Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-05-15 Thread Archimago
arnyk wrote: ... It is big enough to look impressive to casual readers, but to me it seems to be pointed in the wrong direction to impress their target market. ... That there is the key. As far as I can tell, all of this rumination around specialized filters to modify the impulse response

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-05-13 Thread ralphpnj
arnyk wrote: Most interesting plot might be: 'Pono Player Measurements at Stereophile.com' (http://www.stereophile.com/content/pono-ponoplayer-portable-music-player-measurements) 18011 Fig.3 Pono PonoPlayer, frequency response at –12dBFS into 100k ohms with data sampled at: 44.1kHz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-05-13 Thread arnyk
Apesbrain wrote: Another recent review and some measurements here: http://www.stereophile.com/content/pono-ponoplayer-portable-music-player Most interesting plot might be: 'Pono Player Measurements at Stereophile.com'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-05-13 Thread arnyk
ralphpnj wrote: The plot thickens (pun intended). Could it be that Pono's glorious sound with high resolution material is due it's less than stellar reproduction of standard resolution material? Just saying. Truthfully, this is not a big enough of a flaw to create a glorious sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-05-12 Thread pippin
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-05-12 Thread Mike Sargent
Pono just announced a new feature: PonoRevealer. It downloads the same song in multiple resolutions to your Pono player and then allows you to change resolutions in the middle of a song. Resolutions include: MP3 (Amazon), AAC (Mastered for iTunes), CD (44.1/16), 96/24 and 192/24. 'PonoRevealer'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-03-29 Thread paulster
stroom wrote: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/pono-player-and-promises-fulfilled The trouble is you read that and you think it's going to sound amazing with well-matched headphones, based on the fact that they've used the DACs in fully differential mode, have +/- power supplies, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-03-29 Thread Apesbrain
Recent review and some measurements here: http://www.stereophile.com/content/pono-ponoplayer-portable-music-player Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-03-29 Thread Mnyb
stroom wrote: http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/pono-player-and-promises-fulfilled Interesting review a lot off things about which headphones to use . So the designer is of the zero feedback faith and apodising filter faith . Any one used the store yet to buy some music .

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-03-29 Thread stroom
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/pono-player-and-promises-fulfilled == Squeezebox 3 // Squeezebox Touch // Squeezebox Boom// Squeezebox Radio// Sheevaplug stroom's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-03-29 Thread Mnyb
Apesbrain wrote: Another recent review and some measurements here: http://www.stereophile.com/content/pono-ponoplayer-portable-music-player Thanks that put even more insigths to it . Where to start , if you for religious reasons resorts to filters that re-introduce aliasing artifacts in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-05 Thread Mnyb
paulster wrote: I'd be interested to see measurements. I've had two of them, one that sounded noticeably different to the other (which is a QC worry), but neither of them could hold a candle to the other couple of 9018-based DACs I have in my systems. The owner of one of them came over all

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-05 Thread paulster
Mnyb wrote: If it has a frequency response problem and muddy bass when driving headphones that makes me want to see the measurements even more , looks like a classic impedance mismatch problem But also when driving a preamp in line out mode, which should be an easy load. Same issue. Two

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-05 Thread paulster
Mnyb wrote: Yes no measurement ? But it's seems nice enough portable player with good headphone drive capability actually quite ok. But as stated that would not sell , let's get on the HRA hype bandwagon :D Considering that many headfi guys lug around multiple box rigs in thier

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-04 Thread Wirrunna
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/pono-player-review-a-tall-refreshing-drink-of-snake-oil/1/ A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-04 Thread Archimago
Hmmm. Still no measurements yet! Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-04 Thread Wirrunna
ralphpnj wrote: Thanks! A very enjoyable read and a real hands on, real world review. Good, I thought it was too. Did you follow the link to the tear down ? http://mikebeauchamp.com/2014/12/pono-player-teardown/ in case you missed it. A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-04 Thread Mnyb
Archimago wrote: Hmmm. Still no measurements yet! Yes no measurement ? But it's seems nice enough portable player with good headphone drive capability actually quite ok. But as stated that would not sell , let's get on the HRA hype bandwagon :D Considering that many headfi guys lug around

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-02-04 Thread ralphpnj
Wirrunna wrote: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/pono-player-review-a-tall-refreshing-drink-of-snake-oil/1/ Thanks! A very enjoyable read and a real hands on, real world review. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-25 Thread Mnyb
I think wombat is joking :) . The general pointlessness of DSD ( as a consumer playback system ) is another topic Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-25 Thread ralphpnj
Mike Sargent wrote: Actually, it's quite a good album. Don't let your biases prevent you from listening to good music. Mike While it's good to see/hear Lady Gaga expanding her range, she still has a lot to learn about how to sing standards but at least she is trying and hopefully learning

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-25 Thread Archimago
Mike Sargent wrote: Actually, it's quite a good album. Don't let your biases prevent you from listening to good music. Mike I actually like standards albums. That's fine. I'm not referring necessarily to the quality of the performance (subjective), but rather that the recording and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-25 Thread Mike Sargent
Archimago wrote: I keep seeing these Bennett/Lady Gaga Sony ads... Ghastly! I can't see that album being a good ambassador for high-resolution. Actually, it's quite a good album. Don't let your biases prevent you from listening to good music. Mike

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-25 Thread Wombat
Mnyb wrote: I think wombat is joking :) . The general pointlessness of DSD ( as a consumer playback system ) is another topic Myself also knows no one being interestet to much in dsd luckily. It could be nice to get some old SACD masterings though. dsd is a prime example for wishfull

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-25 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb wrote: I think wombat is joking :) . The general pointlessness of DSD ( as a consumer playback system ) is another topic DSD maybe pointless as a consumer playback system (which it most definitely is) but DSD is great as a marketing tool. Remember always FOLLOW THE MONEY! Living

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-24 Thread Archimago
Wombat wrote: Also Pono realized dsd is a growing market http://www.audiostream.com/content/pono-play-dsd Wonder if they stop selling PCM then of the ones available as dsd because they want only the best! I don't know if DSD is a growing market, Wombat. i actually know of nobody in my

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-24 Thread Archimago
Interesting discussion boys... Lets open up a new thread on multichannel! I as well have been listening to more multichannel over the last year and slowly putting a library together. Would be interested in how you all are doing the playback side... Archimago's Musings:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-24 Thread Mike Sargent
atrocity wrote: By the way, there's been an interesting trickle of old quadraphonic mixes making it to DVD-A and (especially) SACD lately. More on Blu-Ray than DVD-A (by a long shot). I'm really enjoying High Fidelity Pure Audio. Many are multi-channel, including some you wouldn't expect like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-24 Thread Wombat
Also Pono realized dsd is a growing market http://www.audiostream.com/content/pono-play-dsd Wonder if they stop selling PCM then of the ones available as dsd because they want only the best! Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-24 Thread paulster
The player doesn't natively play DSD or DoP FLAC, despite the DACs ability to do so. The version of jRiver converts DSD to PCM FLAC, which seems like a complete oversight. Two track 1's and no track 2 after a scan for new and changed? Please vote for serious scanning bug '17782'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-23 Thread atrocity
Mnyb wrote: I really loved the underestimated feature of discrete 6ch uncompressed music . That was the real deal with SACD or DVDA 2ch of the same master would sound exactly the same as 16/44.1 or 24/192 but the multichannel was something else . Totally agree. It's the only feature I

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-22 Thread Archimago
I've said my peace. No more Pono talk for me :-). 'http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/01/last-words-on-pono-mastering-analysis.html' (http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2015/01/last-words-on-pono-mastering-analysis.html) Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-22 Thread Wombat
A while back: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101133-Pono-Playerp=774927viewfull=1#post774927 Also i think it is almost a shame to misuse the idea behind crowd-funding this way. Wombat's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Last words on PONO...

2015-01-22 Thread Mnyb
Mr young cant work magic either ,apparently ? The elephant in the room is that as a reseller you just dont have creative control over what masters you get ! the record company’s sends what they see fit . Mr Young has control over his own stuff and also apparently used the best ones he had ,even