter acronyms either... we just have the largest set of acronyms. @72, sort of vouch for me? Ouch, man, that hurts. I thought practically everyone could've vouched for me now... I'll just have to see where things go. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520280/#p520280 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @71, I did because that's literally what 66 could've done. There wasn't a need to paste a table into a forum post (which obviously won't see it as a table). And since they managed to paste that email too and other stuff they could've just linked to that information. And its not just us who have our three-letter acronyms either... we just have the largest set of acronyms. xD@72, sort of vouch for me? Ouch, man, that hurts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520280/#p520280 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Heheh, @Munawar, Ethin has gotten better over the years... I'll kinda sort of vouch for him. He'll hit me up on occasion asking for advice if he feels he needs to, so he is at least listening, unlike fools we could probably list here who only seem to listen to themselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520240/#p520240 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Heh, @Munawar, Ethin has gotten better over the years... I'll kinda sort of vouch for him. He'll hit me up on occasion asking for advice if he feels he needs to, so he is at least listening, unlike fools we could probably list here who only seem to listen to themselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520240/#p520240 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Nope, I mean you @Ethin. You just *had to* say something concerning @66.Also, you Computer Scientists and your three-letter acronyms. Reminds me of my university days when a professor joked in a 4000 level course that that's all we're good for, three-letter acronyms. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520221/#p520221 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Nope, I mean you @Ethin. You just *had to* say something concerning @66. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520221/#p520221 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific No I think he meant 67 because they said the thing about just sending us a link rather than pasting the text here URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520126/#p520126 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @68, did you mean 66? I do agree with 69 though -- companies who use open-source and then turn around and deny particular open-source technologies are a bunch of hypocrites. You could argue that all the other source software out there are vehicles for RCE vulnerabilities, since RCE is so common, and its pretty rare for a large program (in LOC) to not have some kind of RCE vulnerability of some kind. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520117/#p520117 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific If you ask me, the companies who use Linux and then turn around and say oh no we can't use NVDA because of the open source factor are a bunch of hypocrites URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520112/#p520112 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @65: agreed. In fact most of the stuff where I work is open source: Redis, MYSQL, NodeJS, and (yes) Linux. Yet when it comes to NVDA, oh no we can't run it because it's open source.Once NVAccess releases a version with no add-on support I'm hoping we'll see a higher adoption rate in the workforce. I'm sure they can even come up with a way to lock down add-ons so they can't be conduits for arbitrary code execution.@64:The point here is that as it stands, NVDA itself is a vehicle for unauthorized code execution. Why put that vulnerability on your system when you can avoid it, especially in environments dealing with sensitive data?LOL @67: Did you get it out of your system now? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520109/#p520109 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @65: agreed. In fact most of the stuff where I work is open source: Redis, MYSQL, NodeJS, and (yes) Linux. Yet when it comes to NVDA, oh no we can't run it because it's open source.Once NVAccess releases a version with no add-on support I'm hoping we'll see a higher adoption rate in the workforce. I'm sure they can even come up with a way to lock down add-ons so they can't be conduits for arbitrary code execution.@64:The point here is that as it stands, NVDA itself is a vehicle for unauthorized code execution. Why put that vulnerability on your system when you can avoid it, especially in environments dealing with sensitive data? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520109/#p520109 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @65: agreed. In fact most of the stuff where I work is open source: Redis, MYSQL, NodeJS, and (yes) Linux. Yet when it comes to NVDA, oh no we can't run it because it's open source.Once NVAccess releases a version with no add-on support I'm hoping we'll see a higher adoption rate in the workforce. I'm sure they can even come up with a way to lock down add-ons so they can't be conduits for arbitrary code execution. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520109/#p520109 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @66, you could've just sent us links to that stuff, you know. Just saying. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520104/#p520104 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific As a 10 year Window-Eyes user, I thought it was great in the sense that you didn't have to purchase an aditional licence and so on and so forth. Plus, for a while it was ahead of its time and it could easally had become very popular and the guys who develop it now regret not getting a good share of the market and it turns out nobody from GW Micro had anything to do with the takeover of Window-Eyes by VFO. It was actually taught in a college by a blind guy named Robert Donald in Scotland. Below, is A message on the GW Micro list about his passing and the bio of the guy.On 21/05/2011 13:33, John Duff wrote:Dear List,I am sorry to say that one of the list members Robert Donald passed awayin the early hours of this morning. Robert is known to some list membersand to the staff at GW as he was in contact with them regularly viatelephone. Robert Donald from Coatbridge in Scotland was instrumental inbringing Window-eyes to the West of Scotland. He was a Lecturer atMotherwell College and in his time there taught hundreds of visuallyimpaired the intricacies of Window-eyes. He fought long and hard forblind people’s access to technology through screen reading programs likewindow-eyes.I was one of those students he taught and his memory will live with mefor a long time. There is so much more I could say about the guy but asimple thanks to him for what he had achieved and the help he gave toothers is amazing.Kindest Regards, JohnHere is Roberts bio.Robert Donald Biography.There are blind and Visually Impaired people, who take on huge challenges, who either give up or admit defeat. Robert did neither. He was born in a small town in the West of Scotland called Coatbridge. At the time it was a heavily industrialised area with Coal mines, Steel works and their associated businesses.Robert followed in the footsteps of his father and went from school to become an apprentice in an Engineering company. In his early Twenties he was diagnosed with Diabetes type 1. A very debilitating medical condition for anyone to deal with. Robert was by that time married with two children. As his condition deteriorated his sight began to fail. Society at that time had very little to offer blind people with the means of employment. Employment was itself diminishing in the area, as Heavy industrial companies closed and moved out of the district.Robert decided to learn Braille by himself. At that time there were no screen reading programs and the only talking computer was a bib model. He then applied to Glasgow University for a Mathematics Degree course, which he subsequently passed with honours. Once again jobs for blind people in this field were impossible to secure. He then returned to College to further his academic qualifications. The route he took was through Motherwell College. In 1995 a Company called GWMicro produced a screen reader for blind people. There were other screen readers on the market but Robert found this program to his liking. He learned all he could about Window-eyes and was aware at the time that this new world of computing and the internet was about to change the lives of the entire world. For the first time he felt blind people could participate in this new technology and change their lives forever. When his studying was completed he approached Motherwell College board of trustees with an ambitious plan for blind people. He advocated that a classroom be set up Where Visually Impaired and blind people could be trained on a special program called Window-eyes. This program assisted him immensely with his studies at Motherwell College. He never gave up his dream and continually persuaded Lecturer’s and Management in the College that this would ensure Visually impaired and blind people, could progress from Motherwell College to Higher Education and then into the workplace.After several years of dedicating his time to prove his dream was a worthwhile project. His dream did come true.In 1992, a classroom was dedicated to exactly what Robert Donald had dreamed of. A place where ordinary blind and Visually Impaired people could learn about the world of computing, the world of Microsoft Office and an opportunity to put their skills to move upwards into Higher Education. Their World was their Oyster. With this self-arming knowledge, what was a normal life, having to depend on people to read them Daily Newspaper’s, Books and Letter’s was now in their own hands. With this revolutionary technology, they could do all these things and more. They were not alone in the world. Every aspect of the World Wide Web was at their fingertips with this new innovative screen reading program called Window-eyes. Robert taught hundreds of Student’s in the West of Scotland all about Window-eyes, the Internet, and Microsoft Office and about the power of Window-eyes itself. His dedication and strength of commitment was second to none. He continually ensured that his student’s had the latest computer’s, the l
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific There was Window-Eyes, but that thing was not very good and that's a different discussion for a different day. Also, why should anyone, whether personal or blindness organization have to pay for a synthesized voice to tell you what's on your screen? I'm sorry, but that's stupid.And @59, I'm going to say what a lot of people say when the open source thing is brought up. Businesses use Linux, so what's wrong with NVDA? Linux is open sourced URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520087/#p520087 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific If an attacker gains access to your file system, the least you will worry about is your NVDA addons being modified. If I had access to your files, why would I modify a screen reader addon when I could instead run my own scripts? You should instead worry about how the attacker got access in the firstplace. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520036/#p520036 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Are they actually working on a version of NVDA that's designed to be secure? If so, that's awesome! I thought the only thing they had was their corporate page. My idea was to disable logging, add-ons, and the Python console. This should be enough to let NVDA function in a highly secure environment. Most add-ons are not necessary. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520035/#p520035 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific The thing that would scare me away from installing NVDA in a secure environment would be how easily an add-on can be updated without your knowledge.The NVDA repo contains vetted add-ons only. However, I was shocked when I started developing an add-on that all I had to do was replace or update the downloaded Python script and restart NVDA, and the screen-reader would happily run the new add-on. It opens NVDA up to an attack of this nature:1. Download a perfectly legitimate add-on from the add-on repo.2. Install it.3. Go to %appdata%\nvda\addons and modify it.4. Restart NVDA.Your new (and possibly now malicious) add-on will run. So, all an attacker has to do is secretly modify a legitimate add-on on your system and wait for you to either restart NVDA or your system.Of course, under standard user accounts the add-on will be blocked from making low-level changes to the system, but this can be bypassed by running the add-on in secure screens (which can be done.)The newer versions of NVDA implement what's called the "scratchpad" directory for add-on testing. I don't use it while developing add-ons because frankly there's no need to. Just install your test add-on and update as necessary until it's working.One can argue that JAWS scripts suffer from this vulnerability as well because of scripts. Keep in mind though that you can't do half the stuff with scripts you can with a full range of Python. In JAWS scripts, you can't make an API call, you have limited access to file IO, etc.Even with API calls, since JAWS doesn't natively support it, you can still do it using a COM dll. But these need to be registered which requires admin access so standard users are protected.NVDA is working on a secure version which will disable use of add-ons so hopefully it will gain more corporate adoption. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520033/#p520033 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific exolent news! no more having to fork thousands of funkatron buckazoids for 2 months! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/520022/#p520022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hi. It will be interesting to see how those agencies survive during this pandemic and what comes ahead for us during the social distancing measures for screenreader developments. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519909/#p519909 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific One of the major reasons most governments and workplaces don't use NVDA is due to the fact NVDA is an open source screenreader. this is a majority security vulnerability that can cause some mayhem if something with some form of adapatability and add-on capabilities was given a pass by workplace/government filters and firewalls. generally, comercial non-open source products are utilized in these workplaces, and Jaws is the best for screenreaders in this category. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519908/#p519908 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific It's hard to claim a full monopoly now, but FS has been one because its marketing was good and, for a long time, it was definitely top of the pile where it came to overall accessibility in a screenreader. There's no getting past the fact that Jaws did a lot of good during its heyday. Yes, it got more and more bloated, and yes, it had its fair share of issues, but it was one of the first and most robust Windows screenreaders, and if it came at a high price point it was probably because the amount of coding that took, and the amount of marketing, production, vs. how many end users would purchase it, necessitated a higher price. Now, I still think there was gouging going on, but perhaps back in the day it could have been better understood.The main issue is that those practices were iffy to begin with and are now simply not sustainable, morally speaking. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519904/#p519904 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Ok. There are things I don't get, far as I know, monopolies are, by all means and purposes, illegal. Since fs, I'm not sure if what they do still counts as a monopolly given there are alternative screen-readers out there now; but when it first started and for a long time, it was jaws or nothing, kind of. That, and... why do a lot of workplaces, government, etc, I mean, pritty much everything none personal, use jaws or nothing? I know its not everyone, but the percentage that still do so even when there is a free option... I get it, office could be one reason, but could there be other reasons? My college uses NVDA. They asked me about jaws, and I told them no, don't waste your money, NVDA is fine. And speaking of Monopoly, how is fs one? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519894/#p519894 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Ok. There are things I don't get, far as I know, monopolies are, by all means and purposes, illegal. Since fs, I'm not sure if what they do still counts as a monopolly given there are alternative screen-readers out there now; but when it first started and for a long time, it was jaws or nothing, kind of. That, and... why do a lot of workplaces, government, etc, I mean, pritty much everything none personal, use jaws or nothing? I know its not everyone, but the percentage that still do so even when there is a free option... I get it, office could be one option, but could there be other reasons? My college uses NVDA. They asked me about jaws, and I told them no, don't waste your money, NVDA is fine. And speaking of Monopoly, how is fs one? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519894/#p519894 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Ok. There are things I don't get, far as I know, monopolies are, by all means and purposes, illegal. Since fs, I'm not sure if what they do still counts as a monopolly given there are alternative screen-readers out there now; but when it first started and for a long time, it was jaws or nothing, kind of. That, and... why do a lot of workplaces, government, etc, I mean, pritty much everything none personal, use jaws or nothing? I know its not everyone, but the percentage that still do so even when there is a free option... I get it, office could be one option, but could there be other reasons? My college uses nvdaNVDA. They asked me about jaws, and I told them no, don't waste your money, NVDA is fine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519894/#p519894 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Agreed with some of the posters here. My department of rehabilitation counselor provided me with a license of that screen reader. However I just installed nvd a. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519842/#p519842 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @diego that's what I was going to say, however I've almost forgot it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519772/#p519772 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific here, in Brazil, it's possible to get a free copy for 3 months of jaws.My friends did it this and works.I think I think that you need to contact your local dealer to tri to obtain the licence. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519771/#p519771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific I agree with Jayde. I am also a JAWS user, but I use NVDA on a daily basis. I jump between the two as I am working. Each one works better than the other in different applications. I still prefer JAWS because I like the braille input feature. NVDA's braille input is not quite as smooth.Regarding the price thing, I completely understand the fustration that those of you outside of The United States and Canada feel. I think Freedom Scientific has some hoops to jump through to offer the free options. I live in the United States, so I was able to pay the $90 for JAWS, but if I had to pay the full price, I would just use NVDA. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519765/#p519765 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific A few things:1. Jaws has a free demo, which means you can learn on it for free. The "you can't get used to Jaws without paying" argument is thus busted. The demo mode is annoying as almighty hell, but it's there, and it works. As someone who used it in demo mode for several years straight, I can attest to this. Annoying? Yes. Usable? Also yes.2. Neither Jaws nor NVDA is a better screenreader on its own, in all categories. NVDA is more lightweight and can sometimes interact with certain types of content that Jaws struggles with, and there are add-ons for damn near everything. Jaws, by contrast, is big, bulky, and has an answer for all kinds of stuff, and is very highly customizable if you know what you're doing. Neither program is perfect, and both have made huge innovations over the years. I hope to keep seeing good things from the programs themselves.3. I am more a Jaws user than an NVDA user, but I, too, hate the high price that Jaws is set at. It doesn't really make a lot of sense. Okay sure, you think you have a monopoly, but why do you have to squeeze every red cent out of your product? To be fair, I feel even more strongly about braille displays, which in and of themselves can cost several times as much as a decent laptop. Notetakers, as well, which suffer the same problem; weaker performance and a few enhancement tweaks for triple the price? Nah, think I'll pass.4. A lot of you are pissed off about why this free license thing is only available in Canada and America. I'm with ya. It's upsetting. But I think it's more than just a decision to screw the other guy. I feel as if there have got to be agreements and restrictions involved. Trade is not nearly as free as it seems.5. Whatever you might feel about the ethics of the business practices around Jaws, it is still illegal to crack, so please don't encourage folks to do it, and please don't brag about it here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519739/#p519739 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @darkIf someone has used NVDA, they could use JAWS. Again, a few things are different, but your navigation commands are pretty much the same throughout both programs URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519731/#p519731 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @Skybear, the issue for me isn't whether some people prefer Jaws, or have got used to jaws because it's what they grew up with, or even whether there are some things that Jaws does which NVDA does not or Visa versa, the issue is whether Jaws justifies it's pricing structure, whether in fact it is a thousand dollars better than the free alternative, and that just not seem to be the case. If Jaws was fairly priced, IE fifty or even a hundred dollars, and I mean actual price, I don't mean bought through some government agency, or priced down for the goodness of their hearts to people in a certain country, or given away with coupons or whatever, if! jaws was a fair price, I, and likely many other people would be happy to try it and assess it, but with the greed and blatant favouritism of this company, I'm afraid that's just not happening, which is why I personally damn well hope all those government agencies and businesses who have been falsely convinced that Jaws is the only way of accessing windows will wise up, and thus force freedom scientific to stop their stupid, price gouging monopoly.I'm also afraid the "well it's what people are used to" arguement doesn't hold as much water with me, because I did! indeed change from a commercial screen reader I'd used for 20 years in 2017 to using NVDA full time, after supernova proved inadequate on Windows 10, and I didn't even have the advantage of Supernova's keyboard commands being similar to NVDA's. People do have their preferences, however had I gone with the “it’s what I am used to argument” I’d have gone on paying for a less than satisfactory commercial screen reader, rather than use a far better free one, although for the record I have donated to NVDA the money I’d have otherwise used for Supernova upgrades, since it seems only fair.I’ll also note that to “get used to Jaws”, you have to have Jaws in the first place, which means someone has to pay a stupid amount of money, at least if your not lucky enough to be in the country this company have a blatant bias to, h, is me thinking racing is happening here? . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519712/#p519712 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific For the thing about being tought NVDA, that's not true. Yes, JAWS and NVDA have a few small differences, but for the most part, if you know how to use one, you know how to use the other. A majority of the commands you have are exactly the same URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519689/#p519689 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific @46, well said. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519660/#p519660 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific agreed with @hadi.gsf. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519659/#p519659 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific 1. NVDA is not a cheaper option, IT is technically a free option.2. NVDA is a tool, just like jaws. You can't switch from jaws to NVDA without training, either self training or training through instructors and teachers as kids.If you're a trainer or instructor, you must know this by now. If you install a screen reader that's different from another screen reader, You can't just take a student's hand, put it on the keyboard and say, there you go, how does this feel. Proper demonstration and then practice is needed for a client to feel comfortable with the screen reader and then begin developing habits for it.3. NVDA not properly shutting down seems like an operating system issue. I've installed NVDA on over 200 different computers in 2019 and i did not detect such issue.4. No matter what, JAWS and NVDA have their own capabilities and advantages. It's too bad that you have developed hate for freedom scientific, but At least their software lets you to label controls that are unlabeled for more than 10 years while NVDA developers refuse to add this feature, Because apparently every software in the world has to follow accessibility guidelines and if a button is unlabeled we're supposed to contact a multi billion company and hope that they've received our message.5. I also hate freedom scientific too, mostly their business owners and executives who are making the big decisions and running their monopoly URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519655/#p519655 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific I completely agree with Nocturnus. I'm sure there was a time when Henter-Joyce and JAWS were really innovative and important, but the business practices and lack of innovation from the company I have observed over the past few years leave a very sour taste in my mouth. NVDA is very capable and if Microsoft continues their efforts with Narrator, every Windows computer in the world will come with a high quality screen reader. There is absolutely no reason not to use NVDA and/or Narrator in the workplace. Please don't come back wit the open source argument. Tell that to all the companies that use Linux.As I've said time and time again, the only environment I can consider using JAWS in is if you need an application scripted. Then again, this is a band-aid solution. The developer should really work to make the program fully accessible. It will be interesting to see where Vispero is in 10 years.Regarding the question about people accepting Vispero's monopolistic practices, I don't know. The only thing that comes to mind is that this is the only option people are aware of. They don't consider that other solutions exist so go along with it because it's the *only* solution, therefore we must deal with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519636/#p519636 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific I completely agree with Nocturnus. I'm sure there was a time when Henter-Joyce and JAWS were really innovative and important, but the business practices and lack of innovation from the company I have observed over the past few years leave a very sour taste in my mouth. NVDA is very capable and if Microsoft continues their efforts with Narrator, every Windows computer in the world will come with a high quality screen reader. There is absolutely no reason not to use NVDA and/or Narrator in the workplace. Please don't come back wit the open source argument. Tell that to all the companies that use Linux.As I've said time and time again, the only environment I can consider using JAWS in is if you need an application scripted. Then again, this is a band-aid solution. The developer should really work to make the program fully accessible. It will be interesting to see where Vispero is in 10 years. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519636/#p519636 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific I completely agree with Nocturnus. I'm sure there was a time when Henter-Joyce and JAWS were really innovative and important, but the business practices and lack of innovation from the company I have observed over the past few years leave a very sour taste in my mouth. NVDA is very capable and if Microsoft continues their efforts with Narrator, every Windows computer in the world will come with a high quality screen reader. There is absolutely no reason not to use NVDA and/or Narrator in the workplace.As I've said time and time again, the only environment I can consider using JAWS in is if you need an application scripted. Then again, this is a band-aid solution. The developer should really work to make the program fully accessible. It will be interesting to see where Vispero is in 10 years. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519636/#p519636 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hello.@41,you could Tell your friends to do the following:1. Read the NVDA documentation, or2. Read the NVDA keyboard commands.Both of them are located in start menu>all programs>NVDAAlso, NVDA documentation is very good compared to jaws, because you don't have to press F6 every now and then URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519568/#p519568 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hello.@41,you could Tell your friends to do the following:1. Read the NVDA documentation, or2. Read the NVDA keyboard commands.Both of them are located in start menu>all programs>NVDAAlso, NVDA documentation is very good compared to jaws, because you don't have to press F6 every now and then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519568/#p519568 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hello.@41,you could Tell your friends to do the following:1. Read the NVDA documentation, or2. Read the NVDA keyboard commands.Both of them are located in start menu>all programs>NVDA URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519568/#p519568 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific I'm sorry, @41, but the idea that jaws just works and NVDA doesn't is as outdated as the practices FS/whatever they call themselves today employ are dirty and underhanded. NVDA may not work for every situation; I'll grant that from the get-go, but if you muss use JAWS your employer/workplace/company/school or other institution should be buying it for you given its price tag. Outside of that, I don't know of a single situation where NVDA just, doesn't work, and those who perpetuate the concept that JAWS just works and NVDA doesn't are the same people who allow corporations like this one to get away with the price gouging.I find it interesting too that people will whine and complain and throw a fit about how companies like Apple charge far too much for their devices which, already come with a working and highly functional screen reader but allow companies like FS to manipulate and monopolize the market where windows is concerned. Perhaps someone will shed some reasoning as to why this is perfectly acceptable and why paying for a device that just works out of the box is not? Why, instead of paying hundreds if not thousands of dollars on a yearly basis are we not advocating together for equal accessibility and pushing MS to further develop Narrator which has seen improvements over the years, or giving more attention to NVDA collectively so that it does work for users the way they would like it to? I mean, if its true that it doesn't work, the real question is, why is it not working? That, is the question the JFW just works camp is not really answering, and saying "well, we're just used to it" is really only going to hold out for so long and does not encourage any kind of progress.For the record? I'm not saying that jaws is bad. JAWS, in its own way still holds a candel to NVDA, and NVDA users should respect and appreciate that. without the innovation that JFW made throughout the years NVDA could not be what it is today. It is, however, my belief that the users should be making the product, not the product shaping the users, and sadly, this is what I've seen for far too long where JFW users are concerned, who have allowed themselves to sit in a complacent bubble and let a monumental leader in assistive tech simply rip them off while ignoring the possibility that other options can, and do, exist! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519544/#p519544 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Personally, if FS gave the option of the cheaper home licence outside the US and Canada, which I was surprised to find out hasn't happened yet as it's been a good couple years now I think, I'd actually consider looking into it again. For personal choice, if nothing else. Also there are admittedly some areas which NVDA is somewhat sluggish on, namely office, where there are improvements, but it's still not up to where jaws was when I used it a few years back. An earlier post did remind me of the horrific combination of a jaws licence and university networks though, which is why I switched to NVDA full time and haven't looked back. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519536/#p519536 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hello guys. This is Sky Mundell, a new member from British Columbia Canada talking to you guys. I wanted to give my opinions on this, as I am a trainer who trains blind clients in the use of adaptive technology and screen reading incorperating NVDA, and JAWS. First, I wanted to start out by saying that NVDA is a fantatsic product and I use NVDA as my personal product. However, I have some things that I want to say about this. While I love and use NVDA and teach clients NVDA whenever I can, I am going to let you guys know that I have blind friends of mine who use JAWS, and they actually have tried NVDA, and some of them, if not all of them, always go back to JAWS even after giving NVDA a try. For instants, I have a friend who lives in California, and she has defenatly heard of NVDA, and her friends has heard of NVDA but the only screen reader they know about with JAWS. her friends and her know nothing about NVDA. I also have had another friend in Vancouver who attempted to use NVDA and she ended up going back to JAWS because it was what she was used to. NVDA for her, didn't seem to be reactive. For instants, it wouldn't work for her when she pressed the down arrow key, and she couldn't quit NVDA so she had to shut down the computer. In her mind, NVDA didn't seem to be that reactive to her and she was just so used to JAWS that she couldn't get to grips with NVDA. Even a lot of the professionals here have never heard of NVDA or think its inferior because in there mind, Why change to a cheaper option when JAWS works for us? So as you can see, the issue for those friends of mine isn't so much the cost, but rather what works for them. I still will continue to have huge moral problems with the licencing model and high price points of JAWS though but I do think that some of the advanced features, Text Amalyser, etc. could be put into NVDA, unless Vispero has patents on Text Amalyser and those advanced features that JAWS has that make it impossible for NVDA to have it. So, those are my thoughts. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519526/#p519526 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Yeah, I would like to know that, too, especially if they plan to pull the rug out from anyone who get this license’s feet, so to speak, once the free period ends. This is just plain twisted and stupid. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519503/#p519503 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
2020-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : Juliantheaudiogamer via Audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hi,Although I already have a JAWS license (don't start yelling at me, I was raised on it, okay), but this is just a shitty move by Freedom Scientific. I would really like to know why they are doing this USA and Canada only Thing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519474/#p519474 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific #freedomsciencetrumption #makewindowsgreatagain #instagood #beautiful #a11y URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519467/#p519467 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Well, NVDA does mostly the same thing, with more focus on standards, and less workarounds for awful web practices than JAWS because developers should fix their junk instead of snoring awake a tad, mumbling about screen readers good they fix accessibility jus use JAWS, then continuing to drool on their keyboards and hoping they can use Computium investiture to cast that into code.But, I was trying to make PDF's more accessible by converting them to Word format through Adobe Pro Reader Acrobat Pro Plus Max or whatever, opening them in Word, and working with them there. Only problem is, NVDA didn't see any of the images in the document that I know were there. You could say that NVDA was just as blind as I am. So, I resolutely installed JAWS, and there they were, along with a noticeable lack of a lag in arrowing through the document.So yeah, that's how my computer acquired jaws. I hope it doesn't eat me now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519428/#p519428 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Jayde wrote:Moderation:Post 14, I'm issuing a caution here. It's not a punishment, but just a note that you need to not do what you did.Yes, people can crack Jaws. But encouraging people to contact you to figure out how to do it is something we don't really tolerate here. You didn't actually do it, to my knowledge, which is why this is just a caution to get you to stop before you make a worse mistake. We obviously can't stop you if you want to do things for yourself, but please don't try to get others to crack programs or share material illegally. Thanks.Sorry. It wountt happen again URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519409/#p519409 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific I hate JAWS to the point where on my school computer, even though they provide it, I turn it off and use a portable NVDA. NVDA does the exact same thing, and I never have to worry about a license or in the case of my school, I never have to worry about the network license not working whenever the wi-fi is down URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519405/#p519405 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific I've had to use this for my job, where I work from home now. I mean, it works, and it's JAWS. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519396/#p519396 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific The link should now show the correct article, instead of the %20 not found.As for my thoughts on Jaws, sorry to say but NVDA does better, not just because it's free but because Jaws is, seemingly, mega expensive. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519395/#p519395 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Ok.So, I will not be using JAWS, because I can't stand the thing. I just told everyone that it was there.And with the whole cracking thing, JAWS is the only software that I will publically encourage people to crack. Freedom Scientific does not need money. Not state, not people's personal money, nothing. That company is very corrupt, and they don't deserve our support URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519388/#p519388 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific So let me get this straight. The home annual license is only available to people in the United States, and this 90-day license is only available for people in the United States or Canada? What? Just use NVDA, the free and much more ethical screen reader. If you want to pay for a screen reader, send your dollars to NV Access. There's a big difference between being forced to pay for the privilege to have access to Windows, as opposed to donating to help continue a very capable and free solution. I'm going to go donate to them right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519384/#p519384 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific So let me get this straight. The home annual license is only available to people in the United States, and this 90-day license is only available for people in the United States or Canada? What? Just use NVDA, the free and much more ethical screen reader. If you want to pay for a screen reader, send your dollars to NV Access. There's a big diffeence between being forced to pay for the privilege to read your screen, as opposed donating to help continue a very capable free solution. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519384/#p519384 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific So let me get this straight. The home annual license is only available to people in the United States, and this 90-day license is only available for people in the United States or Canada? What? Just use NVDA, the free and much more ethical screen reader. If you want to pay for a screen reader, send your dollars to NV Access. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519384/#p519384 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific So let me get this straight. The home annual license is only available to people in the United States, and this 90-day license is only available for people in the United States or Canada? What? Just use NVDA, the free and much more ethical screen reader. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519384/#p519384 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific It's not an American first policy if they include Canada. The rivalry between Canada and the United States is the biggest rivalry in all of history through out all dimensions and all possible worlds and parallel universes. The values of an American and the values of a Canadian cannot be a better contrast. The fact that freedom scientific dared to ignore this rivalry and straight up tried to unite these two warring factions is a clear sign that they are massive traders to the American populous and that they are the worst allies of the Canadians, and there for, Americans and Canadians should all join forces to hate on this massive destroyer of traditions and customs, and they need to fight with all strength they have to keep the battle between themselves fresh and ongoing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519361/#p519361 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific Moderation:Post 14, I'm issuing a caution here. It's not a punishment, but just a note that you need to not do what you did.Yes, people can crack Jaws. But encouraging people to contact you to figure out how to do it is something we don't really tolerate here. You didn't actually do it, to my knowledge, which is why this is just a caution to get you to stop before you make a worse mistake. We obviously can't stop you if you want to do things for yourself, but please don't try to get others to crack programs or share material illegally. Thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519358/#p519358 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
2020-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : claudiogaranzini via Audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific For me, till other screen readers will come out and do what NVDA does nowadays... NVDA for ever and hating Jaws and FS for theyr policies. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519337/#p519337 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific RNIB shop wrote:JAWS HOME current editionProduct code: HT312£838.80.And this straight from the really not interested in the blind association here, in good old Britanicus, so yes, as Simba Said,Freedom scientific do seem to be good little monkeys following the lead of the Orange orangutan. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519328/#p519328 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific and this is why people will always crack jaws. companies like FS is what motivates these people. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519326/#p519326 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Found a not quite, really a local distributor over here, an organization in Vietnam, which is next to my country. But I'm lazy to contact them. I have NVDA, and I'm happy with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519320/#p519320 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Found a not quite, really a local distributor over here, an organization in Vietnam, which is next to my country. But I'm lazy to contact them. I NVDA, and I'm happy with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519320/#p519320 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific I'm personally against any company who pulls this type of crap, weather american, European, guatemalan, Mexican... You get the point. If any company, from any country; where to pull this crap... that's, i'm not trusting it. I don't hate fs, but what they are doing, helping on the one hand and stabbing people in the back in the other; is not right. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519315/#p519315 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Just to clere som things.I am aganst cracking softwere, but if you dont have any option it can be somthing for you. I am personally using NVDA. Sence its free, and in my opinion better. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519310/#p519310 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific That's why I hate american companies who say something fantastic but... no no no no no, MR. Trump, you've already damaged it. I don't know bout SuperNova or Zengdu or Sunshine, but well... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519307/#p519307 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific the 90 day license... uh... just, no. doing superb with nvda over here... that, and the methods freedom fcientific has... don't trust them. O, our aim is to help blind people... aha, take a look at there marketing, not from US or Canada? Your screwed. Funny how they contradict themselves... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519306/#p519306 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific How does the license system work? Do you just need to download their products from the internet, install it, and go from there? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519303/#p519303 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Yeah, In Turkey, freedom scientific's distributor is brialle teknik, they do a free license of jaws for 3 months, and then it's boom, demo mode!!! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519298/#p519298 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific well, someone adopted america first as it seams, commander in tweet likes this.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519296/#p519296 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Clarification: If I understand correctly, if you do this, you don't get JAWS free and clear forever, but a timed license that expires at the end of June. This means, you can download JAWS and use it for free until the end of June, then I assume on July 1, Boom, it's demo mode for ya, buddy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519290/#p519290 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific @14 Or ... you could just use NVDA and be legal.Not recommending but giving instructions per pm is like recommending. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519289/#p519289 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
2020-04-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific @14 here talking about cracks and pairoted software is not allowed, also sharing too URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519288/#p519288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hi.You can crack jaws. I dont recomend it, but the option is there. If you want to lear about that you can PM me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519278/#p519278 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hello,turkey has the same thing. You might have to check your local distributer for news. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519256/#p519256 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
2020-04-13
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : giorgi elbaqidze via Audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific just, meh!only canada and usa is world, another part sucks ya? ok ok, thanks to nvda. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519253/#p519253 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific I love how they especially say how this is suppose to be about le covid but then they just make it for North America, even though Italy and Europe in general are the ones worst hit by this virus. This is obviously just a marketing strategy so that people would think that they were generous or something. Also what is their definition of "Effected by covid"? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519252/#p519252 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hi.As a proud member of freedom horrific, I am pleased to announce that during this horrible pandemic, where lots of people from lots of countries are dropping like flies, we are giving you the chance to try out our program before you snuff it yourself!Oh, did I mention that users on a normal basis have to pay £1000 to buy our program? and that the offer is strictly for Americans and Canadians only?We apologize to all the other countries wanting to try our fabulous superior program, but then again, ,you have NVDA which is free anyway We hope all Americans and Canadians have a fabulous experience with our program! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519250/#p519250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific So let me get this straight. In America, the place where a Jaws license these days finally! does! Only cost about a hundred dollars, Freedom scientific are giving away licenses for free (, but in the rest of the world, where it still costs over a thousand, people still have to pay? Wow! What generosity! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519246/#p519246 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: News from Freedom Scientific wow, cool! but i'm using nvda, maybe i'll get jawse and try it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519245/#p519245 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific same. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519243/#p519243 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Really hate that products are free only in north america. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519238/#p519238 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Nice, another US and Canada only thing. The rest of the world sucks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519208/#p519208 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific ya, I read it from the freedom scientific news by re sirching. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519203/#p519203 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific ya, I read it from the freedom scientific news by resirching. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519203/#p519203 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: News from Freedom Scientific
Re: News from Freedom Scientific Hi.If I remember correctly, you either have to be in the US for Canada for the chance to get JAWS for free. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/519202/#p519202 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
