Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-02-04 Thread maxpower47
I run my touch through a pair of Dahlquist DQ-10's. Google has some good pictures (including one showing the crossover circuit diagram) if you google dahlquist dq10 and look at the image results. -- maxpower47

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-02-04 Thread Phil Leigh
maxpower47;608357 Wrote: I run my touch through a pair of Dahlquist DQ-10's. Google has some good pictures (including one showing the crossover circuit diagram) if you google dahlquist dq10 and look at the image results. Welcome. Did you have a question? -- Phil Leigh You want to see

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-02-04 Thread maxpower47
Phil Leigh;608363 Wrote: Welcome. Did you have a question? No, I was showing an example of a 5-way speaker (as per the original subject of the thread). -- maxpower47 maxpower47's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-02-04 Thread Phil Leigh
maxpower47;608369 Wrote: No, I was showing an example of a 5-way speaker (as per the original subject of the thread). ah - apologies! Interesting speaker - certainly unconventional :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-02-04 Thread iPhone
pski;605704 Wrote: I would say that accuracy is not what most people want Witness the cult of bose which are limited fidelity alternatives Bose has nothing to do with realistic or musical accuracy and everything to do with an advertising gimmick. And they are proof that with enough

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread earwaxer9
Drivers these days have wider frequency response. Especially the planar/ribbon type. Crossovers are the key. Thats where the problems are. Thats were cost cutting occurs in almost every manufacturer. I could see adding a super tweeter. Dont mess around with splitting up the mid range. --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread iPhone
pski;604562 Wrote: on 5 way speakers? p First question is WHY? That is way more cross-overs, driver enclosures, and driver blending needed to cover the Human Hearing range with today's technology. Look at the 'Vandersteen Model 7' (http://www.vandersteen.com/model7_specifications.pdf)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread darrenyeats
iPhone;605584 Wrote: And isn't that what really counts? Getting the music to the listener in as real as possible of the state of live music. That counts or accuracy counts. They're not the same thing because recordings aren't real sounds, they have their own character i.e. they are not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread Phil Leigh
darrenyeats;605632 Wrote: That counts or accuracy counts. They're not the same thing because recordings aren't real sounds, they have their own character i.e. they are not transparent to the original sounds. If you take ten good recordings and ten good playback systems I expect the SQ

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread mlsstl
Phil Leigh;605663 Wrote: Totally agree - realistic, accurate and transparent are all strawmen or canards, because recordings aren't/can't be any of those things... indeed for certain types of music/recordings these words have no meaning whatsoever... I think we should be aiming for

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread Mnyb
Phil Leigh;605663 Wrote: ... with as wide a range of material as possible. YMMV of course. Thats the clicher for me understand me rigth the electronics can be transparent at least compared to the speakers and your room :-/ Going a long way to avoid obvious artifacts is one idea I cherish.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread pski
I would say that accuracy is not what most people want Witness the cult of bose which are limited fidelity alternatives The only 5-way speakers I can attest are Reference 9 Kappa's (with the chicken switch set to fugetaboutit) I've had them for a lot of years and they've fried a number of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-26 Thread Mnyb
pski;605704 Wrote: limited fidelity alternatives You are so nice about it :) he he . A new line of newspeak for sure -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
pski;604562 Wrote: on 5 way speakers? p depends what you mean... 5 drivers in a box? or something different? personally, 3-way is at the limit of traditional crossover design for me and I think passive crossovers sound universally dreadful, sucking the life out of the music. So, you could

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
A really low freq XO is really bad done with passives components you get coils the size off footballs and it's still no good to much Z and nonlinearities in series with the speaker . You can se very large studio main moniters being 4 way (maybe more) but they ar all active and acoustically you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread darrenyeats
I agree, Phil. I've chosen a three way active plus an an active sub. So you can go more than three way but it doesn't have to be in one box. Many good subs are quite large so the separation can be useful. I've heard Meridian and they sound great. However, I don't think digital active has a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
darrenyeats;604627 Wrote: I agree, Phil. I've chosen a three way active plus an an active sub. So you can go more than three way but it doesn't have to be in one box. Many good subs are quite large so the separation can be useful. I've heard Meridian and they sound great. However, I don't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread mlsstl
The OP seems to have disappeared from the thread, but I'm curious as to why a 5-way speaker is important to him. Is there something in particular he is trying to accomplish or that has caught his imagination? Or is it just a more must be better fascination? -- mlsstl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
mlsstl;604668 Wrote: The OP seems to have disappeared from the thread, but I'm curious as to why a 5-way speaker is important to him. Is there something in particular he is trying to accomplish or that has caught his imagination? Or is it just a more must be better fascination? pski will be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
Can be interesting , multiway speaker have advantages in power-handling loudness and low distorsion at those levels .. It gets even better with steep active filters If you can get the rest to work ? PSKI's sig and other clues emphasize that he likes music at seismic levels :) -- Mnyb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread darrenyeats
Mnyb;604641 Wrote: Many people makes the flawed non-logical conclusion that digital speakers is bad because they don't like the sound of the meridian's (I don't like all their models). It's like saying all beer is bad because you only tasted one brand. Mnyb, agreed. Darren --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread darrenyeats
Mnyb;604641 Wrote: But speakers is so much room acoustics and taste so one must try them. And all speakers bring their own house sound with them ? There is no transparent speakers . Some are more transparent than others. I agree none are transparent. Whenever you play anything you get a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-22 Thread pski
on 5 way speakers? p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-22 Thread Pat Farrell
On 01/22/2011 11:05 PM, pski wrote: on 5 way speakers? Don't think about them. Making good crossovers is an art, deep voodoo. Making a two-way speaker's crossover is fairly easy. Doing it for a three way is a lot harder. Ever notice that a ton of high end speakers are only two way? As you add

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-22 Thread Wombat
If 5-way, there is no way to do it by accident. Better forget about it. I needed over 1 year to get my 3-way right and i still donĀ“t know it is maxed out. Even if they measure great. I still wonder how the Infinity engineers in the 80s were able to get their passive, big floorstanders going. Some