On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:11 AM Dave Martin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 03:19:00PM +0200, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote:
> > Joshua M. Clulow via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote in
> > :
> > |On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 01:33, Michael Kerrisk man-pages via
> > |austin-group-l at The Open
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:31:58AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk man-pages via
austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
> On 8/10/20 3:58 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 04:18:10PM -0700, Larry Dwyer via austin-group-l at
> > The Open Group wrote:
> >> How about the "control"
Joshua M. Clulow via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote in
:
|On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 01:33, Michael Kerrisk man-pages via
|austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
|> On 8/9/20 1:18 AM, Larry Dwyer via Libc-alpha wrote:
|>> How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 01:33, Michael Kerrisk man-pages via
austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
> On 8/9/20 1:18 AM, Larry Dwyer via Libc-alpha wrote:
> > How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired
> > device files)?
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. As far as I'm
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 1:51 PM Thor Lancelot Simon via austin-group-l
at The Open Group wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:31:58AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> > On 8/10/20 3:58 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> > > On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 04:18:10PM -0700, Larry Dwyer via
On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 10:31:58AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 8/10/20 3:58 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 04:18:10PM -0700, Larry Dwyer via austin-group-l at
> > The Open Group wrote:
> >> How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the
On 09/08/20 00:18, Larry Dwyer via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired
device files)?
All good -- until abused partners ("coercive control") or people
imminently expected to die, and their supporters, start a clamour.
In
Hi Zack,
On 8/10/20 8:10 PM, Zack Weinberg wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 9:21 AM Joerg Schilling
> wrote:
>> Larry Dwyer via austin-group-l at The Open Group
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired
>>> device files)?
>>
>> The Solaris man pty
On 8/9/20 1:18 AM, Larry Dwyer via Libc-alpha wrote:
> How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired
> device files)?
Thanks for the suggestion. As far as I'm concerned, that would
also be an option worth considering.
Thanks,
Michael
On 8/10/20 3:58 PM, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 04:18:10PM -0700, Larry Dwyer via austin-group-l at
> The Open Group wrote:
>> How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired device
>> files)?
>
> How about the "pty side" and the "tty side"? It seems
[repairing CC]
On 8/6/20 6:53 AM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
> 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) <
> mtk.li...@gmail.com> yazdı:
>
>> On 8/5/20 7:12 PM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
>>> 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde
Larry Dwyer via austin-group-l at The Open Group
wrote:
> How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired
> device files)?
The Solaris man pty page since a really long time has this:
By default, 48 pseudo-terminal pairs are configured as follows:
How about the "control" side and the "terminal" side (of the paired
device files)?
Cheers,
Larry
On 8/5/2020 4:21 AM, Michael Kerrisk via austin-group-l at The Open
Group wrote:
Elliot Hughes and I both noticed a point from "Minutes of the 3rd August 2020
Teleconference":
[[
On Tue, Aug 4,
casper@oracle.com via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote in
<202008060810.0768ar93009...@room101.nl.oracle.com>:
|>> Personally I'm quite happy with the existing terminology, and see no
|>> particular need for change (as close to meaningless as the terms are
|>> in this context - they
>> Personally I'm quite happy with the existing terminology, and see no
>> particular need for change (as close to meaningless as the terms are
>> in this context - they are well established, anything different will
>> just create confusion).
>>
>>
>Couldn't agree more. I don't understand what
6 Ağustos 2020 Perşembe tarihinde Oğuz yazdı:
>
>
> 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) <
> mtk.li...@gmail.com> yazdı:
>
>> On 8/5/20 7:12 PM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
>> > 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The
5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) <
mtk.li...@gmail.com> yazdı:
> On 8/5/20 7:12 PM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
> > 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The
> Open
> > Group yazdı:
> >
> >> Date:Wed, 05
On 8/5/20 7:12 PM, Oğuz via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
> 5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The Open
> Group yazdı:
>
>> Date:Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:28:45 -0400
>> From:"Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group" <
>>
[again restoring the CC]
On 8/5/20 5:28 PM, Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote:
> On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 08:00 -0700, Donn Terry via austin-group-l at The
> Open Group wrote:
>> The suggestions here so far are cumbersome and tend to be ambiguous.
>> The old m-word and sl-word,
[Restoring the CC, which seems to have got lost along the way; it's best if
we keep it, since some people who are involved on the Linux/Glibc side may
not be on the Austin list.]
Hello Geoff and Steffen,
Thanks for your feedback.
On 8/5/20 4:20 PM, Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 23:38 +0700, Robert Elz wrote:
> | do you consider the pseudoterminal as providing to the terminal, or the
> | terminal as providing to the pseudoterminal.
>
> How did anyone ever get to a question like that?
In the part of my message you elided I was arguing that using the
5 Ağustos 2020 Çarşamba tarihinde Robert Elz via austin-group-l at The Open
Group yazdı:
> Date:Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:28:45 -0400
> From:"Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group" <
> austin-group-l@opengroup.org>
> Message-ID:
Date:Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:28:45 -0400
From:"Paul Smith via austin-group-l at The Open Group"
Message-ID: <1d8c5e6e96fbdd47ce143a566b57db2c803d4898.ca...@gnu.org>
| do you consider the pseudoterminal as providing to the terminal, or the
| terminal as providing to
shwaresyst wrote, on 05 Aug 2020:
>
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 Geoff Clare via austin-group-l at The Open Group
> wrote:
>
>> My own thoughts up to now had been that, since the slave side is the
>> side that is intended to be used as a terminal in the normal way, the
>> slave should be
On Wed, 2020-08-05 at 08:00 -0700, Donn Terry via austin-group-l at The
Open Group wrote:
> The suggestions here so far are cumbersome and tend to be ambiguous.
> The old m-word and sl-word, and also "client" and "server" could
> potentially be interpreted backwards from the conventional intent.
The slave side is ancillary to the master, sorry, as physical terminals are
ancillary to the processor hardware, imo. Inverting the relationship makes it
look like it is the intent of the slave side to source the majority of the
data, when more often it is only monitoring output data sourced
The suggestions here so far are cumbersome and tend to be ambiguous. The
old m-word and sl-word, and also "client" and "server" could potentially be
interpreted backwards from the conventional intent. (You can think about it
as the sl-word/client actually being in control: telling the
Steffen Nurpmeso wrote, on 05 Aug 2020:
>
> Michael Kerrisk via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote in
> :
> |Elliot Hughes and I both noticed a point from "Minutes of the 3rd August \
> |2020
> |Teleconference":
> ..
> |On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:52 PM Andrew Josey wrote:
> ...
> |> *
Michael Kerrisk via austin-group-l at The Open Group wrote in
:
|Elliot Hughes and I both noticed a point from "Minutes of the 3rd August \
|2020
|Teleconference":
..
|On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:52 PM Andrew Josey wrote:
...
|> * General news
|>
|> We discussed terminology usage, in
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