philippe_44 wrote:
But, when you do the D/A conversion, this is where shit happens and this
where also noise can be re-injected by some proximity interferers - but
this is very close proximity, not the ethernet cable between my computer
source and the next switch.
But you can't *prove*
Gandhi wrote:
Maybe I'll treat myself to a shiny, new Ethernet cable.
The silver in them must be hand forged by singing virgins in the
moonlight or possibly elfs . Otherwise they won't do .
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Julf wrote:
Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the
demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't
matter - the point of the Very Expensive Audiophool Ethernet Cable is to
isolate your music streamer from the nasty noise in computers (and I
Mnyb wrote:
The silver in them must be hand forged by singing virgins in the
moonlight or possibly elfs . Otherwise they won't do .
Virgin elf, my son. Virgin elf. The seventh son of a seventh son of a
virgin elf.
Best Regards,
Gandhi
not often enough well recorded and mastered cds *|*
Archimago wrote:
On that note, I published the Intercontinental Test thanks to Mnyb.
:-)
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/02/measurements-intercontinental-internet.html
Enjoy...
Such a splendid showcase! If this doesn't eradicate audiophoolia,
nothing will! (And my money is on the
Archimago wrote:
On that note, I published the Intercontinental Test thanks to Mnyb.
:-)
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/02/measurements-intercontinental-internet.html
Enjoy...
Good stuff. It would have been interesting to do a traceroute to see
how many routers the data was
Shocking!
Now think one minute that there seriously are people out there that
claim audible improvements when doing audiophile registry tweaks on
Mnybs PC :)
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Now it seems that even The New York Times wants to get in on that
quantum mechanics thing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/the-reality-of-quantum-weirdness.html?action=clickpgtype=Homepageversion=Moth-Hiddenmodule=inside-nyt-regionregion=inside-nyt-regionWT.nav=inside-nyt-region
Gandhi wrote:
Such a splendid showcase! If this doesn't eradicate audiophoolia,
nothing will! (And my money is on the latter...)
Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the
demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't
matter - the point of the
Julf wrote:
Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the
demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't
matter - the point of the Very Expensive Audiophool Ethernet Cable is to
isolate your music streamer from the nasty noise in computers (and I
mikerob wrote:
Good stuff. It would have been interesting to do a traceroute to see
how many routers the data was going through in its journey between
Sweden and Canada.
If you read the New York Times I linked to above you will realize that
the data may or may not have passed through all
paulster wrote:
Nice job... as always.
I've been at a loss this last few years to understand whether these
'high-end' cable companies offering their special digital cables truly
believe that they are somehow better, or whether they know they make no
difference but that they have a market
netchord wrote:
is '$8.98 super expensive?'
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GK5UI06/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1)
i recently switched from transporter connected wirelessly, to wired w/
the above cable to an Airport Extreme, which in turn connects wirelessly
to another
Mnyb wrote:
one should insert an extra switch and a short piece of this super
expensive cable .
is '$8.98 super expensive?'
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GK5UI06/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1)
i recently switched from transporter connected wirelessly, to wired w/
the
Wombat wrote:
According to your sig you use the Transporter as transport only but hear
better dynamics over ethernet against wireless?
old sig- can't figure out how to change it.
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G61-- Nordost
netchord wrote:
is '$8.98 super expensive?'
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GK5UI06/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1)
i recently switched from transporter connected wirelessly, to wired w/
the above cable to an Airport Extreme, which in turn connects wirelessly
to another
philippe_44 wrote:
Quick question: you've lost me here ... I fully agree with you wrt the
insanities I'm reading like this NAS or this hardrive is giving a much
deeper sound - this is laughable, but intermediate steps do not matter,
they really don't. Your signal can come from Mars, being
Mnyb wrote:
It is a slight possibility to inject noise at the last leg , but as
Archimagos measurment shows it does not actually happen in practice with
normal equipment he uses rather crummy switches etc to hammer in the
piont . And if the player has some of the shelf recovering circuit it
Julf wrote:
Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the
demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't
matter - the point of the Very Expensive Audiophool Ethernet Cable is to
isolate your music streamer from the nasty noise in computers (and I
Sorry for rambling , some cables do for example provide silver
conductors which in this aplication makes no difference what so ever .
So some high ends mods are not harmful they just do nothing at all .
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Julf wrote:
Unfortunately I have already come across audiophiles arguing that the
demonstration is pointless, as the intermediate digital steps don't
matter - the point of the Very Expensive Audiophool Ethernet Cable is to
isolate your music streamer from the nasty noise in computers (and I
paulster wrote:
Nice job... as always.
I've been at a loss this last few years to understand whether these
'high-end' cable companies offering their special digital cables truly
believe that they are somehow better, or whether they know they make no
difference but that they have a market
Archimago wrote:
Thanks again man. You do have a nice library! Despite the latency time
and all, the interface was quite snappy accessing the library with my
Android tablet and Squeeze Commander.
Hey wait a minute - isn't your android tablet running Squeeze Commander
(by the way have you
Archimago wrote:
On that note, I published the Intercontinental Test thanks to Mnyb.
:-)
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/02/measurements-intercontinental-internet.html
Enjoy...
Nice job... as always.
I've been at a loss this last few years to understand whether these
'high-end'
ralphpnj wrote:
Great work on the Intercontinental Test gentlemen. One quick note -
those buffer under-runs you were experiencing during the playback of the
14bit/88.2kHz song can easily be explained by the following quantum
mechanics formula (remember quantum mechanics is the place to go to
I'm cheaper than you :) I can change my opinions completely for no more
than 200k$ I'm investing in a new apartment . I'll photograph my hifi
rig with all the fancy cables and publish in any hifi fora of your
choice .
Cable vendors please pm me ...
But joking aside a pity that the throughput
Mnyb wrote:
Thanks for trying . Pity the link was not fast enough for every test or
listening .
Now maybe i should pay for an 100mB uplink :) that would make streaming
trouble free from where ever i'm at , before Spotify i used to do this
when travelling to get music to my hotell .inside
Mnyb wrote:
I'm cheaper than you :) I can change my opinions completely for no more
than 200k$ I'm investing in a new apartment . I'll photograph my hifi
rig with all the fancy cables and publish in any hifi fora of your
choice .
Cable vendors please pm me ...
But joking aside a pity
Thanks for trying . Pity the link was not fast enough for every test or
listening .
Now maybe i should pay for an 100mB uplink :) that would make streaming
trouble free from where ever i'm at , before Spotify i used to do this
when travelling to get music to my hotell .inside Sweden the hotel
Brilliant! I feel proud for being part of creating those cables many,
many years ago... :)
To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953
Archimago wrote:
Seriously guys. There's no way to truly calculate everything at this
point with those equations.
You see, until the Grand Unification Theory is completed, no matter what
we do, we're clearly going to be missing some detail which will of
course be important because our
Seriously guys. There's no way to truly calculate everything at this
point with those equations.
You see, until the Grand Unification Theory is completed, no matter what
we do, we're clearly going to be missing some detail which will of
course be important because our hearing is analogue and of
ralphpnj wrote:
On the contrary I don't believe that I missed anything since it was only
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle at work. Not only that but because of
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle there is no need to even state what
the variables are since they could and can be just about
Yea yeah I put my end of the cable on cable lifters :rolleyes:
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Mnyb wrote:
Yea yeah I put my end of the cable on cable lifters :rolleyes:
Mnyb - while cable lifters are absolutely necessary in order to achieve
optimal sound using advance quantum mechanical theory I have discovered
that the ratio of the height of the cable to the length of the cable
being
I think you may have, inadvertently, missed a term for an external
potential. But I don't think it invalidates your argument.
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ralphpnj wrote:
I can understand your concern regarding relativistic jitter, which as
you probably know is jitter in the femtosecond range. Although
relativistic jitter can only be heard by golden eared professional audio
reviewers their vivid descriptions of the massive amounts of damage
kidstypike wrote:
It also helps if you use these for storage:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/sony-announces-100-premium-sound-memory-card-for-audiophiles
:confused:
If we are to trust absolute sound all hope is gone Archimago copied the
test files to his ftp server from which I then
mrw wrote:
I think you may have, inadvertently, missed a term for an external
potential. But I don't think it invalidates your argument.
On the contrary I don't believe that I missed anything since it was only
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle at work. Not only that but because of
It also helps if you use these for storage:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/sony-announces-100-premium-sound-memory-card-for-audiophiles
:confused:
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Mnyb wrote:
If we are to trust absolute sound all hope is gone Archimago copied the
test files to his ftp server from which I then copied them again to my
desktop and then copied them again to my server .
Yep don't ever forgive these lunatics at Absolute sound for producing
that article
ralphpnj wrote:
That time difference is going to really going to add some delay to the
music. Archimago most likely will still be listening to the first
movement of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony while back in Västerås you'll be
singing Ode to Joy :)
More worried about relativistic jitter (TM)
Mnyb wrote:
More worried about relativistic jitter (TM) that does horrible things
to audio if you are on diffrent sides of a planet. Even more so if I
where on a body with diffrent gravity :D
I can understand your concern regarding relativistic jitter, which as
you probably know is jitter in
Mnyb wrote:
DL'ed the files they are in my server ,sorry for the dealy feel asleep
.
There is a time difference 23:20 in Toronto 05:20 in Västerås +- some
jitter :D
That time difference is going to really going to add some delay to the
music. Archimago most likely will still be
ralphpnj wrote:
Did someone mention hockey? I'm a big time hockey fan and have been
since I was a kid and watched Bobby Hull and Bobby Orr play. Right now
in the greater NYC area hockey is the only major American sport with
decent NYC area teams. Last night I watched the game between the
Thanks!
If you can keep the server open for a few days I'll get to it soon...
Alas, have a presentation to prepare for for Thursday so probably can't
test for the next 48 hours!
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audiophile blog.
Archimago wrote:
Yup... Let's do this man. PM'ed you!
DL'ed the files they are in my server ,sorry for the dealy feel asleep
.
There is a time difference 23:20 in Toronto 05:20 in Västerås +- some
jitter :D
Main hifi:
Julf wrote:
But when they play in NHL, there isn't that old don't mention the war
tension...
:-) I see... Yeah, that could add an interesting dimension.
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Julf wrote:
I hope you didn't take the boat. I still remember the times I did the
crossing in the cheap cabins at the water line back in my student days -
those ships are class A1 ice breakers, but the noise of the ice hitting
the hull right at where your bunk is is something else...
Nope
Archimago wrote:
Cool man, you're probably more of a fan than I am :-). I followed the
game much more in the early 2000s when Naslund was here before life got
busy with work and kids. These days, I'm one of those playoff fans
that gets interested come April when the regular season ends and
Back from my trip to Finland , still interest in long distance ethernet
test . Looking at your comment field for this blog, it starts to get a
bit nutty .
Wonder if you get discount from audioquest if you wish to cross the
atlantic with thier cable :rolleyes:
jimmypowder wrote:
I have all Radio Shack equipment . Speakers , amp . Top of the line .
Oooohhh... Nice. I hope it's vintage Realistic and Optimus! We need
pictures!
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audiophile blog.
Mnyb wrote:
Back from my trip to Finland , still interest in long distance ethernet
test . Looking at your comment field for this blog, it starts to get a
bit nutty .
Wonder if you get discount from audioquest if you wish to cross the
atlantic with thier cable :rolleyes:
Yup... Let's
Mnyb wrote:
Back from my trip to Finland
I hope you didn't take the boat. I still remember the times I did the
crossing in the cheap cabins at the water line back in my student days -
those ships are class A1 ice breakers, but the noise of the ice hitting
the hull right at where your bunk is
Archimago wrote:
Hey, considering the number of northern European players we get around
here, I believe it!
But when they play in NHL, there isn't that old don't mention the war
tension...
To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high
Archimago wrote:
Cool, Jimmy. You da man! Let us know what you're using it with and
make sure to post lots of pictures of your soundroom with all the
audiophile bling!
I have all Radio Shack equipment . Speakers , amp . Top of the line .
SBGK wrote:
still bitter ?
SBGK. Although this might require another thread, since you're here, I
am wondering when you say (in MQnreadme.txt):
-MQn - Just good music is (sic) a minimalist WASAPI Wav memory player
that is stripped back as far as possible to reduce noise.-
What noise are you
ralphpnj wrote:
Come on Archimago you know that it is the noise generated by those
non-audiophile Ethernet and USB cables that you are so fond of.
I dunno man. Let's see what SBGK has to say about this...
SBGK, seriously man, I appreciate the work and time you have spent as I
look at your
Archimago wrote:
SBGK. Although this might require another thread, since you're here, I
am wondering when you say (in MQnreadme.txt):
-MQn - Just good music is (sic) a minimalist WASAPI Wav memory player
that is stripped back as far as possible to reduce noise.-
What noise are you
Archimago wrote:
Hey, since I'm located on the W. Coast of N. America, maybe one of you
Europeans would like to open up your LMS for me to stream the test
signals over and I can put up a fun post looking at measurements from
audio streamed from the other side of the world.
I am actually
Mnyb wrote:
My idea was that the extreme realy is from another continent :-)
...
Good idea.
Hey, since I'm located on the W. Coast of N. America, maybe one of you
Europeans would like to open up your LMS for me to stream the test
signals over and I can put up a fun post looking at
SBGK once stated what speakers he uses. It were some vintage 2-way
monitors with a tweeter that these days pretty sure is long surpassed.
Can't find the post though.
So if anything produces noise on playback it is his speakers looong
before digging into high dynamic range number.
Transporter
I have 100/10 mb ethernet rigth into my wall I'm curently at work in
another country i'll pm when I'm back unless someone else does it :)
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I suspect even a 2.5-5Mbps connection is fine. The issue is of course
what is the actual transfer rate from there to here in Vancouver,
Canada. So long as we don't get buffer underruns, we should be good.
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audiophile blog.
I think some hypotheses are too ridiculous to be taken seriously. That
is all.
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Archimago wrote:
Yeah, the speed of NHL hockey is phenomenal. I love the live
experience and excitement of being at hockey than any other sport.
You should see the Finland-Russia (or even Finland-Sweden) games... :)
To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
Julf wrote:
You should see the Finland-Russia (or even Finland-Sweden) games... :)
Hey, considering the number of northern European players we get around
here, I believe it!
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Wombat wrote:
Go Canucks!
Hey, you a hockey fan Wombat?
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I have heard the 10,000 dollar Audioquest Ethernet cable and it is
amazing !! The differences from a standard
Ethernet cable are profound . I'm thinking of buying a pair .
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jimmypowder wrote:
I have heard the 10,000 dollar Audioquest Ethernet cable and it is
amazing !! The differences from a standard
Ethernet cable are profound . I'm thinking of buying a pair .
Cool, Jimmy. You da man!
Let us know what you're using it with and make sure to post *lots *of
jimmypowder wrote:
I have heard the 10,000 dollar Audioquest Ethernet cable and it is
amazing !! The differences from a standard
Ethernet cable are profound . I'm thinking of buying a pair .
You go, girlfriend!
Julf wrote:
Then we have our occasional friend with his 'MQn player'
(http://2channelaudio.blogspot.nl/2014/02/mqn-minimalist-pc-music-player-king-of.html)...
still bitter ?
Touch optimisations http://touchsgotrythm.blogspot.co.uk/
Wombat wrote:
I am kind of a fan. In germany we didn't have ice hockey on TV but me
had always ESPN in pay-TV and i did fall in love with NHL hockey.
Now that ESPN is gone here we luckily have an US sports channel and i
watch as often i can. I always liked Vancouver with the Sedin brothers
Archimago wrote:
Hey, you a hockey fan Wombat?
I am kind of a fan. In germany we didn't have ice hockey on TV but me
had always ESPN in pay-TV and i did fall in love with NHL hockey.
Now that ESPN is gone here we luckily have an US sports channel and i
watch as often i can. I always liked
pablolie wrote:
a lot of audiophile recordings are actually very sterile and un-engaging
performances. sheffield labs - i used their test cd for setup, but their
reference recordings are bla. but that's just me.
It's not just limited to audio recording, i.e. recordings made on
audiophile
SBGK wrote:
still bitter ?
Yeah that audiophile kool-aid is awfully bitter.
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Energy
Wonder how the poor sod's using wimp/tidal are having it . We must
insist that they wire up with those silver ethernet cables :rolleyes:
and change their SATA cables .
Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621
Julf wrote:
But you can't measure what we hear :)
I guess the only frontier remaining unmeasured is the issue of
supposedly bit-perfect, but better player software.
Oh think our hero used some of these in another blog ? Or at least loads
his pc close to 100% with other task at the same
Mnyb wrote:
Wonder how the poor sod's using wimp/tidal are having it.
what's your issue w/ Tidal (or presumably lossless streaming in
general?)
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Mnyb wrote:
Wonder how the poor sod's using wimp/tidal are having it . We must
insist that they wire up with those silver ethernet cables :rolleyes:
and change their SATA cables .
I am thinking about starting an audiophile internet service provider,
where all cables and routers are proper
Julf wrote:
I am thinking about starting an audiophile internet service provider,
where all cables and routers are proper audiophile spec stuff...
To really bury this issue we could place the test files on our servers
and temporarily portforward LMS and let Archimago measure :D
Arch,
Bottom line: There's no evidence that any of the digital cables make an
audible difference be it TosLink, coaxial, USB, or now ethernet within
an error-free system.
You measured differences between different coax S/PDIF cables here.
Julf wrote:
I am thinking about starting an audiophile internet service provider,
where all cables and routers are proper audiophile spec stuff...
Include free streaming of jazz at the pawnshop and i'm on .
Main hifi:
Mnyb wrote:
Include free streaming of jazz at the pawnshop and i'm on .
I'll throw in some Diana Krall, but only in DSD!
To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many
darrenyeats wrote:
Arch,
Bottom line: There's no evidence that any of the digital cables make an
audible difference be it TosLink, coaxial, USB, or now ethernet within
an error-free system.
You measured differences between different coax S/PDIF cables here.
Shocking results again!
I see the critics already seeing the problems occuring below the level
you can measure. Ignoring that it simply plays no role then for any
realworld system.
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Archimago wrote:
:-)
Actually I can do this already because my dad has a Touch across town
that links to my home server. I seriously hope we don't need to do this
kind of extreme testing to prove a point about digital data integrity
and the ability for the devices to buffer enough of the
Wombat wrote:
Shocking results again!
I see the critics already seeing the problems occuring below the level
you can measure. Ignoring that it simply plays no role then for any
realworld system.
Good... Critics welcome to criticize because I want them to actually
test this for themselves
ralphpnj wrote:
Digital data integrity is actually quite remarkable. Back sometime in
either 2007 or 2008 I ran the following little test.
I ripped a CD I own into flac files.
I uploaded the flac files to a news server which meant having to encode
the binary data as text.
I then
Mnyb wrote:
To really bury this issue we could place the test files on our servers
and temporarily portforward LMS and let Archimago measure :D
:-)
Actually I can do this already because my dad has a Touch across town
that links to my home server. I seriously hope we don't need to do this
Julf wrote:
But you can't measure what we hear :)
I guess the only frontier remaining unmeasured is the issue of
supposedly bit-perfect, but better player software.
Hey - remember back in 2013 I had a look at good ol' JPLAY:
Julf wrote:
But you can't measure what we hear :).
You can't miss what you can't measure - Funkadelic 1973
All kidding aside, it is remarkable that we objectivitistsnow have the
onus put on us to defend our beliefs since these beliefs are not really
beliefs but actual scientific truths, you
Archimago wrote:
Yes. It's also remarkable after all these years some people still feel
that copying the digital data can deteriorate the sound quality despite
bit-perfect reproduction!
Worse when you have supposed professionals like Cookie Marenco talk
like this (see 'message #12 here'
Archimago wrote:
Worse when you have supposed professionals like Cookie Marenco talk
like this (see 'message #12 here'
(http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f13-music-downloads-and-streaming/sound-better-uncompressed-downloaded-files-6158/)).
If you can't hear the difference between an
ralphpnj wrote:
... Well recorded music is NOT the same thing as good music.
a lot of audiophile recordings are actually very sterile and un-engaging
performances. sheffield labs - i used their test cd for setup, but their
reference recordings are bla. but that's just me.
...pablo
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philippe_44 wrote:
Having said that, if they want to believe that the sun rotates around
the earth ...
In their belief system we are the flat-earthers who blindly believe
scientific dogma and don't see the reality with an open mind. Another
case of the 'Galileo Gambit'
Archimago wrote:
:-)
Actually I can do this already because my dad has a Touch across town
that links to my home server. I seriously hope we don't need to do this
kind of extreme testing to prove a point about digital data integrity
and the ability for the devices to buffer enough of the
Archimago wrote:
Hey - remember back in 2013 I had a look at good ol' JPLAY:
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2013/06/measurements-part-ii-bit-perfect.html
I believe I found a bug back then and I see those guys are still in
business. Furthermore, they're now selling a line of JCAT
Latest dose of reality testing:
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2015/02/measurements-ethernet-cables-and-audio.html
I think I've now completed the quadrilogy (tetralogy) of digital cable
testing: TosLink, coaxial, USB, now ethernet. Don't think I'll do
firewire since I don't have any devices
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