Fantastic. "Machines more sensitive than the ears they play to." I
wonder what he'd have made of today's super high res stuff.
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> Reminds me of bi-wiring speakers [emoji1787]
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aka 'buy wiring'.
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slartibartfast wrote:
> Is there any evidence at all that USB cables make a difference?
Some evidence that they don't:
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garym wrote:
Vinyl fans rejoice! one can always create vinyl from their digital
files. ;-)
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/21/3d-printed-record/
Skip the needle past the break for a lo-fi (or is it warmer) demo
Love it!
Mnyb wrote:
With correct system gain digital volume would be the best solution
,actually the only workable one if you want *exact* volume tracking
between all channels , you ever had a preamp where the volume is
slightly higher in one channel on low volume ?
You don't want the balance
boudy wrote:
Check out miniDSP
Boudy
Thank you - there's a lot to look at on that site. I suspect that one
of their 2-in/4-out balanced kits is what I need, and then a couple more
mono amplifier modules from Hypex (powered by my currently
over-specified power supplies). That would give me a
Does anyone have a good recommendation for aftermarket/DIY options to
convert passive speakers to active? When I built my speakers I
deliberately built the passive crossovers in separate enclosures
underneath the speaker boxes, and routed the cables from the drive units
to a multi-plug on the
I have an SB3 and a Touch, and have had both hooked up to my Dacmagic on
occasions. I have not been able to distinguish between the two
Squeezeboxes. If you don't need the extra bells and whistles of the
Touch, save your money.
John
Thank you. Yes, I realise that you were referring to the 'pull the
ethernet cable' test, but the underlying implication seemed rather
serious. I have to say I'm amazed at your findings. I can't believe
that what you've encountered is common. I once had a 'music centre'
(all the rage 30
lake_eleven wrote:
Soundcheck, in his thread, suggests using TCPOptimizer's 'optimal'
settings. Even this does not affect SBT playback?
What is the supposed mechanism for any improvement?
We know the server, even a hopelessly underpowered stressed out server,
gets all the right bits to the
JohnSwenson wrote:
But that test is not necessarily defintive, it only tells you if the
processing on the Touch is the issue. There are other possible paths
from server to ears such as EMI radiated from server, noise injected on
power mains etc. Something which is changing the whole
SBGK wrote:
lol, this really is the tar pit of audiophile forums.
OP, I would try somewhere else for an answer. The author of fidelizer
posts in a few eg jplay forums, you can ask him directly there.
SBGK
The fact is that there aren't many places that an explanation of
Fidelizer's
SuperQ wrote:
The answer is:
Expectation
Bias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimenter's_bias)
SuperQ - you're not allowed to say this. The OP has made it clear that
you're only allowed to post conjecture that reinforces his expectations.
I'm surprised he let you get away with this.
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You can always hear differences , SuperQ just suggested the most
plausible mechanism that makes fidelizer do that for squeezeboxes ( it
may very well work for some issues in pc playback on that I have no
opinion ) , so it actually answered the question ? Without LoL
You make a
diego wrote:
I have never heard any other recording sound so realistic. The illusion
of having the musicians in the living room comes indeed incredibly
close.
That is for me the reference point for home hifi... and no digital
reproduction I had the chance to hear, has come close to that,
extreme tweaks seem to support this
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Wired magazine:
Some purists will tell you to skip FLACs altogether and just buy WAVs.
[...] By buying WAVs, you can avoid the potential data loss incurred
when the file is compressed into a FLAC. This data loss is rare, but it
happens.
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, that should be sufficient to
conclude that your ears aren't totally reliable.
That's the conclusion that many are drawing from the TAS articles, and
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People once believed the earth revolved around the sun.
Have we stopped believing this now? Wow, you stop paying attention for
5 minutes...
(Sorry - I agreed with every other word of your post :))
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as the
ripper makes no difference. It's as simple as that - there really is
nothing but the bits in a rip.
Do you not see that? How can you give this a moment's credence? I'm
afraid this doesn't help your case regarding your claims about USB
cables.
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that you're a hifi retailer, particularly one who is apparently an
evangelist for computer-based audio, illustrates perfectly what's so
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that anyone can achieve by applying our best of
recommended software, tweaks, and computer playback refinements to his
own computer- based audio system.
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by different rippers can sound different?
After all, all of this claptrap is supported by the same level of
'evidence'. At what point do you personally start to question this
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music without being able to fiddle with OS
settings - but now I am confident that the journey has just begun ...
Well you can fiddle for as long as you like, but the accepted dogma is
that French is the best language for smooth music reproduction,
n'est-ce pas?
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carp;688965 Wrote:
Can this be an indication for SBGK being an indefatigable troll?
Well yes, but he does get very defensive whenever this possibility is
brought up:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=686265postcount=60
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[ ] Troll
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I blame myself for this.
I imagine Soundcheck does, too. :)
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think your view of the 'dogma' is a little too wide
- what people are clearly arguing against is your repeated claim that
the server settings have an effect. In that respect, these latest
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opinion on how much time is
needed to appreciate a difference. How long did it take in your
testing? Was it an instantly noticeable effect, were you listening to
complete (say, 3 minute) tracks each time, or did it take half an hour
of continuous playing in each configuration?
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with
TT3.
Thank you - that's a good data point.
And all this was done 'double blind'?
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The plural of anecdote is not data ;)
Ha! Good one!
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can continue to exchange our observations or wild guesses.
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chill;688047 Wrote:
For this test NOT to work requires that the content of the buffer is NOT
a perfect representation of the logical bit values that were in the
original data file. Are you still disputing that?
soundcheck;688054 Wrote:
Bottom line - I don't have to prove anything, nor
soundcheck;688022 Wrote:
Answer follows KISS principle. That's what I expected. :D And I don't
expect more to come to be honest. ;)
What ARE you talking about?
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the time to start
looking for the culprits.
For this test NOT to work requires that the content of the buffer is
NOT a perfect representation of the logical bit values that were in the
original data file. Are you still disputing that?
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piece of junk, oops I meant to say that the Synergistic Research
Tranquility Base is worth every penny.
Thanks!
I trust you saw the intended irony in my post. It struck me that we
all have a BS threshold, but it's set at a different level in each of
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adamdea;688049 Wrote:
Perhaps the audiophile forum could be divided into 3 subforums:
a. fruitcake
b. troll
c other.
...and we get put in the appropriate one by majority voting of our
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sound and this is one of the flattest (wrong word, maybe
'dullest') CDs I've bought in a while - very little top end.
But maybe you use it for the bass, which it has plenty of.
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Why do you consider the one test that would shed light on this to be
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that was the opposite of the original question.
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What a wonderfully honest post. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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HumanMedia;687676 Wrote:
I agree that these guys are pure snake oil rip-off quackery.
How can you possibly say that without at least giving a tranquility
base a try?
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aspects of the data transmission
over ethernet can influence the quality of the playback? Is there a
feasible explanation for what you are hearing?
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think you'd be able to hear an improvement
in the last 30 seconds of a track?
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track. So in that case the 'golden period' would still be
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soundcheck;686693 Wrote:
I can't do more for you than that.
Oh. What about an answer to the question that might move this
discussion along then?
chill;686686 Wrote:
So, in a blind test, do you think you'd be able to hear an improvement
in the last 30 seconds of a track?
and I suppose
hear a difference?
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will claim that FLAC, and
especially insane MP3s, already sound too bad to hear the effect.
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evdplancke;686734 Wrote:
Cognitive process passes through a kind of mental representation that
may need some more time.
Except that differences due to improved ethernet cables and server
priority tweaks are always 'instantly' apparent.
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explain why the test might not be viewed as
conclusive. But it's not, so it is.
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Thank you MCR - this place was dying a death without you.
So is your power conditioner still in warranty?
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the genuine impression that he
believes all this stuff himself. A troll for sure, but a highly
sophisticated troll who knows how to get the best out of his audience.
This forum would be a duller place without him.
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the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to
avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.
Brilliant! I can't tell for sure if they taking the p*** out of the
'paranoid community', but it certainly reads that way.
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That is in no way meant as a criticism of your GS10s, which I am not
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Ron Olsen;684700 Wrote:
My thought: you are a troll who likes to make outlandish claims
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the performers in front of me.
Moreover, I think that with a small effort of will I can imagine them in
different places (depths, heights) and maintain the illusion of this new
arrangement.
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of pipe at the end of
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Mnyb;684718 Wrote:
Interesting side track, it deserves it own tread
You're right. I'll start another thread and ask people not to make any
further comment on the soundstage topic in this thread.
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In another thread somebody raised the question of the soundstage that we
perceive when listening to 2-channel audio. Rather than polluting that
thread anymore, I'm moving that discussion to this thread.
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I considered starting a new thread for this, because I promise you
well. Some
image very well. On my previous system, almost EVERYTHING imaged well.
I put it down to the above effect - my current system uses all
pro-audio type equipment which might have something to do with it.
Darren
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image well. Some
image very well. On my previous system, almost EVERYTHING imaged well.
I put it down to the above effect - my current system uses all
pro-audio type equipment which might have something to do with it.
Darren
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sckramer;684022 Wrote:
I just got mad at the bickering, but people must have banned me cause
they though I was sbgk, didn't mean for that to happen
Indeed - I think a few people put 2 and 2 together to make 5. My
apologies for being among them.
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is or what it sounds like.
That's surely an area of uncertainty where myths can breed.
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of such a DAC - bit-perfect reception and a decoupled clock
surely 'solve' the source jitter issue.
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. That post of yours about the audible differences
between browsers was highly illuminating. It was a big help in putting
your other claims into perspective.
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that we can run IE9 and experience the sweetness
that it can bring to our systems.
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wooly
amps/speakers. Or maybe it's my negative expectation bias. Trust me
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on the face of it IE9 sounds better, why ? is it real ? don't know.
Now you're taking the piss, surely. Has that been your game all along?
Is it all one big experiment to see how far you can get with these
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sources I
listen to are digital these days), and it relieves me of all worries
about expensive digital cables and the like.
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plugin might not be the best way to
listen to a CD (if you've got a hardware CD player in your rack), but
they're all useful tools.
If this plugin existed, I would enjoy the possibility of fooling around
with different crossover profiles, just to see what they do to the
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the left, and one for the right?
What stops two SBs from synching better? Is it a hardware issue that
might be solvable if, say, two SB units shared some common (timing)
hardware? Or is it something that could be improved in software if
there was sufficient will?
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to the
correct driver units. So amps with appropriate characteristics could
be used for each driver type. Such an approach would be scalable for
multi-drive speakers too.
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with sonic differences between amps.
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back to the server that
enables it to figure out the timing of the whole playback chain. But
perhaps a hardware hack that forced two SBs to share a common playback
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synched squeezeboxes - is it good enough for each speaker to be on a
separate squeezebox, or for the bass drivers and tweeters to be on
separate squeezeboxes?
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in this respect. Is the v-link clock likely to
be any better than the Touch clock?
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? If it's to make
use of the asynch features of the USB, don't you lose that benefit as
soon as you convert back to SPDIF?
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mod?
Or is it because you're waiting for the other shoe to drop?
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possible for someone to 'hear' a difference. Yeah, go
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and Linux environments.
The process I was monitoring on my Mac was called perl5.10.0, and it
would make sense to expect that the perl code is common to all
platforms, so the gross characteristics of the data transmission might
be common. But who knows.
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in disabling it on the
unit itself. Wifi interference with your other components is the only
remaining problem, and that's just as likely to come from a nearby wifi
bridge as it is from your squeezebox.
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think
the extra ~100% network traffic (from streaming WAV rather than FLAC)
is going to have?
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with a Receiver, but I can't believe it would be
worse than the older SB3. If you've got a good line on a Receiver, the
form factor suits your system, and you're happy with the features, I'd
say go for it and don't let peer pressure force you into a purchase you
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Hehe - and I've been clicking the 'random' button on that site
continuously ever since seeing your post.
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instead you could 'just' go out and buy
dozens of different cables with unknown properties, and probably
negligible and largely inaudible differences in jitter? Beats me why
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SoftwireEngineer;550422 Wrote:
chill out..
I'm chilled, honestly. My (admittedly sarcastic) point was that Andy's
methodical approach, which will likely teach him and a few of us about
the audible effects of jitter, is likely to be more useful to everyone
else than his opinions about
level. ;)
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any difference in the sound though.
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I hadn't spotted the alligator clip - wow.
A list of his customers would be a gold mine. You could sell them
anything - absolutely anything!
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