Improve the Touch?
Flac, DAC, and Jack.
Done.
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- linestage: placette passive
- power amplifier: parasound hca-1500a
- speakers: harbeth compact 7es-3 monitor
steveinaz;686755 Wrote:
Improve the Touch?
Flac, DAC, and Jack.
Done.
+2/3 since I prefer Maker's Mark or Basil Hayden's to Jack. Give them a
try, you might be pleasantly surprised.
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ralphpnj
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Transporter 2 (oops) -
It's unbelievable, isn't it? And the harder you try to convince
believers of how illogical it all sounds, the stronger the claim is
believed!
I also see there's money to be made by most of these sites that were
linked. Perhaps the commercial aspect will keep these type of
conversations alive and
have put my findings for win 7 optimisation in the LMS Forum
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93175
might be useful to someone.
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TheOctavist;685525 Wrote:
the problem is that these Changes , while showing improvements(or
problems) are not in the audible band, and therefore worthless.
this stuff has been well understood for decades.
Mains Transformer resonances have harmonics In the audible band.
putting snubbers
some info about dirty electricity
http://www.emfields.org/filters/dirtyelectricity.asp
and an electrical pollution thread from another site which is
interesting.
http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=15560st=80
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SBGK;685669 Wrote:
...and an electrical pollution thread from another site which is
interesting.
http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=15560st=80
Fantastic stuff! Found this quote in a site
(http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/) that was
referenced in the
SBGK;685669 Wrote:
some info about dirty electricity
http://www.emfields.org/filters/dirtyelectricity.asp
and an electrical pollution thread from another site which is
interesting.
http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=15560st=80
Complete cranks:
for anyone thats
Kevin Haskins;685348 Wrote:
The very best way to improve the sound of ANY Squeezebox Touch is to use
better loudspeakers.
Just my $0.02
There's a law of nature related to audio. It's called the Shisho law.
That Shisho law says: WYFIWYG -- What You Feed Is What You Get.
The way you
soundcheck;685430 Wrote:
... you won't change anything on your source.
So thinking about the LMC pc as the source for a moment... from
reading your interesting stuff, I know you have tried different
operating systems and found a difference in the sound output. Have you
tried different
jmschnur;684709 Wrote:
A coiled cord will act as an inductor.
At 50/60Hz the effect will be non existent. It's schoolboy maths.
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Waldo Pepper;685445 Wrote:
At 50/60Hz the effect will be non existent. It's schoolboy maths.
Really? Try putting a few amps through a tightly coiled mains cable and
see what happens...
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You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call
I have removed the toslink and screen and have it angled away from the
circuit board, I then put in a plastic box, I then wrapped the box in
tin foil, well someone had to. The reasoning was that we already know
the Touch is sensitive to radiation and emf of various sorts that's why
removing the
Waldo Pepper;685445 Wrote:
At 50/60Hz the effect will be non existent. It's schoolboy maths.
you should also make sure power cables are separate from the
interconnect cables and if they have to cross then do so at 90'. That's
basic electrical engineering.
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Christ.
this thread is full of awesome.
people spouting about their degrees (id bet my nutsack that at least
one of the degreed has no degree at all, esp anything to do with a
scientific field), power cables, and foo.
the audiophile axis of awesome.
ive never understood this behavior..
SBGK;685486 Wrote:
I have removed the toslink and screen and have it angled away from the
circuit board, I then put in a plastic box, I then wrapped the box in
tin foil, well someone had to. The reasoning was that we already know
the Touch is sensitive to radiation and emf of various sorts
soundcheck;685430 Wrote:
There's a law of nature related to audio. It's called the Shisho law.
That Shisho law says: WYFIWYG -- What You Feed Is What You Get.
The way you express your opinion won't comply with that rule.
By changing the speaker you won't change anything on your
Really? This shit again? How many times does this conversation need to
take place? I give you the answer by the brightest guy on the forum.
Post #16.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=574856highlight=power#post574856
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TheOctavist;685489 Wrote:
Christ.
this thread is full of awesome.
people spouting about their degrees (id bet my nutsack that at least
one of the degreed has no degree at all, esp anything to do with a
scientific field), power cables, and foo.
the audiophile axis of awesome.
konut;685497 Wrote:
Really? This shit again? How many times does this conversation need to
take place? I give you the answer by the brightest guy on the forum.
Post #16.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=574856highlight=power#post574856
This is true and the fact is that $1 of
Phil Leigh;685514 Wrote:
This is true and the fact is that $1 of components (1 resistor and 1
capacitor) added across the transformer will achieve EXACTLY what a $10
or $5k cable can do. John has published the details somewhere on this
forum...
Bear in mind that ALL a cable has is
SBGK;685486 Wrote:
I have removed the toslink and screen and have it angled away from the
circuit board, I then put in a plastic box, I then wrapped the box in
tin foil, well someone had to. The reasoning was that we already know
the Touch is sensitive to radiation and emf of various sorts
SBGK;685552 Wrote:
in my orgy of covering things in tin foil I had wrapped about 5 inches
round the ethernet cable coming out of the laptop.
I was listening to the 24/96 Nirvana Nevermind and noticed that the
sound had gone soft compared to the led zep I was listening to earlier.
I
Kevin Haskins;685348 Wrote:
The very best way to improve the sound of ANY Squeezebox Touch is to use
better loudspeakers.
Just my $0.02
And what if you already have great speakers?
(in my case worth over 60 times what the SBT costs)
Do you suggest to still keep improving the speakers?
HumanMedia;685554 Wrote:
And what if you already have great speakers?
(in my case worth over 60 times what the SBT costs)
Do you suggest to still keep improving the speakers? What do you do
when you already have better speakers?
There have been periods of time, often years, where I've
SBGK;685552 Wrote:
in my orgy of covering things in tin foil I had wrapped about 5 inches
round the ethernet cable coming out of the laptop.
I was listening to the 24/96 Nirvana Nevermind and noticed that the
sound had gone soft compared to the led zep I was listening to earlier.
I
mlsstl;685557 Wrote:
There have been periods of time, often years, where I've improved
nothing in my system and simply enjoyed my music collection.
Just a thought ;-)
I'm sure all of us here can say the same. But this is a specific
discussion on how to make improvements, so I am
HumanMedia;685564 Wrote:
I'm sure all of us here can say the same. But this is a specific
discussion on how to make improvements, so I am chiming in with
information on that topic.
why noone chooses to accept the FACT that the room interactions have
the LARGEST impact on what we hear is
The very best way to improve the sound of ANY Squeezebox Touch is to use
better loudspeakers.
Just my $0.02
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magiccarpetride;684820 Wrote:
I'm not selling anything. Also, I'm not impressed with your credentials,
as I happen to have a PhD in scientific research. I could probably teach
you a thing or two about the proper way to approach any area of
scientific research. I say 'probably' because
magiccarpetride;684821 Wrote:
You are in a privileged position of being able to use the 'giant killer'
T-amps, which are best driven off a standalone battery. I can't, because
I'm in a need of tremendous power and current in order to feed my hungry
beasts -- Maggies.
'Scientists' on this
soundcheck;684986 Wrote:
As you know. There so many real smart people around here. ;)
Fact is. A cable acts as an antenna and a filter due to its capacitive,
resistive and inductive characteristics.
And these characteristics are different for every cable.
The plugs make things worse of
...some years back in the darg ages of slightly polluted mains power (
compared to todays massive pollution). I did a lot of weired things.
I swapped my power cables (pure silver!!), in-wall cables down to the
distribution frame.
I swapped pretty much everything in the path. Plugs, fuses
Ron Olsen;684700 Wrote:
No; I have a Master's degree in electrical engineering and computer
science from M.I.T.
Claiming that changing a 3 ft. section of wire gives an order of
magnitude better sound is pure BS.
Claiming that changing the power cord on your PC improves the color
soundcheck;684816 Wrote:
...some years back, in the dark ages of slightly polluted mains power
(compared to todays massive pollution). I did a lot of weired things.
I swapped my power cables (pure silver!!), in-wall cables down to the
distribution frame.
I swapped pretty much everything
magiccarpetride;684820 Wrote:
I'm not selling anything. Also, I'm not impressed with your credentials,
as I happen to have a PhD in scientific research. I could probably teach
you a thing or two about the proper way to approach any area of
scientific research. I say 'probably' because
Ron Olsen;684700 Wrote:
My thought: you are a troll who likes to make outlandish claims
Let's not feed him
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ralphpnj;684707 Wrote:
No, I repeat a power cable is not a filter. At best it will allow for
the absolutely perfect transmission of the electric current from the
power outlet, i.e. receptacle, to the electric device, e.g. power amp.
It should not alter or improve the electric current in any
magiccarpetride;684820 Wrote:
as I happen to have a PhD in scientific research.
I'm not questioning your degree (as I've suggested in the past that you
probably are an academic researcher conducting a study on how many
people you can get to support outlandish ideas you post on a forum).
But
A few years ago I had the opportunity to replace all the wiring in my
house with unwaxed dental floss. Upon reconnecting my stereo I
immediately noticed that things sounded about 10 orders of magnitude
better.
The sound was cleaner, as if a layer of plague had been removed.
There was more space
garym;684825 Wrote:
I'm not questioning your degree (as I've suggested in the past that you
probably are an academic researcher conducting a study on how many
people you can get to support outlandish ideas you post on a forum).
But I've never heard of such a specialty within a PhD. Most are
ralphpnj;684828 Wrote:
A few years ago I had the opportunity to replace all the wiring in my
house with unwaxed dental floss.
Don't tell me you're still using UNwaxed dental floss, the waxed
variety increases soundstage rotation by several powers of pi and
allows you to tell whether the
+1 For the waxed floss.
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Percival Sweetwater;684839 Wrote:
+1 For the waxed floss.
I can;t believe you're persecuting me like this you fascists- this is
what happens when a real scientist with GCSEs and eveything in an
ology tries to report his genuine research.
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adamdea;684837 Wrote:
Don't tell me you're still using UNwaxed dental floss, the waxed variety
increases soundstage rotation by several powers of pi and allows you to
tell whether the muscians have washed their hair recently, or voted
Democrat.
That may be true but I do know that waxed
Waxed floss is OK, but I find it needs weighting. A small blob of
blu-tac moulded round every 28cm (approx) tidies the sound up
significantly.
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kidstypike
1xSB3 - 1xDuet (sold) - 1xBoom - 1xRadio - 1xTouch
magiccarpetride;684833 Wrote:
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. Albert
Einstein
As a person that works in a university, I can certainly agree with
this
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*Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch,
Boom, Radio w/Battery (all
magiccarpetride;684619 Wrote:
I now have an additional problem -- I need to shell out another 100
bucks for another Venom 3 for my pre-amp. No rest for the wicked...
Thought you were going to say you tried the power cable on your
squeezebox server pc...
Go on give it a bash, if it makes the
Deaf Cat;684864 Wrote:
Thought you were going to say you tried the power cable on your
squeezebox server pc...
Go on give it a bash, if it makes the screen look better at work it
should hopefully make the pc innards at home work nicer too.
Another tweek I had not thought of to add to my
ralphpnj;684846 Wrote:
That may be true but I do know that waxed floss tends to add a layer of
opaqueness to the music, kind of the exact reverse of adding a degree
of transparency. You know the old it's as if a window add been opened
line, but only the reverse of that.
By the way, for
magiccarpetride;684869 Wrote:
However, my primary concern is improving the sound quality of my stereo,
so for now I'm exploring only that side of the equation.
Sorry, I shall try to ask again, Do you run LMS on a pc? if you do, I
was wondering if using an after market power cable on the LMS
Deaf Cat;684886 Wrote:
Sorry, I shall try to ask again, Do you run LMS on a pc? if you do, I
was wondering if using an after market power cable on the LMS pc would
make any difference to the sound quality of the touch output...
As, I have found different power cables give different
kidstypike;684858 Wrote:
Waxed floss is OK, but I find it needs weighting. A small blob of
blu-tac moulded round every 28cm (approx) tidies the sound up
significantly.
..but if you add 2 parts whipped cream to one part sherbet, it will
completely clear it, fold it up and put it in a
magiccarpetride;684889 Wrote:
Ah, gotcha now (sorry, I was a bit thick last time around;)
Yes, that sounds like a reasonable idea. Intuitively, I'd think that
using Shunyata on the SBT should yield me bigger improvements than
using it on the music server side, but I can't know for real
Ran into an unexpected tweak yesterday, which in the end turned out to
be very helpful for improving the sound of my Touch. Decided to share
this with a few sympathetic ears on this forum, despite being fully
aware that this narrative will provoke all the unbridled hatred of so
many deranged sock
There's a reason it's called Venom. Seems to poison everything it
touches.
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Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter -
Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch
'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/)
ralphpnj;684679 Wrote:
There's a reason it's called Venom. Seems to poison everything it
touches.
How so?
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What about all the wire in the walls? You just replaced a 3 ft. section?
You also need to rip out all that substandard wire inside the walls, all
the way back to the power meter, and replace it with Venom as well.
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Ron Olsen;684684 Wrote:
What about all the wire in the walls? You just replaced a 3 ft. section?
You also need to rip out all that substandard wire inside the walls, all
the way back to the power meter, and replace it with Venom as well.
If I place a water filter at the end of my faucet,
magiccarpetride;684680 Wrote:
How so?
Appears to have poisoned your wallet.
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Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter -
Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch
'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/)
magiccarpetride;684689 Wrote:
If I place a water filter at the end of my faucet, according to your
logic, that would be useless, because there are miles of miles of water
pipes leading to my house, and these pipes are supplying unclean water.
According to your reasoning, I should place water
magiccarpetride;684689 Wrote:
If I place a water filter at the end of my faucet, according to your
logic, that would be useless, because there are miles of miles of water
pipes leading to my house, and these pipes are supplying unclean water.
According to your reasoning, I should place water
chill;684696 Wrote:
That analogy works if you believe the new cable has the properties of a
filter, ie it can clean up a dirty supply. But another analogy might be
to consider the new cable as just a better bit of pipe at the end of the
run.
Edit: Ralph beat me to it.
But a power cable
magiccarpetride;684689 Wrote:
If I place a water filter at the end of my faucet, according to your
logic, that would be useless, because there are miles of miles of water
pipes leading to my house, and these pipes are supplying unclean water.
According to your reasoning, I should place water
magiccarpetride;684619 Wrote:
Ran into an unexpected tweak yesterday, which in the end turned out to
be very helpful for improving the sound of my Touch. Decided to share
this with a few sympathetic ears on this forum, despite being fully
aware that this narrative will provoke all the
A coiled cord will act as an inductor.
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I appreciate our educated forum members like Ron who debunk myths like
this.
Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and
superstition.
Adam Smith (1723-90) Scottish economist. The Wealth of Nations, 1776.
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