Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread darrenyeats
For the MP3 versus CD test your ran, I did pick out the metal track as different (9/10 times no cherry picking using randomised playlists I correctly identified A versus B) although I couldn't actually say which one was CD i.e. couldn't say which was better! But it shows a difference is audible.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread SBGK
Archimago wrote: As typical for that site. For more details around that 44 vs. 88kHz paper, have a look at this thread: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=82264 Remember, only 3/16 listeners in that paper got significant results overall and all admitted to feeling

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Julf
SBGK wrote: with mp3 vs cd all that is required is to find a complicated bit of music and it will be evident that the psychoacoustics employed by mp3 cannot resolve the detail and it becomes slurred, no A/B testing required just listen to a 10s segment for slurred detail compared to the CD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread RonM
Julf wrote: Without doing it under controlled double-blind ABX conditions, you won't know if the lack of detail is due to your hearing or your belief system. Some people seem to trust their belief system more than their ears. I really don't understand. How is it that relatively informed

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread get.amped
Neil deGrasse Tyson recently said during an interview on The Colbert Report, “Once science has been established, once a scientific truth emerges from a consensus of experiments and observations, it is the way of the world. What I’m saying is, when different experiments give you the same result,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Julf
get.amped wrote: Neil deGrasse Tyson recently said during an interview on The Colbert Report, “Once science has been established, once a scientific truth emerges from a consensus of experiments and observations, it is the way of the world. What I’m saying is, when different experiments give

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Gandhi
Julf wrote: Without doing it under controlled double-blind ABX conditions, you won't know if the lack of detail is due to your hearing or your belief system. Some people seem to trust their belief system more than their ears. There is a simpler way. Using AudioDiffMaker often gives the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Archimago
darrenyeats wrote: For the MP3 versus CD test your ran, I did pick out the metal track as different (9/10 times no cherry picking using randomised playlists I correctly identified A versus B) although I couldn't actually say which one was CD i.e. couldn't say which was better! But it shows a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread TheLastMan
SBGK wrote: with mp3 vs cd all that is required is to find a complicated bit of music and it will be evident that the psychoacoustics employed by mp3 cannot resolve the detail and it becomes slurred, no A/B testing required just listen to a 10s segment for slurred detail compared to the CD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread foxx
Something I came across when I subscibed to WiMP: The difference between their 256 kB MP3 files and their lossless FLAC files is VERY evident. This is quite contrary to my my previous experiences, when I converted a 96/24 Flac file down to 44.1/16 FLAC, 320 kB MP3 and 128 kB MP3. Only with the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Mnyb
foxx wrote: Something I came across when I subscibed to WiMP: The difference between their 256 kB MP3 files and their lossless FLAC files is VERY evident. This is quite contrary to my my previous experiences, when I converted a 96/24 Flac file down to 44.1/16 FLAC, 320 kB MP3 and 128 kB

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Archimago
Mnyb wrote: Maybe similar with spotify premium , but not soo evident ,just a slight diff ( unconfirmed ) , but they use ogg not mp3. But I think they are cheaping out of CPU cycles and use less expensive options in these lossy formats , using the best psychoacoustic models use much more

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] INTERNET TEST: 24-bit vs. 16-bit Audio Blind Test...

2014-05-07 Thread Mnyb
Archimago wrote: Interesting comment about the MP3 decoding on the SB units. I assume the ARM-based Touch/Radio should have better decoding algorithm than the earlier SB3/Boom/Transporter IP3k-based devices? Indeed. Not all MP3 encoders were created equal so one can't say modern LAME is