Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Strange problem with 48kHz material

2012-11-20 Thread Stratmangler
Upgrading LMS to something more current might help. Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97305

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Strange problem with 48kHz material

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
+1 Try more current LMS and player fw ! ( if it/was a bug it could have been fixed ages ago and everyone have already forgot about it ) , I have no trouble running 48khz or 96khz or 44.1 or 88.2 What are the file formats involved ? If you haven't try flac , this is a good baseline and no weird

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: in fact all the reasoning you cited (cant find that post ) is clearly the usual spiel from someone who actually don't understand the sample theorem and is influnced by audiophile beliefs . Yes - the next thing he will be claiming is that you get a clearer and shinier sound by

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: Yes - the next thing he will be claiming is that you get a clearer and shinier sound by using USB cables with silver instead of copper wires. A lot of old-school audiophiles don't understand digital technology, but still apply their analog-age beliefs to digital. I still

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: And this used to be a nice hobby and past time, something really bad happened a couple of decades ago. You might be right. The National Science Foundation stated that pseudoscientific beliefs in the U.S. became more widespread during the 1990s, peaked near 2001, and declined

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread bhaagensen
Good times and we're all in agreement :) But. The one-liner scientific argument (Nyquist) doesn't carry through to the end (the analog outputs of Your DAC). While Nyquist is a very nice result, its theoretical and for practical purposes, non-constructive. So an implementation is forced to take

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2012-11-20 Thread jh901
ralphpnj wrote: will only invoke lots of nasty comments because the simple fact is that regardless of the DAC and the audio system used the sonic differences between that DAC and the Transporter's analog outputs will be, at best, subtle. Please leave all the hyperbole and the greatest

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
bhaagensen wrote: Good times and we're all in agreement :) But. The one-liner scientific argument (Nyquist) doesn't carry through to the end (the analog outputs of Your DAC). While Nyquist is a very nice result, its theoretical and for practical purposes, non-constructive. So an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread bhaagensen
Mnyb wrote: So given modern studios the CD's or downloads is a mathematical exercise so imo it is close to the theory Maybe, but you can't argue that by referring to (only) Nyquist - the main point of my first post. Mnyb wrote: And have a listen , in practice I do this now and then I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
bhaagensen wrote: Maybe, but you can't argue that by referring to (only) Nyquist - the main point of my first post. Definitive is a strong word, but how about maybe...? Usually, but not always, and by who's count - oh my head hurts :) That begs the question - suppose there

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: Well, funny enough, I downloaded a bunch of 24-bit hi-res downloads Bowers Wilkins Society of Sound site after a bunch of audiophiles described them in superlative terms and wrote about how much better they were than the normal 16-bit material. I guess you are not surprised

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Julf
bhaagensen wrote: Maybe, but you can't argue that by referring to (only) Nyquist - the main point of my first post. I think you can. Remember Nyquist (or, more formally, the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem) states that If a function x(t) contains no frequencies higher than B hertz, it is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread bhaagensen
:) enjoy your coffee mnyb! I am listening to some recently released stuff i havent bought yet on Spotify in shrug Mp3... bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: I think you can. Remember Nyquist (or, more formally, the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem) states that If a function x(t) contains no frequencies higher than B hertz, it is completely determined by giving its ordinates at a series of points spaced 1/(2B) seconds apart.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: Well, funny enough, I downloaded a bunch of 24-bit hi-res downloads Bowers Wilkins Society of Sound site after a bunch of audiophiles described them in superlative terms and wrote about how much better they were than the normal 16-bit material. I guess you are not surprised to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Julf
Mnyb wrote: in reality no clock does 1/(2B) perfectly so the actual nyqkvist frequency may fluctuate slightly so in practical implementation you leave a little slush margin. Sure - engineering is applying the science in real world situations. But that doesn't make the science invalid or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: Sure - engineering is applying the science in real world situations. But that doesn't make the science invalid or irrelevant in any way. The Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem still applies 100%. Yes i agree 100% and that extends to all laws of physics there is no special laws of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread bhaagensen
Mnyb wrote: quantum But I guess this is the point. There is some wiggly room in the interface where science meets the real world. And I know, in the sciences its usually controlled and abstracted using some kind of error-model, but such error models can't be denied of being extremely

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Julf
bhaagensen wrote: But I guess this is the point. There is some wiggly room in the interface where science meets the real world. And I know, in the sciences its usually controlled and abstracted using some kind of error-model, but such error models can't be denied of being extremely

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread bhaagensen
Neh :) Of course, a claim - wether positive or negative - presented without argument is not worth a penny. But this just resolves into what constitutes an argument. Here traditions vary depending on the science, and I'm sure some audiophile story-tellers are in fact able to present sequences

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24/192kHz capability for Transporter

2012-11-20 Thread Mnyb
bhaagensen wrote: But I guess this is the point. There is some wiggly room in the interface where science meets the real world. And I know, in the sciences its usually controlled and abstracted using some kind of error-model, but such error models can't be denied of being extremely

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2012-11-20 Thread ralphpnj
jh901 wrote: Well, had I not heard a night/day, then I'd have passed on the expenditure. Not many of us likely have $6 grand or more to burn. I can't describe my own experience in a way that will allow any given reader of this forum (or any other) to truly grasp exactly what I'm getting

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Majik any good?

2012-11-20 Thread Steve Agnew
I've been looking for a small integrated amp with a digital input to put in a bedroom system with a Squeezebox Touch and some Martin Logan Electromotion ESLs. I've found the Cyrus 8QX amp and Perreaux 80i (which is made locally here in NZ) and I have also been recommended the Linn Majik DSM at