arnyk wrote:
> Well they don't *all* sound the same, but the vast majority of them do.
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> All DAC chips don't sound the same, just the ones that are well-designed
> and are designed to be sonically transparent.
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> The idea DACs need special attention in the power supply or
drmatt wrote:
> This is it, is got to be too simplistic to say they all sound the same.
>
Well they don't *all* sound the same, but the vast majority of them do.
>
> I am inclined to think that all DAC chips *can* sound the same -
> assuming they have equal quality power supplies and are
Mnyb wrote:
> You have to test that sometime ?
>
> When I was a card carrying audiophile I was utterly convinced that I did
> hear differences everywhere .
>
Just what I suspectedyour Audiophile card has been revoked!!!
Well I still have my Audiophile card "Platinum" and I can hear a
drmatt wrote:
> I don't disagree. But I am sure I can tell the difference.. therefore
> what differences there are must exist in that top 13 bits or so of
> dynamic range.. cue the sirens..
>
> I doubt I could tell the difference with a frequency sweep though.
You have to test that sometime ?
Mnyb wrote:
> You dont need to rely on that look at the measurments , far better than
> the recordings most plays and far better than human hearing ( in the
> very best humans in a home settling maybe at 13 bits a good day )
I don't disagree. But I am sure I can tell the difference.. therefore
This is it, is got to be too simplistic to say they all sound the same.
I am inclined to think that all DAC chips *can* sound the same -
assuming they have equal quality power supplies and are driving a
particularly easy load, but that's not the real world.
(My pre amp is not passive btw.)
Sent
Mnyb wrote:
> Interesting about the native roon bridge ( roon does squeezebox and
> Squeezelite to ).
> I've intended to try roon it has it flaws and some features that LMS
> does not have.
> I seen no software close to replace LMS roon is a contender , but wonder
> if not LMS will outlive roon
There is also what it drives, so me DAC's may not very low impedance
output stages or it varies with frequncy.
Is it migrh not work splendidly with for example passive preamps .
Is not Touch a bit picky in that regard ? And signal levels can upset
things to . I migth have idealised some , due to
Well, truth is I haven't proved it to myself either way, but so far I'm
of the opinion that I can tell the diff between the DACs I've tried out.
One is certainly flawed, or "tuned" at least to sound a particular way.
The other two the differences were ultra subtle but I do believe they
are there.
cliveb wrote:
> OK, so you used:
> - two different (nominally identical) RPIs
> - two different (nominally identical) DACs
> - two different (nominally producing the same data output) software
> players
> And you hear a difference.
>
> Why do you conclude that the difference must be due to the
edwardthern wrote:
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> I used a Jesse Lite for both running on a RaspberryPi3.
>
> RPI #1 = Squeezelite with no other tweaks. Playing RedBook CD material
> on Flac. Power supply was a standard wallwart.
> RPI #2 = MPD with no other tweaks. Playing the exact same Flac files.
> Standard
drmatt wrote:
> I remain sceptical that a test designed solely to make it hard to tell
> the difference is representative of long term differentiation
> capability. But that's just my opinion and we are very aware that many
> people disagree with that.
You dont need to rely on that look at the
I remain sceptical that a test designed solely to make it hard to tell
the difference is representative of long term differentiation
capability. But that's just my opinion and we are very aware that many
people disagree with that.
Mnyb wrote:
> Ok thats put things into perspective , portable speaker ok :)
Battery powered should be better. It was voltage regulation on the audio
circuit that was pretty poor. They fixed that when the "+" models came
out.
drmatt wrote:
> (Which doesn't mean they all sound the same.)
...but in general they do sound the same if you do a good listening
test, as opposed to what most audiophiles actually do.
(1) Level match
(2) Time synch
(3) Blind test
Apesbrain wrote:
> I have a big, battery-powered, portable speaker running off the analog
> output of an original RPi/piCorePlayer and it sounds fine.
Ok thats put things into perspective , portable speaker ok :)
Main hifi:
SBGK wrote:
> your baseline would be to play a wav file using aplay. Both mpd a sl use
> aplay, but have all the extra file transfer/conversion etc stuff going
> on at the same time. So aplay will show you whether mpd sound or sl
> sound is nearer to what is possible via alsa.
Yes that would be
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Mnyb wrote:
> I've read that the older pi have really terrible analog out ?
I have a big, battery-powered, portable speaker running off the analog
output of an original RPi/piCorePlayer and it sounds fine.
Apesbrain's
edwardthern wrote:
> So I've been going back and forth with MPD and Squeezelite for over a
> yearprobably longer, but lets just say 'actively comparing' the two
> for at least a year.
>
> Initial listening both sound great. But over time MPD seems to sound
> thick with more bass than
edwardthern wrote:
> For places like the bathroom or kitchen I would use the RPI analog
> output.
Ok ive heard that it gotten slightly better now on pi3 :) then its
really not expensive . I've read that the older pi have really terrible
analog out ? But if the new version pi3 reached " good
drmatt wrote:
> Yeah, I've done that too, but I'd found genuine SB devices more reliable
> overall, particularly for sync.
>
> We are lucky that those that maintain LMS have actually allowed this to
> happen. Let's face it there's no money being paid for the software, and
> yet it's not only
Mnyb wrote:
> +1 regarding sync.
>
> However i think squeezelite able products are the next best thing
> compared to a real squeezebox.
>
> And its a bit of fun . I havent exactly searched for them but I'm
> convinced there are cheaper dacs than the hifiberry for those places
> like bathroom
+1 regarding sync.
However i think squeezelite able products are the next best thing
compared to a real squeezebox.
And its a bit of fun . I havent exactly searched for them but I'm
convinced there are cheaper dacs than the hifiberry for those places
like bathroom or patio where hifi listening
edwardthern wrote:
> In some places [where I only need background music] I use Android 7"
> tablets with Squeeze Player App and a SB control like Squeezer. For $40
> I have a touch screen display and I can use Bluetooth speakers for a
> neat set up. Other places like in my office I want a little
drmatt wrote:
> This thread reminds me why I like SB Receivers. Cheaper than a Pi plus
> DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
Sure what ever fits the purpose.
In some places [where I only need background music] I use Android 7"
tablets with Squeeze Player App and a SB
Indeed, but... why pay more unless you need more? If you just want a LMS
compatible music player and don't need a display or any other features,
then a SBR or even a chromecast audio is the cheapest way.
drmatt's
drmatt wrote:
> This thread reminds me why I like SB Receivers. Cheaper than a Pi plus
> DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
You can use some of the pi distros for just that build fit and forget
players .
It does not have to be a tweak cornocopia
This thread reminds me why I like SB Receivers. Cheaper than a Pi plus
DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
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edwardthern wrote:
> Variations between two identical Dacs.
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> Surely you can think better than that
>
> Try reading my DBT example a little slower, you will plainly see the
> 'only' variables were MPD and SL.
I don't recall you saying you'd defeated all coded DSP or replaygain
settings,
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