[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread Patrick Dixon
Sean - yes I can hear it. Please have a look at the numerical examples I produced on the other thread and in the bug report - the rounding is affecting the 16th bit and therefore it's 'effectively' at 90/96dB. The best analogy I can think of, is that you only get 96dB s/n with a 16-bit ADC, if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread Pat Farrell
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 10:01 -0800, Patrick Dixon wrote: Please have a look at the numerical examples I produced on the other thread and in the bug report - the rounding is affecting the 16th bit and therefore it's 'effectively' at 90/96dB. Anytime you play with PCM numbers, you really have to

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread sbjaerum
seanadams Wrote: Aside from the volume levels being different, I can't hear any difference between the old firmware and the new firmware. We are going to put the patch in to use 8-bit coefficients BUT we are concerned that if there is really an audible difference that it may be some other

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread Patrick Dixon
With all the fancy test gear you have there, can you measure the SNR with a digital test tone (before and after). I reckon you will find it's 6dB+ worse with the rounding. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread seanadams
Patrick Dixon Wrote: Sean - yes I can hear it. Please have a look at the numerical examples I produced on the other thread and in the bug report - the rounding is affecting the 16th bit and therefore it's 'effectively' at 90/96dB. The best analogy I can think of, is that you only get

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread sleepysurf
When, exactly, will the patch be incorporated into the nightly? As I recall, manually inserting the patch is difficult on a WinXP machine, so I'm still waiting for the native fix. -- sleepysurf squeezebox2 (with elpac wm075-1950-760 linear psu) direct to amp using slimserver preamp vol

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread Pat Farrell
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 10:14 -0800, Patrick Dixon wrote: pfarrell Wrote: Anytime you play with PCM numbers, you really have to redither it. There are theological arguments about which dither algorithm is best, but which you use is not important, you have to use one, and any of them is

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread Patrick Dixon
Sorry Pat, I added this correction later! Whoops - I meant dither. I have jitter on the brain. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread LavaJoe
Quick question: does this issue affect the bass/treble control values as well? I assume mid-level on these will cause no modification of the PCM data, whereas non-middle settings will. Or is it done in the analog domain (and analog outputs only)? -- LavaJoe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread Pat Farrell
On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 11:55 -0800, Patrick Dixon wrote: Sorry Pat, I added this correction later! Whoops - I meant dither. I have jitter on the brain. I think there are treatments for that. The modern drugs are very effective. I am very skeptical about jitter. Folks have been talking about it

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DTS/5.1/Volume Control

2005-11-22 Thread kkitts
Hi All, I've just started using a SB3 - and almost everything is working great. However, I have some DTS/5.1/Wav files that play great when I put them on a CD (my Yamaha receiver autodetects DTS) - however, when I use SB3 to play them back I get static. SlimDevices support suggested turning the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread jhwilliams
seanadams Wrote: It would be good to get real confirmation through blind testing or measurements that: 1) there was really a problem introduced after FW 15 2) the problem is or is not fixed by this patch There are many people here with better ears than mine - if you can really hear it

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 12.28MHz clock in SB - what does it do?

2005-11-22 Thread boybees
At least one of the modders is removing this clock as part of his package, presumably to eliminate any jitter associated with it. My question: if you take this clock out, what kind of files, what bit rate, etc. are you then NOT able listen to on the SB? -- boybees

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: 12.28MHz clock in SB - what does it do?

2005-11-22 Thread seanadams
boybees Wrote: At least one of the modders is removing this clock as part of his package, presumably to eliminate any jitter associated with it. My question: if you take this clock out, what kind of files, what bit rate, etc. are you then NOT able listen to on the SB? Search this forum -

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Volume bug - can you really hear it?

2005-11-22 Thread seanadams
I also am skeptical about how my Benchmark DAC-1's marketing copy talks about it being completely totally and unanimously immune to jitter. Having dismantled a DAC-1 I can tell you it is a perfectly vanilla implementation of ASRC using a standard ADI chip, and it does perform as