On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 3:28 PM, mike smith wrote:
> Do we have, or do we want to have, a general OT list? There must be some
> ppl losing patience with some of these threads.
I'd welcome an offtopic list.
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On 24 February 2010 14:28, mike smith wrote:
> Do we have, or do we want to have, a general OT list? There must be some
> ppl losing patience with some of these threads.
There is, it has stuff all subscribers and last post to it was 2007/2008 or
something. All attempts at launching an OT list
Do we have, or do we want to have, a general OT list? There must be some
ppl losing patience with some of these threads.
On 24 February 2010 15:27, mike smith wrote:
> I mean, its failures are not necessarily the fault of the nuclear plants
> themselves.
>
>
> On 24 February 2010 15:25, wr
I mean, its failures are not necessarily the fault of the nuclear plants
themselves.
On 24 February 2010 15:25, wrote:
> yep, exactly. So don't follow Spain then!
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24th, 2010 at 3:24 PM, mike smith wrote:
>
> > Spain isn't a poster child for good economy.
> >
> > On 24 Febr
yep, exactly. So don't follow Spain then!
On Wed, Feb 24th, 2010 at 3:24 PM, mike smith wrote:
> Spain isn't a poster child for good economy.
>
> On 24 February 2010 14:24, wrote:
>
> > Nuclear plant in Finland 3-5billion over budget
> > Siemens Areva Finish govt in law suit love triangle
>
Spain isn't a poster child for good economy.
On 24 February 2010 14:24, wrote:
> Nuclear plant in Finland 3-5billion over budget
> Siemens Areva Finish govt in law suit love triangle
> Areva just bought Multibird wind turbines and Ausra solar thermal
> so they're so sure of Nuclear that they're
Nuclear plant in Finland 3-5billion over budget
Siemens Areva Finish govt in law suit love triangle
Areva just bought Multibird wind turbines and Ausra solar thermal
so they're so sure of Nuclear that they're diversiftying into renewables
Spain's SENER built the successful nukes in spain -- has now
ah, so you don't believe weather forecasters can tell you when summer and
winter occur? We're
talking long term here, not what the weather is going to be like tomorrow.
On Wed, Feb 24th, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Tiang Cheng
wrote:
> When people talk about weather science (like climate change), I
> r
On 24 February 2010 12:59, Tiang Cheng wrote:
> Any scientist can claims they can forecast a change in temperature better
> have won a nobel prize for their work before I'ld believe them.
>
You actually don't need to do the actual forecast, just make a movie about
it. ;)
David.
--
David Connor
When people talk about weather science (like climate change), I remember a
famous (longwinded) quote from a Bob Ryan - a meteorologist.
In 1982 he wrote "Imagine a rotating sphere that is 12,800 kilometers in
diameter, has a bumpy surface, is surrounded by a 40-kilometer-deep mixture of
differe
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:37 AM, mike smith wrote:
> On 23 February 2010 21:29, Tony Wright wrote:
>
>> And you don’t need to go nuclear. Nuclear as it currently stands is just
>> a disgraceful option. The radioactive waste in current nuclear reactors with
>> current technology takes 10,000 ye
On 23 February 2010 21:29, Tony Wright wrote:
> My understanding is that the base load problem has been solved, it’s just
> that there’s no political will to accept it. That is, there is too much
> vested interest in the alternatives and a lot of money spent by some very
> powerful groups to pro
It's not only the IPCC that have formed these opinions.
The Australian scientists are doing their own research. The Australian
Antarctic Division are
studying Antarctic ice melts, and they have come to their own conclusions about
that topic. If the
ice melts are happening, we have a problem,
> Check out the UEA mail leaks as it does not sound like you have. It is
> really eye popping reading. Conspiracy to delete data, fudge data and
> models, ensuring the deletion of mail at Hadley and uPen on impending
> assessment report findings, constant withholding of data and source code
> preve
On 24 February 2010 08:09, wrote:
> I think you miss the point. It's not about whether or not we should have a
> debate about it.
It depends on your point of view I guess. I'd argue any day of the week that
debate is a healthy part of any democracy. If an ex-railroad engineer is
qualified to ru
I think you miss the point. It's not about whether or not we should have a
debate about it. Only the
scientifically proven facts are important, not heresay based on heresay based
on heresay. And the
skeptics can't simply pick and choose the points that they are going to argue
about without loo
That's probably why you should actually read them. You would understand then
why the separation
between sea ice and land ice was so important. And the sea ice does fluctuate
seasonally. The
difference is the as the land ice melts and loses mass (and height), it tends
to spread out. The
more l
“Nuclear as it currently stands is just a disgraceful option. The radioactive
waste in current nuclear reactors with current technology takes 10,000 years to
break down. 10,000 years ago”
Maybe the real issue is that current nuclear technology hasn’t isn’t advanced
enough yet.
If the waste is
On 23 February 2010 21:18, Ken Schaefer wrote:
I never label people as “deniers”, nor do I cut people off. If you have an
> alternate viewpoint, I’d like to see what evidence you have to support that
> viewpoint. Since you’ve put the claim out there…
>
I didn't say you did. I thought you might ha
On 23 February 2010 20:41, Tony Wright wrote:
> If anyone is interested, the Australian position statements on Antarctic
> Ice Melts are at http://www.aad.gov.au/default.asp?casid=36276. I sat
> through the entire video presentation and thought it was very credible.
>
That is the problem with a
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_ipcc_fourth_assessment_report_synthesis_report.htm
the SPM is the “Summary for Policy Makers” – a very concise summary of the
Synthesis report, or you can get the main Synthesis report.
WG1 - the scientific evidence for climate change is avai
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Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed
On 23 February 2010 19:47, Ken Schaefer
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On 23 February 2010 19:47, Ken Schaefer wrote:
> This is why we should have a tax-and-dividend policy. If you want to
> pollute, you have to pay to pollute, and everyone gets a rebate check (so,
> it’s all revenue neutral). You choose what you want to cut back on. You can
> either cut back a litt
If anyone is interested, the Australian position statements on Antarctic Ice
Melts are at http://www.aad.gov.au/default.asp?casid=36276. I sat through the
entire video presentation and thought it was very credible.
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My understanding is that the base load problem has been solved, it’s just that
there’s no political will to accept it. That is, there is too much vested
interest in the alternatives and a lot of money spent by some very powerful
groups to promote the status quo, as that’s where they make their m
Ken, can you provide web address for the synthesis report?
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Subject: RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 5:28 PM
To: ausDotNet
Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed
Hands up everyone who is worried about AGW and wan
On 23 February 2010 17:10, Stephen Liedig wrote:
> The green initiatives such as wind and solar are the *ultimate goal*, but
> unfortunately won't be ready as a replacement fossil based energy sources
> for at least another couple of decades at best. Investment sould continue in
> these areas but
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