Robin Bowes;238725 Wrote:
servies wrote:
Robin Bowes;238680 Wrote:
I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds
like
the tired, old bits is bits argument.
It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on
this forum, and on countless other
servies;238861 Wrote:
Then I'll leave it up to you to find the differences between the
following bitstreams:
11001100110011001100110011001100110011001100110011
and
11001100110011001100110011001100110011001100110011
Mind you, I'm not telling that there can't be a difference between a
If you look more closely, the streams may look like:
and
00011000000011010111
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AndyC_772;238872 Wrote:
If you look more closely, the streams may look like:
and
00011000000011010111
So these bitstreams are different..., then there possibly will be a
difference
very cool looking. Are you liking the sound?
Any chance to A/B it with a stock one?
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Sorry, perhaps I wasn't too clear. My point is that the bit streams I've
posted could in fact represent exactly the same data as the ones you've
posted - just sampling the SPDIF input at more frequent intervals to
show that, with a poor quality driver, the bits aren't all exactly the
same width,
servies;238874 Wrote:
... when the bitstreams are the same, that there can be no difference in
sound.
I know that several other people have already tried to point out the
error here, but I'll have another go... This statement is
unfortunately false in the context of the digital output of a
Okay, then we're saying the same, but I've misunderstood you and I
couldn't make clear what I meant.
To be clear about what I'm saying, I'm talking about the
signal/bitstream that enters the cable directly after the CD/DVD
player. If that's the same there can be no difference. Ofcourse there
Marantz CD63:
[image: http://www.cawte.nildram.co.uk/Jitter/cd63.jpg]
SB3:
[image: http://www.cawte.nildram.co.uk/Jitter/sb3.jpg]
Both deliver the same pattern of ones and zeroes - but I doubt anyone
would suggest that the two signals were 'the same', nor that either
signal is 'perfect'.
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servies;238891 Wrote:
There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.
I find your signature line most ironic ;)
Adam
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adamslim
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have
others
'Last.fm group: people who don't
Why not sell the JBL's and buy a matching sub-woofer from BW??
The 'easy' way is to just bind both set of speakers to the single set
of speaker jacks and have a listen! Going separate Amps (splitting at
the pre-outs?) will lead you down a path of maddening trying to match
levels, gain, etc, etc.
alZmtbr wrote:
The 'easy' way is to just bind both set of speakers to the single set
of speaker jacks and have a listen!
If you have two sets of hard to drive speakers, this is a great way to
buy a new amp. Wiring two sets in parallel halves the impedence. If its
low to begin with, it gets cut
With all kidding aside, what has changed to make it appear the music is
flat and lifeless? What I am basically asking is what did you change
and now the music is flat? Is this a completely new setup? Did you just
change one piece? Did you go directly from CD to Transporter? What
speaker cables
tomjtx;238875 Wrote:
very cool looking. Are you liking the sound?
Any chance to A/B it with a stock one?
Thanks. I'm liking the sound so far, but part of that is buyers
remorse-prime (justifying your purchase immediately with heaps of
praise)...and part of it is the Transporter itself.
i have one of the pre-assembled power supplies from welborne labs (i
haven't yet learned to solder that's my next project!).
no their stuff isn't 'junk' they have consistently gotten great reviews
over the years. the problem seems to be their owner isn't really capable
of running his business
slimkid;238776 Wrote:
I'm afraid we have very serious case of upgradeitis here. Nurse, hand
me a check book, please.
K
I'm with slimkid on this one. Every time I've ever upgraded my audio
system it has always sounded breathtakingly wonderful - for a while.
But then you get used to it,
ceejay wrote:
I'm with slimkid on this one. Every time I've ever upgraded my audio
system it has always sounded breathtakingly wonderful - for a while.
But then you get used to it, and it starts to sound normal.
I bet when you listen to new gear, you turn it up.
Louder always sounds better.
servies wrote:
Robin Bowes;238725 Wrote:
servies wrote:
Robin Bowes;238680 Wrote:
I don't really understand what you're saying here, but it sounds
like
the tired, old bits is bits argument.
It's not as simple as that, as has been discussed many times here on
this forum, and on countless
slimkid;238776 Wrote:
I'm afraid we have very serious case of upgradeitis here. Nurse, hand
me a check book, please.
Yes, he's clearly in need of a walletectomy, unless there's just a
faulty component or cable connection in the system.
Speakers make such a huge difference that they're always
tyler_durden;238355 Wrote:
Getting a new fridge is almost as silly as getting a $5K power
regenerator from an audiophool shop. It sure isn't a way to save any
money (how can you save money by spending money?), and it isn't a
green idea either.
That's like saying you can't save money by
Hello,
Phil Leigh;238538 Wrote:
I'm not sure it's quite as simple as that - and if you turn the gain
down by 48dB it's going to be rather quiet...
Phil, I have been at my dealer today and can report that the tp exactly
falls completely silent below -48db. So if we stick to 6db=1bit it
apears
Robin Bowes;238996 Wrote:
Those are not bitstreams, they are strings of the digits '1' and '0'.
Yeah, but then tell me how I should represent a bitstream with pure
text...
Ok, I'm getting creative...:
signal A: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
signal B: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
Sorry but I've never
OK, so I found the problem with PS #1. I opened the box and discovered
the leads from the regulator and one of the leads from the transformer
were touching the center channel (support beam, of sorts) of the box!!
Taking the card out and putting friction tape across the entire bottom
of the
(also posted in another thread so all can read it)
_
OK, so I found the problem with PS #1. I opened the box and discovered
the leads from the regulator and one of the leads from the transformer
were touching the center channel (support beam, of sorts) of the
servies wrote:
Robin Bowes;238996 Wrote:
Those are not bitstreams, they are strings of the digits '1' and '0'.
Yeah, but then tell me how I should represent a bitstream with pure
text...
Ok, I'm getting creative...:
signal A: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
signal B: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
servies;239038 Wrote:
Yeah, but then tell me how I should represent a bitstream with pure
text...
Ok, I'm getting creative...:
signal A: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
signal B: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
Sorry but I've never been very good in ascii art...
So, where's the difference between
TiredLegs;239004 Wrote:
That's like saying you can't save money by insulating an old home.
Are you nuts?
The difference is that if you insulate an old home, you add reduce
heating and cooling costs by maybe $100-300 per month, depending on the
speifics, and nothing gets sent to the dump.
WOW. i bought a squeezebox. i was excited about it. i sent it out to be
modded because mostly i was curious. i could afford the mod and i
didn't spend a whole boatload of money on it. i like it. would it hold
up to an a/b comparison? no it probably wouldn't. does that mean i
should be miserable
oh yeah i also have a power conditioner. ;)
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ratso
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PROMITHEUS TVC PASSIVE PREAMP
GALLO REF. 3.1
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servies;239038 Wrote:
Yeah, but then tell me how I should represent a bitstream with pure
text...
Ok, I'm getting creative...:
signal A: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
signal B: __|--|_|--|__|--|_|-|_|--
Sorry but I've never been very good in ascii art...
So, where's the difference between
Hey Ratso, I think you are onto something. Everybody isn't it about the
music? Sure some people will have to learn the hard way that they may
have wasted money or been taken in by snake oil.
But isn't this all part of our hobby? Looking for what makes our
system sound better to us. I think that
Are you looking for opinion or fact? The Transporter is an upgrade over
the SB3. How good is the DAC that you have is IMO more to the point?
I have what I consider a good DAC, the Dodson DA-217 MKII-D, and it is
a very noticeable system improvement to go SB3 to Dodson to Pre-Amp
(VTL TL-6.5
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