mswlogo;199204 Wrote:
There is a strong bias by audiophiles that Coax (RCA) is better than
TosLink. I wouldn't avoid RCA 75ohm Coax just because there is a debate
over BNC vs RCA connectors. My understanding is that RCA connectors are
fine at the speeds and distances SPDIF runs.
Hmmm - bias
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Pale Blue Ego Wrote:
How would this work, exactly? It sounds like all devices, hardware and
software, now and in the future, would have to license the codec and
DRM scheme for this super wonderful format. One company would have
complete control over the whole recording, distribution, and
willyhoops;199224 Wrote:
Well how about one company making a a Secure Cryptoprocessor /
Decompression / DAC chip with tamper-resistant properties and only
analogue outputs.
You don't realise, do you, that such a chip would not be an audiophile
device. Complex microprocessors require
willyhoops;199224 Wrote:
Lots of idiotic rambling
Somehow I get the impression that you personally invested a lot of
money in the musicindustry, specifically the big four.
If you still don't get it:
DRM is not the way! EMI seems to be getting a clue, but I'm not sure
yet.
If you want me or
Hiya,
If anyone does have the above, would love to hear why you prefer which
dac.
Cheers :)
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I'm just about to get a new PC partly so I can run InguzDRC. Would a
1.8Ghz core2duo E4300 be sufficient (with 2GB RAM)?
thanks
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now i wrote and article on the subject and put lots of examples. is
there anyone out there who can explain to all these wallies why sky
digital encription has never been broken, why credit card comany sim
cards have never been broken, why mobile sim cards have not been
broken? have a look at
willyhoops;199246 Wrote:
if you all opposed to drm why don't you switch off your tv subscription.
and forget about video on demand - who is going to pay for that when a
Russian guy can subscribe once and put all films on the web. Hope these
tv examples appeal to the American crowd.. for the
I think that Russian guy has already put all the films on the web -
isn't it called bit torrent or something?
And the reason people pay for Sky TV, is for the live sports events (I
don't bother as it happens).
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I have a question about the often in this forum mentioned replacement of
the NJM2041 opamp for the OPA2604 in the SQB3
I have pulled the datasheet this morning and came to the (possible
wrong?) conclusion that both opamps have just a few things in common...
they are opamps and they have a
Being opposed to DRM doesn't mean that one is opposed to copyright
Not in your case but now think rationally:
DRM is a device that intellectual property holders use to protect
illegal use of their digital product. In a world where everyone is
perfectly honest it would not be needed. It's
Now I'm sure. You don't know what you're talking about or you are paid
by some musiccompany or the RIAA/MPAA...
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No i am just real right wing and quite smart and a bit bored and like
playing... Wanted to be a politician but everyone found me
obnoxious#8230; I have done enough now and will resist the temptation
to write more.
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Two things: I disagree with your assessment of just how many people
avoid doing bad things solely due to fear of punishment. Perhaps its
my naivety which makes me think most people apply a sense of ethics
before considering the law. (And if enough people find their ethics to
be in conflict with
parrydave;199240 Wrote:
I'm just about to get a new PC partly so I can run InguzDRC. Would a
1.8Ghz core2duo E4300 be sufficient (with 2GB RAM)?
thanks
I have the E6300, which is the 2mb cache version of the conroe core.
With inguz running I can still rip or burn discs, use photoshop,
smst;199261 Wrote:
Two things: I disagree with your assessment of just how many people
avoid doing bad things solely due to fear of punishment. Perhaps its
my naivety which makes me think most people apply a sense of ethics
before considering the law. (And if enough people find their
In my humble opinion, derived from owning/auditioning such items,
digital sources from £70 DVD players to £400 dedicated CD players sound
very similar.
That being said, there's something about the SB3 that is much better
than my old Arcam Alpha 7SE CD player. When the 7SE was auditioned
against
willyhoops;199260 Wrote:
I know the herd are all against DRM and I wanted to see if reasoned
argument could make any headway against clearly the clearly incorrect
tide. When I talk to people off the street who knows nothing about hard
drive music they can hardly comprehend of life without
willyhoops;199255 Wrote:
(emotion helps in debate with the public)
But it has no place in an honest technical debate where both parties
are genuinely interested in evaluating each other's position. If a bad
argument is dressed up in emotional appeals and it wins the day (leading
to new
my political compass is
Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.49
which is bang in the middle and a bit surprising.
i guess i am a mass of contradictions :-)
you argumnet about 90% will pay and 10% will cheat would be ok if it
was true. but the trouble is its not like
Had a sudden passion to own a Transporter (I did order one from
Progressive last July - never heard any more from them!) but it seems
no one has one, either in the UK or the US. Current predicted date is
22 May (black only) and they are being re-badged/re-packaged as
Logitech.
I guess I will
willyhoops;199283 Wrote:
on top of these points it's obvious that even though music listening is
going up music sales are going way down. so the 10% 90% argument is
failing the record industry right now.
So implies a cause and effect; do you think you have proved a logical
link? There are a
Skunk,
I grabbed a bargain system earlier today which will be used for various
things (e.g. Photoshop,video editing etc). It'll also run slimserver,
but not often at the same time. As Inguz DRC seems to be fairly
processor hungry, I just wanted to make sure that the E4300 was up to
the job.
willyhoops;199283 Wrote:
even if we know whats right, most of us can't actually resist if we
can get away with it.
This coincides with somthing you said earlier; that the only reason
people don't commit crimes is fear of punishment. That is manifestly
false, it goes against all mainstream
I am not up to date with the whole Logitech thing. Are they really
rebadging it as a Logitech Transporter.
Oh boy, that's a really bad marketing move with Audiophiles
unfortunately.
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To stop music copying, you either need to convince most people that it's
clearly morally wrong (which will be hard, because [i think] it isn't),
or make the law enforceable
yes yes yes...
so since people can't be convinced it's wrong (or in my argument don't
care) that leaves only
You will have to wait a little while from an answer from me at least.
I have a Bryston B100 SST and just ordered the DAC option for it.
I will use the equipment in my signature, pluss a Stereovox XV2 digital
cable between the two.
Otherwise, this gives you an idea of the sound from this amplifier
parrydave;199297 Wrote:
Skunk,
I grabbed a bargain system earlier today which will be used for various
things (e.g. Photoshop,video editing etc). It'll also run slimserver,
but not often at the same time. As Inguz DRC seems to be fairly
processor hungry, I just wanted to make sure that
Playing music with wide dynamic range (Elgar's Enigma by Boult), my
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ averages below 10%, rarely peaking to 30%. I believe
1MB RAM is required for Vista; I have 2MB and normal usage is never less
than 36%.
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The unit is Selectable for 48 or 96 upsampling.. I upsample to 24/94
which my DAC will accept. The original poster had asked what's the best
way to reduce jitter.. I assume that the poster wanted to reduced jitter
to improve the sound.. hence the Monarchy DIP which in my system was a
noticable
ErikM;199309 Wrote:
The unit is Selectable for 48 or 96 upsampling.. I upsample to 24/94
which my DAC will accept. The original poster had asked what's the best
way to reduce jitter.. I assume that the poster wanted to reduced jitter
to improve the sound.. hence the Monarchy DIP which in my
willyhoops;199302 Wrote:
that's why i am desribing a drm that would be secure and which, i
think, consumers would love. then we can all be happy - artists,
consumers, business and the tax man.
Consumers are never going to love something that prevents them from
doing something they want to
A small comparison considering your political views...
In the USA somebody voting for the Democratic party will probably seen
as a lefty.
The same person in the Netherlands will be seen as a rightwing
person...
Your view of everybody is bad and will break the law and illegally
copy music just
Thanks for response everyone.
Helped put my mind at rest (I haven't understood CPU speeds since newer
versions started having slower clocks!).
I'm moving from a 5 year old 1.2Ghz Athlon that runs close to 100% when
I use InguzDRC. Just about keeps going, but the SB3 buffer stays at
zero for the
Consumers are never going to love something that prevents them from
doing something they want to do
That's why I want to add lots of extra value and make changing player a
non issue so the consumer can get more than he looses. so sorry but yes
he can love this if done just right.
It's very
willyhoops;199320 Wrote:
If people are real honest and think on it for a bit in a smart economist
like way rather than as a little man, then I think they will see that a
digital future without copy protection is a bleak future indeed.
Why do you embed so many straw man attacks in your
DRM may be intended to prevent illegal use of copyright material, but it
also prevents LEGAL use. DRM can't coexist with Fair Use. Since Fair
Use is legal, I guess DRM has to be illegal.
CD sales went UP when Napster was at its peak. Napster exposed people
to music that they would never have
As many of you have pointed out, enforcing things through the fear of
punishment rarely works in the long run. Humankind has been trying this
since the dawn of civilization - and it always ends up creating a bigger
mess than what it sets out to solve. Take the example of religions. Time
and again
Nikhil;199337 Wrote:
I think there would be a lot less IP/copyright infringement if people
clearly understood that stealing music and movies is really no
different from stealing a car.
Wrong - theft deprives the owner of the product; copyright infringement
deprives the rights owner of the
Sorry if this was discussed already, I did search, but found no clear
answer...
After Lavry DA10 got busted, I started to consider other options for my
next DAC, and of course Transporter is on my list.
I know its own internal jitter is very low, but what I want to know,
specifically, is what
Nikhil;199337 Wrote:
I think there would be a lot less IP/copyright infringement if people
clearly understood that stealing music and movies is really no
different from stealing a car. Most of the people who engage in media
piracy simply haven't realized that what they are doing is wrong. If
mswlogo;199203 Wrote:
Resampling to 44.1khz to 48khz is a bad idea. If it supported 88.2Khz is
fine but unfortunately Slim Devices doesn't support 88.2Khz. Upsampling
to 96khz is useless on SqueezeBox 3 since it would down sample back
48Khz.
In fact people go to great lengths to get their
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62This is about what I expected. :)
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smst;199261 Wrote:
Two things: I disagree with your assessment of just how many people
avoid doing bad things solely due to fear of punishment.
Pale Blue Ego;199348 Wrote:
This argument is really misguided. I'll go ahead and once more explain
that if I steal a car, the owner no longer has it. If I make a copy of
a song without paying, the copyright owner still has it, the person who
I got the copy from still has it, etc.
Thats an
jhm731;199349 Wrote:
Many TacT RCS/SB3 users report improvements using Adobe Audition to
upsample files to 16/48.
Perceived improvement isn't necessarily a real one.
However, there was a thread recently, with comparison of SRC software,
and there were just 2 or 3 products that did conversion
Nikhil;199353 Wrote:
Thats an extremely simplistic and incorrect way of thinking about it. If
I spend 10 years of my life developing a therapeutic molecule or drug,
only to have someone reverse engineer it, manufacture it, and make
money off it, while I received nothing (even if the original
Nikhil;199353 Wrote:
Thats an extremely simplistic and incorrect way of thinking about it. If
I spend 10 years of my life developing a therapeutic molecule or drug,
only to have someone reverse engineer it, manufacture it, and make
money off it, while I received nothing (even if the original
325xi;199355 Wrote:
...So, even though upsampling from 44.1 to 48 doesn't make much sense,
Adobe might do it well enough so the inevitable damage would not be
audible.
The TacT RCS uses an AD1896 ASRC to convert all digital input to 96kHz
for internal processing. It does an audibly worse job
Indeed, and the current forever term for copyright is asinine. It
means that there really is no such thing as folk music any more.
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willyhoops;199320 Wrote:
Yes absolutely thats the most interesting bit of the argument. I am
convinced it's the case and you have all my arguments. If people are
real honest and think on it for a bit in a smart economist like way
rather than as a little man, then I think they will see that
All creative works are built upon earlier creative works. Nothing is
created in a vacuum.
Suppose a pianist, every time he played the piano, had to pay a royalty
to the person who invented the black keys, or the minor chord, or the
system of music notation.
Suppose every author had to pay
And there are many business models that could work to compensate
creators while allowing their creations to be legally copied. Some
artists are doing this now (Jane Siberry is one). She will give you
copies of her music and allow you to decide how much compensation is
fair (if any), after you
Pale Blue Ego;199372 Wrote:
Another method is to get paid BEFORE releasing a work. A sort of
patronage where somebody pays for the creation, and everyone benefits.
This might work for established artists like U2.
Marillion took this path after going independent. I believe they've
done it
willyhoops wrote:
Well what you actually mean is that the key at both ends is in
possesion of the enemy. So the message must get encoded by the enemy
server and get decoded in the tamper proof enemy hardware and come out
analogue from there. it's not really that hard - just need this
harware.
willyhoops;199320 Wrote:
That's why I want to add lots of extra value and make changing player a
non issue so the consumer can get more than he looses. so sorry but yes
he can love this if done just right.
rubbish It will never work. I don't want to be bound to a format
that some idiot
parrydave;199297 Wrote:
Skunk,
I grabbed a bargain system earlier today which will be used for various
things (e.g. Photoshop,video editing etc).
Mine will run Inguz on just one of the cores, E.g. here inguz is linked
to core 0 and not allowed to run on core 1 (on the right). In the
What's at issue is how to maximze the benefit to the public good. If
there were no copyright there would be less incentive to create art and
invent things, but if there is too much (like an eternal term, or life
of the author + 70 years) it doesn't create [much] more of an incentive
[to
Willy,
Your argument is flawed, because it is based on the presumption that
protecting the 'business' of the big labels is a desirable outcome.
Explain to us how 'perfect' DRM helps small independent labels and
artists (who are already learning how to support themselves in the
digital universe
325xi;199355 Wrote:
Perceived improvement isn't necessarily a real one.
I guess the same could be said for the reported improvements of the
Transporter over the SB3.
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willyhoops;199390 Wrote:
Personally I would happily strip copyright five years after the artists
death or 20 years after the production.
Well that would mean that the Jimi Hendrix example wouldn't need DRM
then... :)
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Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well,
Q: How does 'perfect' DRM help small independent labels and artists?
If you had been reading the posts and stories you would know that's it
the smaller lables and artists that are getting killed currently. The
big names are dumping the little guys and concentrating only on mega
names that can
krochat;199365 Wrote:
The TacT RCS uses an AD1896 ASRC to convert all digital input to 96kHz
for internal processing. It does an audibly worse job of converting
44.1 kHz input to 96kHz than it does converting 48kHz input to 96kHz
(that is, non-integral conversions are worse than integral
willyhoops;199404 Wrote:
If you had been reading the posts and stories you would know that's it
the smaller lables and artists that are getting killed currently.
... Where on earth did you get that idea?
The independents for the most part are doing better than ever. They
have managed to use
One benefit, for the public, of limited copyright periods would be that
modern works offered for sale would have to compete with the free
material in the public domain.
A reasonable term, like the 20 years suggested above, would have modern
recordings going up against music from the 50s, 60s,
You seem to be operating in a strange space where there is actually some
connection between upholding copyright and DRM. This is nonsense - only
digitised music and films (and computer games) use DRM. The other
99.9% of copyrighted things don't.
Therefore, clearly copyright can be - and
snarlydwarf;199413 Wrote:
... Where on earth did you get that idea?
The independents for the most part are doing better than ever. They
have managed to use the Internet to build listeners, giving them
artists on Myspace and linking them all together so people can
explore and find more
willyhoops;199404 Wrote:
It's going to end up with a few big pop names and a few people posting
thier home recorded music on myspace.
This is largely a result of the current imbalance in the music
industry. Everything is tilted toward the big labels and mega-stars
and we all suffer. If
Phil Leigh;199407 Wrote:
This I have to try...so do you start with a 16/44.1 wav, upsample it to
48k with audition and re-flac it?
And would Cool Edit be as good? (isn't that where Audition came from?)
You don't even have to de/re flac - there's a FLAC plugin for
Audition/Cool Edit -
Interesting that I went from making several posts in this thread, to
reading a well-written essay on this very subject that was just posted
on Techdirt:
The Grand Unified Theory On The Economics Of Free
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070503/012939.shtml
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hey that quote looks familiar...
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All the hassle over wma files is gone - 24/96 FLACs:
http://www.linnrecords.com/catalogue.aspx?format=studio
Sorry if it gets expensive... ;)
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Phil Leigh;199407 Wrote:
This I have to try...so do you start with a 16/44.1 wav, upsample it to
48k with audition and re-flac it?
And would Cool Edit be as good? (isn't that where Audition came from?)
You can do it all in one shot with Dbpoweramp Flac to FLac and retain
tags and use the
adamslim;199434 Wrote:
All the hassle over wma files is gone - 24/96 FLACs:
http://www.linnrecords.com/catalogue.aspx?format=studio
Sorry if it gets expensive... ;)
They charge nearly double for 24bit encodings? What's the
justification - the cost of bandwidth? Because it certainly
Pale Blue Ego wrote:
willyhoops;199404 Wrote:
It's going to end up with a few big pop names and a few people posting
thier home recorded music on myspace.
This is largely a result of the current imbalance in the music
industry. Everything is tilted toward the big labels and mega-stars
Pale Blue Ego wrote:
If Britney Spears had to compete strictly on the
quality of her music, her stuff wouldn't sell 1000 copies.
[snip]
from noticing that it's a very ordinary voice singing a
completely empty lyric.
Wow, this is the first time I've ever heard anyone say that she is a
Pat Farrell;199457 Wrote:
Pale Blue Ego wrote:
If Britney Spears had to compete strictly on the
quality of her music, her stuff wouldn't sell 1000 copies.
[snip]
from noticing that it's a very ordinary voice singing a
completely empty lyric.
Wow, this is the first time I've ever
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